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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:05 PM
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Do you find it unstatesmenlike for bush to refer to Putin as "Vladimer"?
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 12:29 PM by kittykitty
all the time. He doesn't use a first name for any of the other leaders.
Other leaders don't refer to each other by first name. It makes him look all the more cloddish. Statesmen should refer to each other by their titles.

(Edited to clarifiy title)
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:06 PM
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1. I personally liked "Pootie-Poot" better
but I guess after that whole Ukraine flap it doesn't work anymore.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:09 PM
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2. he's sucking up big time
he called the german prime minister Gerhard yesterday...
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:35 PM
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7. It's not sucking up, it is a feeble attempt at dominance. They are big on
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 12:36 PM by havocmom
dominance postures and techniques. Too bad he just comes off as rude, abrasive and pathetically insecure when he pulls it on the international stage. His handlers haven't figured out the rest of the world does not drink the Kool Aid and is not easily subjugated by elementary lessons from The One Minute Manager.*

*A book which is short enough that bush* may have read it 20 years ago when it was decided he had to pretend to do something useful.

edited for typo
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:14 PM
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15. Putin called him "george".... I bet that was on purpose
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:20 PM
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18. My thoughts exactly n/t
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:19 PM
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17. Yes, using first names is done when addressing an inferior
It was the same thing behind the Chirac cowboy quip. That was a stunning insult. I'm looking for a good cowboy."

Bush is asking us to imagine Chirac as a laborer on his ranch because that's how he sees him. He allegedly did this in college when anyone said anything intellectual. It's pathological and it's sickening.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:34 PM
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20. home run there. bush et al have tried to transfer business culture to govt
it doesn't work like that, for the simplest of reasons; business is about how to make profits, govt. is about how to do justice to its citizens.

the value systems that drive each particular culture are inherently different.

the swagger of bush in iraq has all the earmarks of a hostile business takeover where no rules apply. bush has treated his european opposites as minor players or friendly competitors who can not harm him.

what is equally bizarre is that bush's iraq adventure is more mercantilism instead of capitalism, and yet applying the same principle of mercantilism to china trade is not even mentioned by the busheviks.

it just goes to show that the bush administration is devoid of an internally consistent economic perspective and filled with value-less political whores who use any means available to make money.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:14 PM
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3. Did the idiot...
ever have any "statesman" -like qualities? I mean seriously, he has made the whole of our country look like fools.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:21 PM
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4. The reason he uses knicknames for people?
He has a superiority complex and he uses pet names to belittle others. NO one dares call him anything other than 'Mr. President' except his wife and kids.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:31 PM
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5. Yeah They Call Him Mr President Asshat & Mr President Sucky Dad
n/t
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:33 PM
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6. Of course. He means to put everyone in their place, friend and foe alike.
You couldn't listen to a single "friendly" exchange with Bush without that express acknowledgement of who is in charge. Bush plays the everyman, but god help you if you pretend to be his equal.

Didn't he lay into some reporter who he thought didn't preface his question with "Mr. President"?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:38 PM
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8. Yes he did. And he came off like a really bitter school marm from another
century taking a lifetime of frustration out on a powerless six-year-old.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:12 PM
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24. Recently, * called on a reporter and remarked, "Now there's a face
only a mother could love." But God forbid the insulted reporter refer to him as anything other than "Mr. President". Bush is nothing more than an adolescent bully that never grew up.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:46 PM
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10. The guy addressed him as
'Mr. Bush' and * lit into him. "Who you talkin' to?" His eyes were rolling around in his head. Saw the video, might still have it.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:54 PM
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21. His grandfather, Prescott, insisted his kids and grandchildren
call him "Senator."
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:39 PM
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9. that depends
does he use that fake Dracula movie accent when he does so??
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:49 PM
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13. it just proves that
money can by position , but it can not buy class
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:48 PM
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11. I find everything
Mr. Bush does to be 'unstatesman' like. The longer he's President the more I'm convinced the drinking water has been dosed and half the country has had some........
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:49 PM
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12. I prefer a more "formal" style. n/t
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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:13 PM
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14.  Where is the Office of Protocol? I think it is plain rude. Gloves, too
He and Laura didn't remove their gloves when shaking hands in Bratislava.
Someone posted about this already.
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Siyahamba Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:17 PM
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16. He probably can't say "Putin" without giggling
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:25 PM
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19. Not as long as Pootie-poot can call him Goober.
Unstatesmanlike sells to BillyBob and LorettaSue down at the Redneck Bar & Grill.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:59 PM
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22. I've heard him use first names with a lot of these guys...
...and I think it really sucks. Show a little respect, Mr. Prezident.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:00 PM
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23. Unstatesmanlike, what a shock...NOT.
At this point, if Shrub actually _EVER_ acted like a real POTUS for five minutes, I'd fall out of my chair from the shock!

I think this might be a clueless attempt to appear 'chummy'.
He met Mr. Putin once before, remember? Looked into his soul?

I think he's desperately trying (in his mind) to appear "presidential" by addressing a REAL president in this fashion.

Every day, in every way, he keeps on getting sadder and lamer.
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Riding this Donkey Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:15 PM
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25. I find it highly disrespectful, but I think he is trying to prove
to everyone that he can say vladimir, it's harder to pronounce that Putin!

Boy he is very talented.................

:puke:
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