Graphic of 9-11 flight paths and military bases

[RainDog]

here-

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/911-flightpaths-bases.htm

in an area of the country with some of the heaviest population of military bases, why couldn't any planes be deployed between the first attack on the WTC and the Pentagon crash?

Has anyone ever given a reasonable explanation for this?

[Sliverofhope]

1. Best I've heard yet is

"because." Or that there were only 3 bases in the country that were active at the time.

[Rick Myers]

21. Many of the 'bases' on that 'map' are reserve bases

Some are transport hubs, some have no aircraft at all. That is really proof of nothing, unless you are suggesting the AF Reserve try to take down airliners with C-130s...

There's alot of evidence of malfeasance, but that map is NOT evidence of anything...

[Robb]

29. Hehe...

unless you are suggesting the AF Reserve try to take down airliners with C-130s...

You know, some people are suggesting just that...!

:)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

30. How about this list of active bases on 9/11/2001?...

...as you read this list, keep in mind that only four planes were dispatched to intercept the airliners, and they were given orders well after (20-30 minutes) the FAA had informed NORAD that hijackings were taking place. Two planes flew from both Otis ANGB near Boston, MA, and Langley AFB near Hampton, VA.

While compiling this list about a year ago, the question that came immediately to mind centered on the selection of airbases from which to dispatch the interceptors. Why weren't they flown from bases much closer to the flight paths of the airliners like Andrews in Maryland, Atlantic City in New Jersey, Toledo in Ohio, or Richmond in Virginia?


LIST OF AVAILABLE FIGHTER SQUADRONS CAPABLE OF
INTERCEPTING THE FOUR AIRLINERS ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001
=====================================================

MARYLAND:

321ST USMC VMFA (F/A-18)
Andrews Air Force Base, MD

121ST Air National Guard Fighter Squadron (F-16)
Andrews Air Force Base, MD


OHIO:

112TH Air National Guard Fighter Squadron (F-16)
Toledo Express Airport, OH

162ND Air National Guard Fighter Squadron (F-16)
Springfield-Beckley Int’l Airport, OH


MASSACHUSETTS

101ST Air National Guard Fighter Squadron (F-15)
Otis ANGB, MA


NEW JERSEY

119TH Air National Guard Fighter Squadron (F-16)
Atlantic City Int’l Airport, NJ


NEW YORK

138TH Air National Guard Fighter Squadron (F-16)
Syracuse Hancock Int’l Airport, NY


VERMONT

134TH Air National Guard Fighter Squadron (F-16)
Burlington Int’l Airport, VT


VIRGINIA:

149TH Air National Guard Fighter Squadron (F-16)
Richmond Int’l Airport, VA

27TH USAF Fighter Squadron (F-15)
Langley Air Force Base, VA

71ST USAF Fighter Squadron (F-15)
Langley Air Force Base, VA

94TH USAF Fighter Squadron (F-15)
Langley Air Force Base, VA

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Additionally, the following A-10 squadrons could have been used in a last attempt to put up a wall of fire to prevent the airliners from getting to their targets:
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CONNECTICUT

118TH Air National Guard Fighter Squadron (A-10)
Bradley Int’l Airport, CT


MARYLAND:

104TH Air National Guard Fighter Squadron (A-10)
Martin State Airport, MD


MASSACHUSETTS

131ST Air National Guard Fighter Squadron (A-10)
Barnes Municipal Airport, MA


PENNSYLVANIA

103RD Air National Guard Fighter Squadron (A-10)
Willow Grove Naval Air Station, PA

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. More information, and more questions...

CJCSI 3610.01A. AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT AIRBORNE OBJECTS
<http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf>

"4. Policy.

a. Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking) of Civil and Military Aircraft. Pursuant to references a and b, the Administrator, Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), has exclusive responsibility to direct law enforcement activity related to actual or attempted aircraft piracy (hijacking) in the “special aircraft jurisdiction” of the United States. When requested by the Administrator, Department of Defense will provide assistance to these law enforcement efforts. Pursuant to reference c, the NMCC is the focal point within Department of Defense for providing assistance. In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval. DOD assistance to the FAA will be provided in accordance with reference d. Additional guidance is provided in Enclosure A."

