3-Billion Year Old Manufactured Spheroids?

[Digit]

http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!96!10!0C394463B0D1/WF11/3BillionYearOld/

At least 200 have been found, and extracted out of deep rock at the Wonderstone Silver Mine in South Africa, averaging 1-4 inches in dia. and composed of a nickel-steel alloy that doesn't occur naturally.
Some have a thin shell about a quarter inch thick, when broken open are filled with a strange spongy material that disintegrates into dust upon contact with air.

A complete mystery according to Roelf Marx curator of the South African Klerksdorp Museum, as the one he has on exibit rotates on its own, ,locked in a display case, free of outside vibrations.

The manufactured metallic spheroids have been mined out of a layer of pyrophyllite rock and geologically and by the various radio-isotope
dating techniques are shown as being 2.8 - 3 billion years old, long before man, as shown at the bottom of the graph.

[Sympleesmshn]

1. It is a true mystery

I want to know more about them!...

[ixion]

2. 15 billion years is plenty of time for other species

to have been born, rise to dominance, develop culture, language, science, peak, decline and vanish. Our civilization is only 10 thousand years old, and that's with a wide scope.


So who's to say that another species didn't go through this once, or twice or a dozen times before?

[kiki]

4. Jesus says so.

Ane we'll have no more of this "10 thousand years" talk young fella-me-lad.

[leveymg]

12. and left their Playskool toys behind.

Kinda nice of them to share with younger kids.

[Donailin]

28. I think about this all the time.

The answers are in our own back yard.

Got a shovel?

[kiki]

3. Whaaat the fuuuuuuck...

Pretty freaky if it's true.

[DrWeird]

5. Yeah, maybe save it for the 9-11 forum?

They'd probably be interested.

[leveymg]

9. Look who's talking, delta-niner.

[DrWeird]

14. delta-niner?

deniar?

[leveymg]

29. That doesn't even show up on GOOGLE, except as a misspelling

Deniar?

Whatever.

[DrWeird]

45. All right then.

Why don't you just tell me what you meant when you wrote "delta-niner."

[leveymg]

50. Look up the chemical formula for your favorite leafy substance

I'm objecting to your reference to the 9/11 forum. Okay, some of them are nutz. The topic is serious, nonetheless, as are most of the contributors.

My apologies. Let's just forget the whole thing.



;-)

[Richard Steele]

53. Well, thanks for the clarification anyway, levymg.

I didn't "get" that comment either.
Damn this useless memory of mine!

[DrWeird]

64. Alright, then you'd want to refer to it as THC.

The delta nine is a kind of suffix, doesn't really mean anything when you take it out of context like that.

As for this topic, no, it's not serious.

Might as well be a thread on Atlantis, chemtrails, and chupacabras.

[rman]

66. Why? No theory has been presented to explain this.

Certainly no conspiracy theory has been presented. It's just a mistery, you know - unexplained.
Or would you say the whole thing is made up, that it's a hoax?

[porphyrian]

6. They're Death Star toys...

...made long, long ago.

[leveymg]

7. Loved the graph with cave men. Thanks for reminding us that 2.8 billion

years ago was "long before man." That proves it. Gotta be ET model rockets - had those as a kid, too.

[Kansas Wyatt]

8. Just something the liberal media cooked up to discredit...

The scientific facts provided in the Bible, therefore it is a fraud. Move along, nothing to see here. Stop looking!

Uh-oh, we may have to bring back the witch trials.

[Minstrel Boy]

10. more, and pic:

A complete mystery according to Roelf Marx curator of the South African Klerksdorp Museum, as the one he has on exibit rotates on its own, ,locked in a display case, free of outside vibrations. The manufactured metallic spheroids have been mined out of a layer of pyrophyllite rock and geologically and by the various radio-isotope dating techniques are shown as being 2.8 - 3 billion years old, long before man.

...

While playing with the stone on a very flat surface at a restaurant one day, Hund realized it was very well balanced. He took it to the California Space Institute at the University of California to have tests done to determine just how well balanced it was. "It turned out that the balance is so fine, it exceeded the limit of their measuring technology and these are the guys who make gyrocompasses for NASA.

