LOL - Texas loons want secession from the union. I say MORE POWER TO'EM!

[UdoKier]

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=64188ADC-5D4B-417E-A31B-9BB84D2E8B43

"Republic of Texas" Again Pushes for Independence
LAST UPDATE: 2/24/2005 11:04:56 AM
Posted By: Jim Forsyth


The separatist Republic of Texas group, which largely dissolved after an abortive uprising in the Davis Mountains left several of its leaders dead or in prison in 1997, has reformed, and is again pushing its message that Texas should be a free and independent nation, 1200 WOAI news reported today.

What could be better than removing ultra-right-wing Texas and its 32 electoral votes from the national equation?

Sounds like a great idea to me!

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[Sanity Claws]

4. No

Eastern Washington wants to break out and form another state but remain part of the union.

[ET Awful]

1. Let 'em secede, that would mean that Bush, as a legal resident of said

republic, would not be eligible to be President and would be forced to leave office immediately.

[FreedomAngel82]

39. True!

These people didn't think about that. It would be nice. Then we could have John Kerry. :) Bye-bye! :eyes:

[UdoKier]

54. Bush is not a true Texan.

He would have to be deported to his state of birth, Connecticut.

[jdj]

76. all the more reason to do it?

all the bubbas be goin' ""connettercut?

why, ain't no cowboys from connettercut."

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

2. Oh, please, let them go!!!! nt

[Bridget Burke]

3. Yet another divisive thread...

Of course, there's lots of sprawl down here.

[Ganja Ninja]

5. Goodbye and good riddance Texas.

I welcome and Democrat or liberal that wants to come to America from Texas.

[tx_dem41]

12. My family and job are here....why would I want to leave?

As well as the millions of TX Democrats in the state.

Love that state-bashing though. :eyes:

[UdoKier]

23. As a native Texan - I feel entitled.

I grew up actually believing the bunk about Texas somehow being "more" or better than the other states. It took living in other countries and states to see that Texas is NOT "all that".

Besides - if Texas were to become independent - there would still be a role for progressive people there.


Besides - I'm not holding my breath for this to happen. It was meant to be a tongue-in-cheek thread.

[tx_dem41]

28. Wow, that was "tongue-in-cheek"?

Sure would hate to see a straightforward post from you. :eyes:

[UdoKier]

30. The fact that the thread starts off with "LOL" should be a CLUE!

:eyes:

[tx_dem41]

32. I've read a lot of threads...

that have been arrogant and childish and just plain ignorant that started with "LOL". Thanks for pointing out that this wasn't one of them.

[UdoKier]

33. Look, if you're pants are still in a wad about this...

Maybe you should take it up with the separatist wackos - or am I being "insensitive to Texans" by calling the wackos wackos?

[Bridget Burke]

34. Divide & conquer.

That's the strategy.

[tx_dem41]

38. Yes, it is, Bridget.

And this thread is definitely doing the former, hopefully not the latter. Its disappointing too, because I hadn't seen a state-bashing in thread in a couple of weeks actually. I thought the site might be returning to some more substantive, mature discussion and debate like it used to when I was just a lurker. Oh, well, I guess its return to the slime.

[UdoKier]

40. OMG you're right!

If we alienate the Texans, Texas just might go red in the next election! :eyes:

[tx_dem41]

44. That would be a shame to bash since we are on the cusp of a huge

demographic shift in this state. Dallas Co goes blue next cycle, Harris Co. within 3 cycles (thats 6 yrs). Other urban areas following in their footpaths. Of course, its tons o'fun to just bash 10 million or so current or future Democrats instead. LOL! ...sigh.

[UdoKier]

50. I'll believe it when I see it.

60% of Texans just voted for the WORST PRESIDENT EVER. I hope you're right that this state is eventually going to get back in touch with reality, though - my whole family lives there, BTW.

[tx_dem41]

51. Well, I live here and I'm an active Democrat...

why shouldn't you believe me!

[amber dog democrat]

80. Travis Co did not do so bad either.

Pretty much solid blue - and god bless Ronnie Earle. Lets see if this grand jury gets to Delay.

[tx_dem41]

41. Heck, I never have believed the Texas...

"bunk" if you mean all the braggadocio stuff, as you call it. Surprised you ever did.