There was a 20-25 minute delay from the time the FAA knew that the first two flights (AAL11 and UAL175) had been hijacked until NORAD was notified at about 8:35-8:40 am EST. Only four jets were ordered to intercept the airliners...two from Otis ANG in Falmouth, MA (approximately 120 miles east of New York City), and two from Langley AFB near Hampton, VA (approximately 120 miles south of Washington, D. C.).

The two interceptors from Otis ANG took off at 8:52-8:56 am EST...much too late to do anything about AAL11 which struck the North Tower at 8:45 am EST, and UAL175 which struck the South Tower at 9:03 am EST.

As to Flight 77, NORAD was not notified of the hijacking of that plane until 9:25 am EST...roughly 25-30 minutes after it had stopped responding to ATC personnel. The two interceptors from Langley AFB were not dispatched until 9:30 am EST, seven minutes before AAL77 crashed into the Pentagon.

Why were planes from those two bases chosen when there were several other ANG and AFB bases much closer to intercept points along the paths of the hijacked planes?

Here are the USAF bases in addition to Langley AFB that I found on some USAF websites.

Andrews AFB - 11 miles SE of DC.
Bolling AFB - 3 miles south of US CAPITOL.
Dover AFB - 3 miles southeast of Dover, Delaware
Hanscom AFB - 17 miles northwest of Boston
McGuire AFB - 18 miles southeast of Trenton,NJ

These are the major, active AIR FORCE facilities that could have launched intercepters. All of them, if ordered in a timely fashion, could have intercepted and prevented the collisions with the WTC and the Pentagon.

And then there are the AIR NATIONAL GUARD and AIR FORCE RESERVE BASES as follows:

Atlantic City Airport, NJ - 10 miles west of Atlantic City
Barnes Municipal Airport, MA - 3 miles northwest of Westfield
Bradley International Airport, Conn - Windsor Locks
Byrd Field, VA - 4 miles southeast of Richmond
Eastern WV Regional Airport - 4 miles south of Martinsburg
Frances S. Gabreski Airport, NY - Westhampton Beach
Greater Pittsburgh Int'l Airport, PA - 15 miles nw of Pitts.
Harrisburg Int'l Airport, PA - 10 miles east of Harrisburg
Martin State Airport, MD - 8 miles east of Baltimore
New Castle County Airport, DE - 5 miles south of Wilmington
Pease ANGS, NH - Portsmouth
Quonset State Airport, RI - Providence
Rickenbacker ANGB, OH
Stewart International Airport, NY
Westover ARB, MA - 5 miles northeast of Chicopee
Willow Grove Naval Air Station, PA - 14 miles north of Phila.
Yeager Airport, WVA - 4 miles northeast of Charleston
Youngstown-Warren Reg. Airport ARS, OH - 16 miles north of Youngstown

Here's an article from the Boston Globe a few days after the attack which asked a lot of serious questions:

<http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/bg915.htm>

[ProudGerman]

2. Dereliction of Duty

The order was never given. There were probably several officers down the chain of command waiting with baited breath for the order to come, but it never did.

Somewhere on the net, there is a flash animation song that starts Muhammed Ata is buddy buddy with George Tenet is buddy buddy with Muhammed Ata. Towards the end of that animation, they show the picture and name the general who failed to give that order while pointing out that he was duty bound to give that order.

[hedgetrimmer]

6. buddy buddy

you will find said animation at below site

http://www.bushflash.com/ .... the main site


http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html .... the actual videoanimation..

[ProudGerman]

9. Thanks

I knew a fellow DUer would pony up the sites for the animation.

Gonna save that link this time, heh.