The stone is balanced to within one-hundred thousandths of an inch from absolute perfection," explains Hund. Nobody knows what these stones are. One NASA scientist told Hund that they do not have the technology to create anything as finely balanced as this. He said the only way that either nature or human technology could create something so finely balanced would be in zero gravity.

http://www.ufoarea.com/aas_ancient_spheroids.html

[Warpy]

20. Maybe an intergalactic "Kilroy was here"

I'd like to see these on something besides a UFO site, though.

But that's just me.

[Swamp Rat]

23. It looks like a 'holy hand-grenade' from Monty Python with the cross

yanked out. It's an "unholy hand-grenade!" :scared:

[Ediacara]

24. The Klerksdorp Museum is a fake

And there is no actual proof that the spheres are 1) natural, 2) from a silver mine, 3) move, 4) are grooved in nature, or 5) actually had tests performed on them.

[leveymg]

35. N-o-o-o-o-o!!!!! I just made a $50,000 on-line contribution to them!

The young man was s-o-o-o-o nice, and he said the work was important to the President's plans for more manned missions to the Moon, and they said I'd get to meet the Bush when he visits the museum.

You mean I don't even get a brass plaque up with my name on it?

[Padraig18]

69. The Klerksdorp Museum is quite real

http://www.places.co.za/html/klerksdorp.html

[Ediacara]

73. I realize there's an actual building in Klerksdorp ZA where these things..

..are housed. What I mean is that the "museum" is a fake museum. Like most creationist "museums," it's aparently a nothing more than a curiousity shop.

[karlrschneider]

34. This part makes no sense and is wrong anyway:

"The stone is balanced to within one-hundred thousandths of an inch from absolute perfection," explains Hund. Nobody knows what these stones are. One NASA scientist told Hund that they do not have the technology to create anything as finely balanced as this. He said the only way that either nature or human technology could create something so finely balanced would be in zero gravity."
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You can't measure "balance" in linear units, so this part is crap. IF, however what was actually -meant- was that dimensionally, it was ...well, spherical, ellipsoidal, symmetric, or some other kind of regularity, ball bearings used in for example are routinely made to closer tolerances than that.

The whole story reeks of garbage.

[whistle]

11. That is pretty amazing considering that our universe is estimated

...to be around 15 billion years of age and the solar system is around 4.5 billion years of age. That doesn't leave a whole lot of time for intelligent life to evolve from the planets (earth in our case) to a point where someone had the skill and the science to fabricate such spheres. No, it seems far more likely that these came from either another distant galaxy and where left here or deposited here by who knows what or whom. Either that, or this is a hoax.

[DrWeird]

16. Oh, I don't know.

They do talk about a notorious witch-doctor.

They're pretty authentic and everything.

[Ripley]

17. I think it's a hoax because the guy says he wrote NASA

in 2000 about the spheroids and they never got back to him.

[DrWeird]

18. Obviously that means they stumped NASA.

They must be on to something.

[Ripley]

19. Or NASA is really run by Fundies who believe in the anthropic principle

and they don't want anything to do with this Real discovery.

[whistle]

26. This is far more likely, why would they suggest a manned...

...mission to Mars by 2018

[Ripley]

30. My father is retired from NASA.

While there are some pockets of good people trying to do great stuff..it is a huge clusterfuck of redtape and apathy. He wasn't the least bit surprised about the shuttle disaster. I can't believe they're even planning to launch again in a month or so. Those things are old and way past their intended lifespan.

I was being sarcastic about them in that other post. :hi:

[whistle]

43. Understood....

[byronius]

27. right out of the old movie

"six million years to earth". Without the bad aliens. Life on Mars, Civil War in the United States -- isn't there a big asteroid due soon?

P.s.: Greetings to the Magnificent Democratic Underground. This is my first post.

[Ripley]

33. Welcome to DU~

:toast:

I think the spheroids are a sign Atlantis really existed. :D

[whistle]

38. Ahaaa, welcome Byronius, gee, even your handle suggests...

...that you might have some type of connection to these mysterious spheroids. Just how long have you been on this planet?

[byronius]

65. long enough to know there's some weird things going on

all around us. Thank you for your greeting. I was dismayed but intellectually accepting of the spheroid debunking. However -- the methane signatures from Mars -- !!

I've been on this planet for 44 years in this form, but my component particles are vastly older, I am led to understand. Children of the Sun, and all that.

Are you a Red or a Green? (Marswise, I mean.)

