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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:34 PM
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Repug lite?


Hillary joined other Senate Democrats to speak on the Senate floor about problems with voting in the 2004 election, and why we must act to make sure that every American is able to vote, and every vote is counted. This was an important debate on an issue critical to the strength of our democracy, and one that Hillary will continue to work on.





Republican Lite?

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_n9_v52/ai_19566001

IN the most extensive African trip ever undertaken by a U.S. first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton visited six African countries and praised the largely untold story of the continent's social, economic and political progress. Donning African gowns and participating in African dances and ceremonies, the first lady, accompanied by daughter Chelsea, was greeted with the enthusiasm usually reserved for heads of state and movie stars.

Among the highlights of the trip were a visit with President Nelson Mandela to Robben Island, a tour of Soweto, and major speeches in South Africa and Uganda. She also visited Zimbabwe, Tanzania and Africa's newest country, Eritrea. Her first stop in Senegal was at Goree Island, where she peered through "The Door of No Return," through which slaves passed on their way to the dreaded Middle Passage of the Slave Trade. When she arrived in Dakar, Senegal, the first lady was greeted by Senegalese who danced and serenaded her with lyrics written especially for the occasion.

In South Africa, Clinton joined former Archbishop Desmond Tutu, chairman of South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, in planting a tree in remembrance of the victims of apartheid crimes. "What you are doing here in South Africa," she said, "is a testament to what can occur when rage and anger are turned to hope and possibility." She added that "the work of reconciliation is to acknowledge history, not to forget it, no matter how tragic, and to pass that history on to our children because only that has the power to arm them and all humanity."



First Lady Hillary Clinton was presented with the Mother Teresa Award from the socialist government of Albania on June 22, a story ignored by the American press.

Albanian First Lady Lidra Meidani presented the award to Mrs. Clinton in Skopje, Macedonia, at an event set up so that Mrs. Clinton could announce that more U.S. tax dollars would be sent to local residents and refugees.

The text of the award, Albania's highest civilian honor, says Mrs. Clinton "has mobilized with her personal example the solidarity of millions of people throughout the world with the Albanians expelled from Kosovo, in the spirit of the victory of mankind over inhuman action."


http://clinton.senate.gov/issues_health.html

Affordable, Quality Health Care

Children without any health insurance are twice as likely to be hospitalized for illnesses such as asthma and ear infections. And Americans without health insurance are four times more likely to seek care in emergency rooms. Senator Clinton has introduced legislation to expand coverage to more children and supported measures to improve the quality of existing coverage, including coverage for aging Americans and patients in managed care. She believes that access to quality health care should not be a luxury. It should be part of the basic bargain for America's working families.




http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_199907/ai_n8867218

Imagine a country in which nearly all children between the ages of three and five attend preschool in sparkling classrooms, with teachers recruited and trained as child care professionals. Imagine a country that conceives of child care as a program to 'welcome' children into the larger community and 'awaken' their potential for learning and growing.
-It Takes a Village





But, but, what about the insurgents?!! Make sure every child is wanted? Hillary you freeper, how dare you!


http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050220/ap/d88ce65gd.html

As 55 people died in Iraq on Saturday, the holiest day on the Shiite Muslim religious calendar, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said that much of Iraq was "functioning quite well" and that the rash of suicide attacks was a sign that the insurgency was failing.

Clinton, a New York Democrat, said insurgents intent on destabilizing the country had failed to disrupt Iraq's landmark Jan. 30 elections.

"The concerted effort to disrupt the elections was an abject failure. Not one polling place was shut down or overrun," Clinton told reporters inside the U.S.-protected Green Zone, a sprawling complex of sandbagged buildings surrounded by blast walls and tanks. The zone is home to the Iraqi government and the U.S. Embassy.




http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1309118.html

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, a longtime supporter of abortion rights, said on Monday that "people of good faith" can "find common ground" in the abortion debate, the New York Times reported.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton told a group of abortion-rights supporters near Albany on Monday, "We should be able to agree that we want every child born in this country to be wanted, cherished and loved."