[Nederland]

37. The animation is wrong

The flash animation impies that the 34 minutedelay occrred because the military delayed issuing orders. In reality the 34 minute delay occurred with the FAA. It took the FAA 34 minutes after the unscheduled course change to notify NORAD.

[AmeriCanadian]

28. Oh please

How silly. No sane person knew of the attacks beforehand that morning

[MoonRiver]

3. Yeah, BFEE had that tasty Afgan oil pipeline to consider.

n/t

[ixion]

4. The order was given for the Air Force to stand down

under the guise of a terrorist attack 'simulation'.

[RainDog]

5. huh?

you mean the Pentagon drill...wasn't that before 9-11?

and why did the secret service keep Bush in that classroom for twenty minutes while Cheney was rushed to his bunker, or where-ever...yeah, I know he's the real president, but why did bush endanger those children...and why didn't he do his duty as Commander- in -Chief?

why won't the Bush administration answer the questions of 9-11 widows like Kristen Breitweiser, who asks these same questions?

[Minstrel Boy]

11. Not the Pentagon drill,

but there was, they say now, a simulation running that very morning to deal with planes crashing into buildings. This was revealed last September. It was run by John Fulton and the CIA.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm

[RainDog]

19. In Chantilly, VA, it seems?

thanks for the link. there is so much info and misinfo that it's hard to keep track.

this Fulton guys sounds interesting, huh?

About John Fulton

John Fulton’s 25 years in the intelligence community has contributed to his recognition as an expert in risk & threat response analysis, scenario gaming, and strategic planning. He is on staff for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), currently serving as Chief of the Strategic War Gaming Division of the National Reconnaissance Office, and as a member of U.S. Joint Forces Command's Project Alpha - a prestigious "think tank" for advanced concepts related to such issues as homeland security. He formerly served as the mission director for our nation's satellite imagery program as well as replacing Army Astronaut Same Gemar as the Director of the National Security Space Master Plan for the U.S. Department of Defense and Intelligence Space Communities under the auspices of the Deputy UnderSecretary of Defense (Space).

His counter-terrorism and homeland security responsibilities include advising the Director Central Intelligence Staff for Homeland Security, the U.S. Marshall's Office, and collaboration with the National Security Council.

In the private sector Fulton has developed a number of patents related to positioning, "smart GPS " applications, communications, and audio/video technology. He oversees the development of public & personal safety applications of these capabilities through SafeSTAR projects, and contributes to the strategic planning and conceptual design of the SafeSTAR Homeland Security Command Center.

[JHB]

26. But Condi said...

...nobody thought that hijackers might fly planes into buildings <gasp>.

[Lostnote03]

13. RainDog....

....as I recall the timeline, the Nat'l Recon. Agency ( Satellite communications ) was the one having the drill on 911....I keep hoping for a janitor with a latern to bust the 911 investigation wide open ala:Watergate Hotel....Best Wishes

[RainDog]

22. I get this creepy feeling

when I read that Fulton had some "company" called Homeland Security...and knowing that it seems that on, what? Sept 10? Ashcroft had his Patriotic Act ready to roll over our rights?

and as has been noted repeatedly in books dealing with Iran-Contra, Iraqgate, and numerous other misadventures by the Bush crew, CIA has tons of employees who have their own "companies" which are used for illegal activities to bypass Congress.

...this is illegal, of course, but par for the Bush course.

[Lone_Voice]

7. I don't know about the other states, but

...none of the bases in New Jersey have active-duty fighter planes stationed there. Most of the bases in NJ are Army, Coast Guard, or Reserve/National Guard bases.

[RainDog]

8. so the national guard uses paper airplanes to train?

so what used to be called the Militia (as in the second amendment) has no capacity to defend the country?

[Lone_Voice]

10. huh??

You cannot possibly be serious. You know the Reserves and National Guard are part-timers right? I'm sure you've seen the commercials about "one weekend a month and two weeks a year."

[RainDog]

15. I was being facetious

there are two bases that I know of which should have been able to scramble planes, or so it would seem.