:tinfoilhat:

[whistle]

42. Here is a post from another blog site as to what the spheroids...

...could be:

<snip>

Thats pretty awesome....

I have three theories, though fictious (fake), i dont even think factious is even a word.

1. Aliens
2. Advance Race before humans
3. Remains of a time machine, when some time traveller crash landed 2.5 billion b.c., and was strainded there or he could of somehow manage to get himself back into the future...


lol i dont care, but i think its pretty awesome.....weried indeed, isnt that like during the pre-cambriean(spelling) era?


Hmm balanced, scarced geometry, or ancient knowledge, lol well ancient ancient or future knowledge?

<link> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread119661/pg1

[Ironpost]

13. Here in northeast Oklahoma we a clay sand pit

where we get class A select fill dirt, It has sandstones in it and some of them are shaped like an egg, from fist size to two to three feet in diameter. When we break them they are hollow and filled with real fine sand. From a quarter to a half of an inch surronding the cavity, depending on the size of the rock, It looks like glass, maybe mixed with iron. I'm sure that the air and sand inside these rocks could be studied for the earth conditions when they were formed.

[karlrschneider]

36. Sounds like you're up around Miami?...Picher? On Ft. Gibson lake here

;-)

[Ironpost]

48. Mayes county here, Hello neighbor.

[signmike]

40. They "could be studied", but instead the Okies are busting them open

to play with the sand inside?

Reminds me of a story I heard years ago that the Russians had discovered a complete wooly mammoth buried in ice, and instead of taking it to a museum to have it studied - they ate it.

haha. Urban Legends. What was that about a "rusty nail"?

I was in the Navy stationed down south, and met several fellas who claimed to have worked in the coal mines around Appalachia. They all claimed that all sorts of mysterious stuff comes up with the coal -- like "rusty nails". But being deep in Bible Country, that stuff is hustled away quietly. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Democrat Dragon]

15. Intresting, reminds me about the old rusty nail.

Bad joke:perhaps they were manufactured by Cheney's ancsestors!

[Disturbed]

25. God left them to mess with human being's minds.

He left to go to another universe and hasn't been back since he talked with Moses. He knew that humans would either self distruct or evolve to venture out into space. Will humans survive to do so?

[paineinthearse]

21. I want a second opinion by the "intelligent design" people. nt

[Ediacara]

22. There is a thread all about these silly things and some other fake stuff

Here is what I have written about these:

Grooved Spheres

From a website with an interview of Forbidden Archaeology's author, Michael Cremo, he says:

These are round metallic objects that have been over the past couple of decades by miners in South Africa. The objects come from a mine near a place called Ottosdalin, in the West Transvaal region. The objects are one or two inches in diameter. The ones we had analyzed by metallurgists turned out to be made of an iron ore called hematite. The most interesting feature of the objects is the parallel grooves that go around the center of each one. Some have four grooves, some three, some two, some only one. The metallurgists who examined them said they were not produced naturally. Therefore, the objects must have been manufactured by someone with humanlike intelligence. Yet they are found solidly embedded in mineral deposits over 2 billion years old.

I've found these. Lots of them. Hematite nodules are not unusual, or rare, or man-made. Had Cremo actually presented them to a geologists, rather than a metallurgist, he would know that. Since there is little (or no) information on the geological setting the grooved stones were discovered, nor is it certain they were discovered in rocks of Precambrian age, nor is it certain that they can even be studied by outside researchers, no further comment can be made.

In any case, as a simple thought exercise, I'd suggest that you try to imagine a hematite sphere being preserved intact during metamorphism. You can't because it wouldn't happen.

I am offering this hypothesis: The spheres are nodules of hematite, formed during retrograde metamorphism of southern Africa during the breakup of Rodinia. The grooves could be stress markers indicating a regional stress field, but since there is no data concerning in situ stones, this is unknowable.

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The simple fact is that these stones are locked away in a fake museum, and were collected without locality data. There is no verifiable publication describing their motion, form, composition: nothing. I actually think they're fakes, but the explanation I described above is an hypothesis based on geological realities.

[DistressedAmerican]

41. Being an archaeologist by trade I am highly skeptical of the dating

etc. of these objects. Then again, I may be too influenced by currently accepted sceintific models. Many a certain scientist has been dead wrong. however, I do not believe that aliens bulilt a simgle pyramid or visited the planet in the span of human kind.