[UdoKier]

45. I used to believe all myy relatives...

Who told me that New Yorkers were rude - New York was a hell hole, California was full of insane people (okay that's kinda true) Yankees were less than dirt. I thought the gulf coast was the best beach anywhere! (Double LOL on that!)

[amber dog democrat]

78. That is going a bit far

Granted Texas has had a political mean streak going back to before the Civil War and an economy derived from the extraction of natural resources.
Still I don't reguard chimp and his family as Texans.
They're carpetbaggers.
And scaliwags.

We do have some decent folk from down here : Molly Ivans, Lloyd Doggett and don't forget the senate opposition to the redistricting - plus 3 cheers for Ronnie Earle.
Yes its a RED state - I wonder just HOW red though. Travis County was solid Blue in the last election. We have our work cut out for us, but there is just as little enlightenment in Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Iowa, and lots of other places.

A swaggering whiney voiced moron who styles himself as a bellicose Texas war monger does not speak for the nation - or this state. Bushism is a disease and a pernicious one at that.

[UdoKier]

81. That's a fair statement.

My experience has been that most Texans are not nearly as stupid and far-out than Bush (but then again, I never lived in Vidor)

And you're right - he's not a real Texan, and certainly not a real cowboy.

So why did the bum win so resoundingly there?

[amber dog democrat]

82. He won because of

Jingoism , ignorance, ethnocentrism, cognative dissonance, fear mongering, coupled with our fameous political mean streak -
Why do we execute so many people ?

and maybe because we are so DUMBED DOWN by pervasive media that the Texas electorate is classicaly conditioned to react in certain ways to certain kinds of " abhorrant "
issues. If I were a religious person I would suggest the Chimp was put here to
chastise us. I feel like we are the Roman Empire under Tiberius.

The worst person usually gets the brass ring here. The have the least scruples and the ends justify the means. Most people can't see beyond the veneer.
Mumble a few buzz words and appeal to the worst in people and you are sure to win big.
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

[aden_nak]

6. Let Texas go.

And see how fast they bitch and moan when they don't get any of the perks of being part of the Union anymore.

[THUNDER HANDS]

7. can they take Florida with them?

it seems the most embarassing stories of American stupiditiy come out of those two states.

[Goblinmonger]

8. Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya

[tx_dem41]

9. Cool, I haven't seen a divisive, regional/state-bashing thread in

awhile. :eyes:

[Castilleja]

17. You said it...........

gets real tedious doesn't it? I know I am still super-fascinated whenever I see this subject come up. *sarcasm* Reminds me of cliques in High School....maybe Junior High. Grow up y'all.

[tx_dem41]

20. I don't think they want to grow up. n/t

[UdoKier]

29. Oh, get a sense of humor already.

Couldn't push a needle up there, it's so tight...

[tx_dem41]

31. Oh, it was humorous...

couldn't tell. Umm...could you point out the humorous part, I need a good laugh right now after wallowing thru yet another tiresome, Texas-bashing thread somewhere else on this forum.

[UdoKier]

24. It's not a bashing thread. It's a humorous story.

I love/hate my home state.

[Bridget Burke]

37. Then why didn't you post it in the Lounge?

A less kindly person might think you want to distract DU with divisive threads.

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[Zenlitened]

10. They're free to leave.

But the land belongs to America, and stays ours.

Maybe these idiots could become boat people, and sail the world looking for someplace stupid enough to take them in?

[demnan]

11. Maybe we can build a wall around Austin

and make it like Berlin with an east and west . . .

[tx_dem41]

18. Why would you want to exclude Democratic strongholds in the

Valley, El Paso, parts of SE Texas, and soon to be Dallas County? Seems damned shortsighted to me.

[sui generis]

13. wow. I live in Texas and had to hear about this on DU

I suspect that it's not terribly widespread, kind of like all Texans "loons" aren't Branch Davidians either.

Other than my biting sarcasm, though, I agree; outside of Dallas, Austin, and Houston, it's like giving a conservative third world nation 32 electoral votes, and I really do mean that from an elitist anti subcultural uneducated unwashed masses perspective.

The one saving grace of Texas: it's a big state, land is relatively cheap, there is no income tax and the metropolitan periphery is expanding as cities grow and attract blue talent from blue states. We are on the edge of flipping and we will be blue again, count on it. Those 32 electoral votes could come in handy on that day . . .