[Lone_Voice]

17. sorry about that...

I am a little tired and just didn't "see" it.

There aren't any bases in NJ that can scramble fighters on such short notice. I am curious to see if there were any in NY or MA.

[RainDog]

23. actually,

I don't know how our national guard trains for anyone other than army.

...but I assume they don't use supersoakers. After Bush gets through with this country, though, they might have to.

[newyawker99]

25. Hi Lone_Voice!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[grasswire]

12. the drill

There was a National Reconnaisance Office drill that very day, simulating a plane incident. Cheney was involved in the drill, and he was in the situation room at the White House to manage things or monitor them.

This is why, apparently, the appropriate authorities did not respond properly to the hijacked planes. Think of the total confusion!

This is the only logical explanation for the "standing down" of protocol. There was a drill and people were confused.

The other explanation is too evil to imagine -- that MIHOP happened precisely around the drill, in the fog, using the drill as cover.

[maggrwaggr]

14. "too evil to imagine"

too evil for people who aren't evil to imagine.

Pretty easy for evil people to imagine.

They wanted and needed a Pearl Harbor, and what a coincidence, they got one!

[Lostnote03]

18. Howww Conveeeenient...!!!!

......The NRO drill has to be the straw on the camels back regarding LIHOP/MIHOP....Add to that the lil ole business meeting taking place between Bushs Carlisle associates on the same day not too far away.....

[Old and In the Way]

24. Did you ever wonder why that was not the "official" excuse that

day?

It was this leak from the COngressional Intelligence Committee that set Cheney off, IIRC....and he ordered lie detector tests.

For some reason, they stayed away from that whole excuse....I don't know why. There had to have been a reason why this was not floated as the reason for our military's inability to protect itself.

I believe that the NSC had recorded a cell phone intercept the day before that indicated the simulation was on and the day was tomorrow.

[RobinA]

27. Never, In a Million Years

will the official excuse ever be that the whole thing was a monumental f*ck up. Can you imagine? "While Third World fundamentalists with box cutters attacked Washington and NYC with airliners, the largest and most lethal zillion dollar military the world has ever known stood by its computers, stared at radar screems with palms slapped to foreheads, saying 'WTF?'" The powers that be would rather people think ANYTHING but this, but I think it's the dirty truth.

[WilliamPitt]

16. Andrews Air Force Base

is 12 miles from the White House. There was a squadron of F-16s there that day, and a squadron of FA-18s there that day.

None of them twitched until it was over.

[RainDog]

20. hey...off topic...

I sold one of your books the other day. :)

thanks for fighting against the propaganda.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

31. See my post entitled "How about this list of active bases on 9/11/2000?".

[amazona]

33. no explanation according to 9-11 widows

The four "Jersey girls" have demanded an explanation from NORAD about why there was no action taken. They have not received any explanation. Google "Mindy Kleinberg" for her testimony before the 9-11 commission on this issue. Or google "Gail Sheehy" and "Four 911 Moms Battle Bush" for a more recent article on the 9/11 widows' demands for an explanation of this issue. The second plane should have never hit the WTC, nor should any plane have hit the Pentagon. Only Flight 93 was stopped from reaching its destination -- it was minutes away from Three Mile Island, one possible destination which would have had severe consequences. And, honestly, we do not know if our air defense had any role in bringing down Flight 93. There is some evidence that the hijackers had a bomb on Flight 93 -- they said they did, after all -- and the passengers apparently became unruly and tried to charge the hijackers. So make of that what you will.

[donhakman]

34. the graphic is WAY OFF

For example the plane that hit the Pentagon was only 5 minutes after take off from Dulles yet the light blue line suggests the plane crossed over 3 states.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

35. No, the graphic is almost 100% correct...

...except for a 15 mile unplanned turn to the north at about 8:46 am, and a turn back to the original flight path a few moments later.