[Ediacara]

44. The claim is that they're from Archaean metamorphics

I think that the guy made them. If they're hematite nodules that predate the metamorphic complex they supposedly come from, they would have to survive emplacement in the protolith, blueschist metamorphism, and, and retrometamorphism intact as hematite nodules. IF they're actually found in situ, they're probably a product of retrodeformation because not even diamonds could survive intact through that kind of metamorphic regime.

But like I said, I think they're metal balls with ridges carved into them.

[Gasping4Truth]

59. Hematite concretions are well known indeed

They are found in Utah.
Last year, one of NASA's rovers found them on Mars.

Check out:
http://www.utah.edu/unews/releases/04/jun/marsmarbles.html

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

31. News Flash: DU Forums, having solved all other problems...

... now focus on stories from some WebTV subscriber whose username is "@HH!96!10!0C394463B0D1" with corroboration from www.ufoarea.com.

Erik von Daniken unavailable for comment.

See also Jimison, S. (1982) "Scientists baffled by space spheres." Weekly World News, July 27, 1996.
Additional commentary by Batboy



:eyes:

[Donailin]

32. Digit, where and when did you come across this site? n/t

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

37. H.P. Lovecraft's "Colour Out of Space" short story

Hmmmm...this "news story" sounds mighty familar to a 1920s pulp science fiction story by H.P. Lovecraft. Watch out! Cthulhu couldn't be too far away!

Are there pictures of these "spheroids"? Any independent authentication?

JB

[SheepBootHero]

39. rotates on its own, locked in a display case, free of outside vibrations.

Bull Crap. If this thing does exists and even rotates it sure is not rotating on "its own". Science would be all over this making free energy if it were true.

webtv.net is suspect enough to change the channel.

[Occulus]

57. Those crystal skulls drip.

http://www.crystalinks.com/crystalskulls.html

from the link:

"In 1970, art conservator and restorer Frank Dorland was given permission by the Mitchell-Hedges estate to submit the quartz skull to tests conducted at the Hewlett-Packard Laboratories at Santa Clara, California.

From these tests, and from careful studies done by Dorland himself, the skull revealed a whole array of anomalies. When submersed in a benzyl alcohol bath, with a beam of light passing through, it was noted that both the skull and jaw piece had come from the same quartz block. What was astounding to the testers, however, is they found that the skull and jaw had been carved with total disregard to the natural crystal axis in the quartz.

In modern crystallography, the first procedure is always to determine the axis, to prevent fracturing and breakage during the subsequent shaping process. Yet, the skull's maker appears to have employed methods by which such concerns were not necessary.

The unknown artist also used no metal tools. Dorland was unable to find signs of any tell-tale scratch marks on the crystal, under high-powered microscopic analysis. Indeed, most metals would have been ineffectual, for the crystal has a specific gravity of 2.65, and a Mohs hardness factor of 7. In other words, even a modern penknife cannot make a mark on it."

Some things are beyond our knowledge or our understanding. The properties of these skulls are amazing- and they're truly beautiful works of art besides.

[Hugin]

58. Thanks for the link...

Here's the pic I find the strangest.



No explanation for that one.

On the crystal skulls...

Here's where I have a problem with the write-up.

"From these tests, and from careful studies done by Dorland himself"
What were the results from the HP study? Which "studies" were
done by Dorland?

Dorland or the author of this piece is using HP's reputation only
to add credibility to their own assertions.

About this...
"In other words, even a modern penknife cannot make a mark on it."
Modern pen knives are pretty soft... They aren't made for carving.
They are made to cut softer materials.

My guess is the skulls were ground using an abrading powder of
hard quartz sand.

Still, quite the achievement.

[Pobeka]

46. I'm pretty sure these must be the "Orbs of Oscar" -- be verrry careful!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=642649#646471

[jdj]

47. its a ladybug.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

49. What an excellent source! Does he have any info on the Fiji Mermaid?

I know if I made such an earthshattering discovery I would be cracking them open at the local Denny's.

[troubleinwinter]

51. Other good stories from the source of this information:

Jimison wrote about these in 1982 in Weekly World News, which ran articles such as:

-Doctors Bring Cadavers Back to Life (p. 13.)