[tx_dem41]

14. You must not have lived in Texas for very long....these guys have ..

been around for years and years. Heck, about 8-10 yrs ago they holed up in W. Texas and took "hostages". It was on every TVstation and newspaper front paper in the state (as well as around the country).

[punpirate]

15. It's an indication of just how wacky...

... this bunch is. It would make Texas the newest third-world country. It would be like Iraq without the huge oil reserves....

[tanyev]

16. These guys are definitely loons.

They have filed lots of nuisance lawsuits in county and district courts. The county clerk where I used to work claimed he had received threats from the Republic of Texas, but since he later resigned with a little cloud of scandal over his own head, most people got suspicious of his allegations.

[Bridget Burke]

35. Yes, they've been around a long time.

A definite minority, they don't reflect Texans as a whole. Why, there are even secessionist groups in California.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. Well, that would be a good start. Then Alabama..then

It is to dream of a better world. "Texas, where you can look the farthest and see the least."

[fooj]

21. See ya!

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[rukkyg]

22. Losing texas

would only make our oil situation worse. I heard they have lots of cows there too, and a football team.

[UdoKier]

27. I'm pretty sure they'd still sell to us...

:eyes:

[Bridget Burke]

25. Yes, only Texas has loons.....

California could cut taxes, fully fund education and balance its budget by seceding from the United States, a newly organized group says.

The Committee to Explore California Secession, also known as Move On California, says it hopes to bring people together to consider the merits of an autonomous and independent California.

www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200501%5CNAT20050111c.html

[UdoKier]

36. Well - I'm not technically against secession of ANY state.

These guys seem like loons of the "survivalist/militia" variety, and have used terrorist tactics to try to gain secession when the vast majority off Texans would not want it.


But, really, I think that any state whose people want to leave the union, should be able to. As long as groups pursue those things peacefully and legally, what's the problem with it?

[davidinalameda]

26. I have no problem with states wanting to leave the union

with the bunch we have running the federal government right now, I think we should definately take power away from Washington

[librechik]

42. only if they take Florida with them n/t

[TheFarseer]

46. can we put it to a nationwide vote?

It would be interesting for one thing, and for another thing it has a good chance to pass

[tx_dem41]

48. Please feel free to kick 10 million Democrats out of your party..

Please feel free to kick out a state that within 15-20 years will be a huge Blue state. Please, be incredibly shortsighted (oh, and offensive).

[yellowcanine]

55. Yep - Texas eventually will be a huge blue state. Florida also.

And then it will be pubbies who will have to "shoot the table" to win.

[TheFarseer]

66. How do you figure?

TX will be blue in 20 years? Not in a million years I think. It wasn't even close last time. If you're talking about the emerging latin vote, that wasn't so overwhelmingly democrat last time and that advantage will probably only shrink now that shrub is kissing their booty.

[tx_dem41]

69. You bought into some Republican spin....

I believe John Judis or Rudy Texeirra (I forget which) cut thru those numbers and showed that we got more of the Hispanic vote this time around. You sound like you're just rolling over and not willing to fight to keep (and add to) that vote. That's political suicide.

I am going by our experience in Dallas county as an example. About 3 cycles ago, it was 60% Republican, and 6 yrs later it is about 50.8% Republican.

[Bouncy Ball]

47. I'm sure someone on this thread has already

reminded you that there are a lot of good Texas Democrats, such as myself, who would be displaced by such a thing.

Who is willing to fork up the dough to relocate us?

And for that matter, I don't want ultra right wing nutjobs taking my state away. My family has been here since 1782. It wasn't even a state then.

Screw 'em, they can't have it.

[Bridget Burke]

49. Of course it's been pointed out.

As it is every time someone posts this tired, old topic.

[UdoKier]

53. Maybe the world would be safer...

if ALL the states seceded and were independent. Isn't the whole point of the union about consolidating power in Washington and creating this massive military monster that runs roughshod over the world?

Again, not holding my breath...

[Bridget Burke]

57. Yup, you're a native Texan.

A hard-core secessionist. I've lived here most of my life, but always took that stuff with a grain of salt.