She indicated that both sides should be able to agree on preventing unwanted pregnancies, and she also called abortion "a sad, even tragic choice" for many women.



http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/dara/question_of_hillary_020305.htm

Perhaps most frustrating is the conservative line that Clinton’s speeches, whether on abortion or other topics such as her religious faith, are a change from her previously articulated positions. The head of the New York State Conservative Party was quoted in the New York Times saying, “All of a sudden she is saying she has these deep convictions. I don't believe that.” Yet Hillary Clinton has always said that she was brought up in a deeply religious household, and in fact holds the political convictions she does through her faith.

The child of a strong Republican father, her political beliefs shifted to the left after her youth pastor, with whom she is still in contact, took her to see Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. speak, which started her on her odyssey into the Democratic party. And plenty of smaller signs of a deep religious faith have surfaced through the years—one of the parts of Richard Clarke’s book “Against All Enemies” that I remember most was an anecdote about his being at a meeting President Clinton held with surviving family members of TWA 800 shortly after the plane crashed. After listening to emotional interactions between the President and family members, Clarke stepped into a side room that had been set up as a chapel to regain his composure and found Hillary Clinton in the room by herself, on her knees, praying.



ON THE ISSUES
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

S 3 - A bill to prohibit the procedure commonly known as partial-birth abortion. Hillary's vote: NO

HR 1308 - An act to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide tax relief for working families, and for other purposes. Hillary vote: YES

S 150 - A bill to make permanent the moratorium on taxes on Internet access and multiple and discriminatory taxes on electronic commerce imposed by the Internet Tax Freedom Act. Hillary's vote: YES

HR 2989 - S.AMDT.1904 - An amendment to HR 2989 that would deny members of Congress a cost of living adjustment in pay in 2004. Hillary vote: NO

S 1248- A bill to reauthorize the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, and for other purposes. Hillary's vote: YES

S 1637-S.AMDT.3114- To extend the Temporary Extended Unemployment Compensation Act of 2002, and for other purposes. Hillary's vote: YES

HR 6 - To enhance energy conservation and research and development, to provide for security and diversity in the energy supply for the American people, and for other purposes (bill that allows drilling in ANWR). Hillary's vote: NO

S. 14 - S.AMDT. 871 Vote to adopt the amendment to S 14 that would reduce the dependence of the United States on imported petroleum. Hillary's vote: YES

S 14 - S.AMDT. 865 Vote to adopt the amendment to S 14 that would require that the hydrogen commercialization plan of the Department of Energy include a description of activities to support certain hydrogen technology deployment goals. Hillary's vote: YES

PN 12: Alberto R. Gonzales, of Texas, to be Attorney General, vice John Ashcroft, resigned.

Vote to confirm President George W. Bush's nomination of Judge Alberto Gonzales to be the United States Attorney General. Hillary's vote: NO

SJ Res 40 - A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to marriage. Hillary's vote: NO


S 1072 - A bill to authorize funds for Federal-aid highways, highway safety programs, and transit programs, and for other purposes. Hillary's vote: YES

S Res 356 - A resolution condemning the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison, urging a full and complete investigation to ensure justice is served, and expressing support for all Americans serving nobly in Iraq. Hillary's vote: YES

S 2845 - A bill to reform the intelligence community and the intelligence and intelligence-related activities of the United States Government, and for other purposes. Hillary's vote: YES


Don't get me wrong, I disagree with some of her votes. She voted to confirm Chertoff and Condoleeza Rice and she voted against challenging Ohio's electors. She also gave Bush the authority to invade Iraq. I think what is important is that there really is no comparison between her and a republican. She will never vote to privatize SS. She will never vote against a women's right to choose. She will always have a fairly good record on the environment. You can't say these things about a republican. My point is no senator is going to have a perfect voting record. They're in a different world than we are. They're also kind of out of the reality loop...or maybe they're living in reality more than we are. Seems possible considering all they know that we don't.

I know there are people on both sides of the Hillary debate and I understand that we should pay attention to our leaders and object when they do something we disagree with, but it is insane to disown them based on a few votes or a few statements, that are often taken out of context.