-The Earth's only Low-Gravity Zone! Massive rocks float 40 feet above ground, say scientists -- datelined Chengdu, China. (p. 15.)

-Dead Wife Orders Hubby Around - from beyond the grave! Her constant reminders show up on his TV screen! (p. 21).

-Satan Escapes from Hell, 13 Alaskan oil rig workers killed when the Devil roars out of control

Paul Heinrich states that they are likely naturally occurring goethite limonites, their "spherical shape inherited from the pyrite nodules which have been converted to goethite".

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom/spheres.html

I have a specimen of goethite... it is fascinationg... a perfect cube. It looks man-made, but it is a natural occurrence. Metallic spherical 'rocks', or limonites are common.

Or they could be Satan's own Ben Wa balls.

[Hugin]

55. "Satan's own Ben Wa balls."

Hahaha! :)

You beat me to posting about crystalline arrangement.

Darn it!

Thanks for the link though.

[Bridget Burke]

52. Put them all together & you have an Orb!

Looks like a job for Brisco County, Jr.

[Hugin]

54. Assuming the spheres are real...

... Which to me is a big "if" ...

Anyone who's really interested in their origins would
first look at their crystalline structure.

I've seen some pretty strange shapes over the years
and it's all due to a phase of their crystalline matrix.

Bismuth is a perfect example.



I've seen pieces of it which are shaped as perfect
little pyramids. Mind you the perfection of their
construction had nothing to do with man. It was
due to the fact the atoms in the mineral lined
themselves up producing a macro reflection of their
underlying order.

So, nature just *might* be able to form a perfect
sphere based on the structure of the mineral they're
made of.

[Jose Diablo]

56. Never mind

The spheres occure naturally, there is no proof of anything about these spheres would indicate they are 'manufactured'.

[SpiralHawk]

60. Aha - they have found the legendary "Jeff Gannon Cannon Balls"

I have read about them in dusty metaphysical texts. They are an ancient Republican Sex Toy.

I feel they should be donated to the Bush Memorial Federal Republican Prison.

[datasuspect]

61. i TRUST news sources with webtv.net addresses

***powered by notepad***

this story is bullshit right off the top.

[Gold Metal Flake]

62. Ingredients

1 Deathstar model:


1 camera with vaseline on lens
1 defocused photo:

1 pound of bullshit

Makes for one fun DU post, serves thousands.

[rasputin1952]

63. I recall years ago, of a find in a geode...It takes thousands of years

for geodes to form, and yet this particular one had a spark plug embedded in it.

They cut the thing in half, and sure enough, there was a sparkplug instead of the usual crystals. I have no idea what happened to the thing, whether it was debunked, or found to be a true mystery....but I always thought that the idea of internal combustion engines either from this world or another, recently or in the deep past, would be a foolish thing to produce when other technology was available.

The notion of aliens stopping here for a tune up is a bit over the top for me...:crazy:

[Hugin]

67. I can see the WWN headline now...

EARTH an ALIEN REST AREA!?!?!?!!? (Two miles ahead, no facilities.)

[WoodrowFan]

68. it was debunked

I don't remember the exact terms (Im not a geologist) but basically it was a natural formation that only takes a few years to form. Basically it was a lump of roadside gravel. I've seen it used on websites to prove everything from creationism to time travel though.

[Ediacara]

74. It is without a doubt, a sparkplug encased in mud

It's not a geode at all, but a Champion Brand Spark Plug. Look up on google, "coso artifact" and "spark plug" and "skeptic" and you'll get about 30 sites recounting the story.

[Roland99]

70. A WEBTV site?? Give me a BREAK!

Show me some NASA reports on this on NASA servers.

[DrGonzoLives]

71. They're data files from the Old Ones

Soon Cthulhu will rise and devour us.

[maxsolomon]

72. they're OBVIOUSLY space seeds - the origin of life

these are just those that didn't sprout - the rest opened & created us.

see, it turns out it WAS intelligent design, but it was "the ancients", not yahweh. or yahweh is an alien...

just like on stargate, dude!

[Must_B_Free]

75. Notice that they can identify the nickle-steel alloy,

but not the "strange spongy material that disintegrates into dust upon contact with air"...

And steel itself is an alloy, so that's a strang way to describe it.

If there's at least 200 found, send a few to media outlets and we'll have a good look see...