[UdoKier]

58. No, I'm just not married to the idea that the US has to be a union.

It's more about a distaste for imperialism and endless war than any sort of love for "state's rights" or secession per se.

[Roland99]

52. "abortive"? I thought they wanted abortion banned?

They could all move up to Spokane, though.

[mikeiddy]

56. Who's "they"

If its the loons - no thanks, we have more than enough in Spokane already.

[Roland99]

60. But you're in Montana? ;-)

BTW, Welcome to DU!

[leftofthedial]

59. oh please!

how can we donate to the cause?

[tx_dem41]

61. Are you talking about donating to the Democratic Party effort...

or run-of-the-mill state/region-bashing?

[Bridget Burke]

62. It was just snark from an envious Red State....

Colorado just lost one of its finest citizens & is now chiefly famous as the home of Coors Beer.

[tx_dem41]

70. More famous in my little world...

as the home of Fat Tire beer. :-)

[leftofthedial]

87. Hey! I'm a New Mexico native

I come by my Texas bashing honestly.

:peace:

[drummer55]

63. can we then invade them and take their oil? n/t

[rniel]

64. This is the greatest idea ever

Also how about instead of the united states at war in iraq let's just make texas responsible for that too.

[Bridget Burke]

67. Hey, we can't all live in Idaho!

But you're famous for potatos....

[tx_dem41]

71. Idaho...isn't everyone in that state a member of

Aryan Nation? :eyes:

[bvar22]

65. Bill Moyers, Ann Richards, ...

..Jim Hightower, Molly Ivans

I'm not willing to let these people go.
Texas must stay.

We must find a way to convert 5% of the Texas voting population.

[UdoKier]

68. You'll have to convert more like 10 or 12%

It's that red. And yes, Ivins, Hightower and Moyers are national treasures.

And Texas is abundant in natural beauty and kind, cordial people.

God only know why they are so easily conned by the repukes.

Pretty sure it has something to do with the 57 Southern Baptist churches per square mile in Texas... (maybe I exaggerate a bit?)

[Bouncy Ball]

73. Texas isn't as red as you think.

Compare it to a truly red state, like Utah or Wyoming and it looks downright purple.

Stop spreading lies.

Meanwhile, we're down here working hard to take it back. Thanks.

[UdoKier]

75. Lies? Dude, I'm from there, and I don't appreciate your tone.

And a big chunk of people who continue to call themselves democrats there are NOT democrats. They're clinging to the old-style dixiecrat appellation in the hopes that Zell will "bring the party back around".

It's a very hard row to hoe in Texas.

[Bouncy Ball]

77. Yeah, I know you're FROM here, I read it in the suburb thread

(and by the way, I can't stand burbs, I live in one myself).

That is a MISCONCEPTION, to put it more nicely, that Texas is so freaking red. Have you looked at the valley counties lately? The counties that border Louisiana and Arkansas? The urban counties in Texas?

So you love/hate it. Good for you, so do I. But I'm staying, you are in California. Good for you again.

If they aren't Democrats then they probably don't vote as Democrats, either. And by the way, I haven't found a SINGLE person who claims they are a Democrat in the style of Zell Miller.

Where are all these people? They went over to the dark side years ago. That's why Zell is such an anachronism.

[UdoKier]

79. My wife will not live in Texas.

If I were single, the lower cost of living there would have probably lured me back by now...


At any rate, I'm familiar with the Valley counties, and my hometown of El Paso is very similar - that's why I find it much more tolerable than the rest of the state. There are also significantly fewer fundies and white supremacists there.

That's fine if you disagree with my perception of the state - but that's no reason to call me a liar.

[tx_dem41]

83. Lived here for 25 years...never met one of the mythical...

Zell Miller dixiecrats either.

[Bouncy Ball]

85. Because they're all republicans now.

[tx_dem41]

86. Yep. n/t

[VelmaD]

72. Ya know...it wasn't that long ago...just last session...

that the Dems in our State House were about the only ones in the whole country showing ANY spine during the whole redistricting nonsense.

[tx_dem41]

84. Here, here Velma!

How soon our fellow DUers forget that.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

74. Most Texans want to stay in the union

With demographic changes, Texas will likely become a swing state in 8-10 years time. Who knows - maybe a blue state in the making?