I had to do this. The anti hillary posts were getting to me. Feel free to flame now. I'll survive.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:36 PM
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1. I agree.
The anti-Hillary and anti-every other democrat who isn't Dean or Boxer nonsense has got to stop, it's ripping us apart.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:55 PM
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7. There are many other votes that haven't been as wonderful.
She also voted to limit class action lawsuits and I am watching her bankruptcy vote carefully. There is also the question of perception that is tearing us apart . Hillary is kissing the ass of the Bush Admin publicly, and that goes to the heart of our credibility. She is also parsing her words , which is an insult. She is not going to get the votes of the people she is appealing to anyway and taking people such as myself for granted in a wink , wink, nudge way , (she really supports choice) Isn't helping. What she said in Iraq was a flat out untruth. We are now staging a major battle in Ramadi which the insurgents have regained. She was just repeating the Bush regime mantra. And that sickens a lot of us.As does her husband claiming Bush "deserved " to have whatever kind of Inaugural he wanted, irrelevant to cost, as he had won "fair and square". He also told Democrats who questioned the validity of this election, to "quit whining" in spite of the obvious irregularities.
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detroitguy Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:44 PM
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2. Can you say...
Big tent? :)

I am not 100% happy with all of Hillary's positions. But if the is the 2008 nomineee, I know I'll wear out shoe leather for her as I did for John Kerry. Even a bad Democrat (and Hillary is NOT a bad one) would be better than more years of neoconservative lunacy and war-mongering.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:47 PM
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3. We need to stick together.
I don't understand why people (on the left) direct their energy toward destroying Hillary Clinton.

That is something I thought only RW nutcases did.

If Hillary was out of the picture - that would free up more RW resouces to go after Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:47 PM
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4. I am disappointed with her senate voting record.
I don't think I will support her in the primaries if she runs in 2008.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:50 PM
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5. .
Edited on Wed Feb-23-05 08:53 PM by Stop_the_War
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:26 PM
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10. ....!!
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:51 PM
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6. "Fix it in time for me to win!!!!"
I'm not anti-Hillary, but I don't agree with her on a lot of things. I'm starting to think the Clintons truly have forgotten where they came from and what they used to be about.

I long for the Bill Clinton who was a closet progressive dressed in corporate-friendly economic language. When Hillary picks up on this (most likely during the primaries), I will listen intently.

But as a senator, she has left me wanting. I appreciate that she wants to serve her constituency, which may be more conservative than she is on the whole.

But I want her to define some real principles, and not after an election that might have prevented her shot in 2008.

I want principle every single day. I want it from all of our Dems. Until I see it, I'm going to bitch and moan.

I'll also be sure to say nice things when circumstances warrant it.

:)
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:16 PM
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9. You can bitch and moan.
I do it too. They do some stupid things and it makes me wonder sometimes. Maybe I am just misunderstanding what repug lite means, but I always saved the term for people like Zell Miller. I haven't really looked at liebermans record or feinstein's or evan bayh's, but I think we are using the term repug lite too loosely. We are in a terrible postition and when we have people who will vote with the democratic block most of the time, I think we should support them, because frankly...we need all the help we can get. :)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:06 PM
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8. Oh, I thought you meant Repug 'light'
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 10:03 PM
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11. I LIKE Hillary!
I've never slammed her. I just think the Repugs are pushing her as a presidential candidate because they know damn well middle America will NOT vote for her.
I agree we need to stick together. I just think this next election is SOOOO important, we can't afford to test the waters with a woman candidate (and I'm a woman!) The same way I actually like Al Sharpton, and I like Dennis Kucinich. But I'm going to back a winning horse.
I do NOT think we need to put up a Repug Lite candidate by any means. That was probably our failure with John Kerry. But I still campaigned for him, I still sent him money. Because this is a fight we cannot afford to lose again. My god--can you imagine what a different world we would have right now if Al Gore had been installed the way he should have been in 2000? It just makes me sick to think about it.
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