Flight 77 left Dulles at 8:20 am on the way to the West Coast. The plane wasn't hijacked until approximately 8:46 am as follows:

"(8:46 A.M.) Flight 77 from Washington goes severely off course. It heads due north for a while, then flies due south and gets back on course. It was off course by around 15 miles, and stayed off course for about five minutes. According to regulations a fighter should have scrambled to see what was going on, regardless of any excuses from the pilot"

The pilot was still at the controls at 8:50 am:

"8:50 A.M. The last radio contact with Flight 77 is made when the pilots ask for clearance to fly higher. But then they fail to respond to a routine instruction. Note that normal communications continues with Flight 77 about four minutes after the plane went significantly off course, suggesting the original pilot continued to fly the plane for at least a while after it was hijacked. Again, evidence that a hijacker was in the cockpit at the start of the hijacking?"

At 8:55 am the plane turns around somewhere over northeastern Kentucky:

"(8:55 A.M.) Flight 77 turns around over northeastern Kentucky, and heads back towards Washington. The plane has already started turning before the transponder signal is lost. This actually probably occurred about five minutes later, if one looks at the flight path and calculates the timing. "

And finally, 34 minutes AFTER flight control lost contact with Flight 77, the FAA notifies NORAD:

"9:24 A.M. The FAA notifies NORAD that Flight 77 "may" have been hijacked and appears to be headed towards Washington. <9:24, NORAD, 9/18/01, 9:24, AP, 8/19/02, 9:25, CNN, 9/17/01, 9:25, Washington Post, 9/12/01, 9:25, Guardian, 10/17/01> This notification is 34 MINUTES after flight control lost contact with the plane and well after two planes have crashed, and even then the FAA only says "may"? Is such a long delay believable, or has that information been doctored to cover the lack of any scrambling of fighters? Additionally, with the exception of Vice President Cheney and possibility a few others, no one is evacuated in Washington until after the Pentagon crash. A Pentagon spokesman says, "The Pentagon was simply not aware that this aircraft was coming our way." Even Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and his top aides in the Pentagon remain unaware of any danger up to the moment of impact 17 minutes later. Yet since at least the Flight 11 crash, "military officials in a command center on the east side of the were urgently talking to law enforcement and air traffic control officials about what to do." Is it believable that everyone in the Pentagon outside of that command center, even the Secretary of Defense, would remain uniformed?"

FLIGHT 77 TIMELINE
<http://www.unansweredquestions.net/timeline/AAflight77.html>

[Old and In the Way]

38. It's as Media_lies_daily sez, donhakman

Think about it: the Pentagon gets hit 52 minutes AFTER the 2nd plane hits the WTC....

$300BB+/year for defense and the Pentagon calls the local police department to ask for help? I mean, WTF?

Check out www.standdown.net or www.cooperativeresearch.org and check the time lines....you tell us if there wasn't some kind of slowdown/stand down happening by our US air defense that day. Either there was gross incompetence or treason....regardless, no one has been held accountable for their defense and lack of reactions.

[Narraback]

36. Interesting site...

http://www.standdown.net/

On the first page:

Snip


2) The United States Air Force (USAF) is the most technologically advanced, and the most dominate military force ever known to man. There were seven Air Stations that were armed and on full alert to protect the continental United States on Tuesday September 11, 2001. The Air National Guard exclusively performs the air sovereignty mission in the continental United States, and those units fall under the control of the 1st Air Force based at Tyndall Air Force Base (AFB) in Panama City, Florida. The Air National Guard maintains seven alert sites with 14 fully armed fighters and pilots on call around the clock. Besides Tyndall AFB, alert birds also sit armed and ready at; Homestead Air Reserve Base (ARB), Homestead, Florida; Langley AFB, Hampton, Virginia; Otis Air National Guard (ANG), Falmouth, Massachusetts; Oregon ANG, Portland, Oregon; March ARB, Riverside, CA; and Ellington ANG, Houston, Texas.
http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1299/home2.htm

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