WTF?? Why does the VATICAN LIE???

[kuozzman]

THOU SHALT NOT LIE!!!

These people fucking lie constantly! Just in the last couple weeks, they said he was in the hospital for 10 days with the flu, which was apparently BS.

Then within the last hour, they said the Pope was "joking with the doctors when he woke up". After you have a tracheotemy, YOU CAN'T TALK!?

[Renew Deal]

1. Maybe he turned warter to wine?

:shrug:

[RoeBear]

2. See you in Hell

Blasphemer!

maybe he was using sign language

[Kingshakabobo]

3. LOL n/t

[RoeBear]

14. Like I said sign language

[Anakin Skywalker]

18. LOL!

Good one! :)

[rzemanfl]

4. Because it has kept them in business for hundreds of years. n/t

[Bluebear]

5. He had an "elective tracheotomy" they say hahahaha

"I've been thinking about having one done and decided today was the day." Please!

[eShirl]

6. you can joke using only gestures

I've done so w/ deaf people (and me not knowing American Sign Language)

[papau]

7. true :-)

:-)

[noamnety]

8. Maybe they meant

he was lip-synching to some jokes they had previously recorded.

[RoeBear]

15. He's the Pope not

Ashley Simpson.

[drummer55]

9. since he's the infallible representative for a god

he's got a few tricks up his sleeve

[seriousstan]

17. He is not "infallible", you wouldn't look naive if you would research....

infallibility is not attributed to every doctrinal act of the pope, but only to his ex cathedra teaching; and the conditions required for ex cathedra teaching are mentioned in the Vatican decree:

The pontiff must teach in his public and official capacity as pastor and doctor of all Christians, not merely in his private capacity as a theologian, preacher ar allocutionist, nor in his capacity as a temporal prince or as a mere ordinary of the Diocese of Rome. It must be clear that he speaks as spiritual head of the Church universal.
Then it is only when, in this capacity, he teaches some doctrine of faith or morals that he is infallible (see below, IV).
Further it must be sufficiently evident that he intends to teach with all the fullness and finality of his supreme Apostolic authority, in other words that he wishes to determine some point of doctrine in an absolutely final and irrevocable way, or to define it in the technical sense (see DEFINITION). These are well-recognized formulas by means of which the defining intention may be manifested.
Finally for an ex cathedra decision it must be clear that the pope intends to bind the whole Church. To demand internal assent from all the faithful to his teaching under pain of incurring spiritual shipwreck (naufragium fidei) according to the expression used by Pius IX in defining the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin. Theoretically, this intention might be made sufficiently clear in a papal decision which is addressed only to a particular Church; but in present day conditions, when it is so easy to communicate with the most distant parts of the earth and to secure a literally universal promulgation of papal acts, the presumption is that unless the pope formally addresses the whole Church in the recognized official way, he does not intend his doctrinal teaching to be held by all the faithful as ex cathedra and infallible.


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm

[drummer55]

23. Personally I think I look funny not naive :)

seriously though I think the sheeple that follow this man (and others like him) and need another human to act as intermediary to the sacredness already insided themselves are the naive ones.

[pelagius]

26. Umm.. might want to work on the joke a bit, because it ain't...

...exactly a knee-slapper. Faulty premises lead to half-assed humor.

[pelagius]

19. Papal infallibility...

is a much-misunderstood doctrine that has nothing to do with the Pope being always right and/or having magical powers. I'm not Catholic and think the idea that any man in any context is "infallible" is, well, to be frank, wack, but the premise for your humor is mistaken.

[Padraig18]

10. You don't know that it's a lie.

He WAS hospitalized as a result of the flu, and you can joke using hands, body language, etc. .

[knitter4democracy]

11. People with trachs write everything, usually.

My husband, when he was a nurse's aid in nursing homes to put himself through college, had a patient who filled entire notebooks "talking" with him. He really felt a connection with her and cried and cried when he found out she had died suddenly.

I'm just saying, it's not hard to write jokes after something like that. Give the Pope a break.

[vas192]

20. Yep. I'm an RN in a truma unit

Pts with trachs use paper and pencil or a sign board with letters to spell out what they want to say and just this year all of our trauma beds have laptops so the pts can communicate.

[Warpy]

21. If he's sick enough to require a trach for mechanical ventilation

I doubt he's capable of writing, especially considering the severity of his Parkinson's.

I think it's probably wishful thinking on the part of people who are the most close to him in his daily life. I've certainly seen enough of that.

There are fenestrated tracheostomies whereby the person can remove the obdurator, mechanically plug the trach, and talk, but I sincerely doubt this is the case. We'd use those for patients who were being weaned off the tracheostomy.

Personally, I can think of no worse curse than being 84 and ill and having to face the best medical care in the world.

[knitter4democracy]

28. My husband would probably agree with you.

He is really puzzled on this one, being an internist and all. He can't think of any good reason to do a trach in this case unless he's on the vent. I asked him about this, and he said that it's pretty likely he's on the vent.

We should all be thinking of the Pope and praying for grace and peace.

[BrklynLiberal]

12. To keep itself in business...like every other political power

[porphyrian]

13. It's both government and religion, thus inherently corrupt. - n/t

[u4ic]

16. When he woke up?

How much anaesthesia would be used for a tracheotomy? Every time I've had surgery, or anybody I know has, they're usually dozy and out of it for a couple of hours, if not longer.

I really don't think he'll come out of that hospital alive...

[Vinca]

22. Why don't they sell the painting shown in back of the Pope all day today?

How many starving children would be fed? They've been telling tales about the Pope's health forever, but that's the least of their sins.

[Cuban_Liberal]

24. On what factual basis do you make this charge?

You DO have facts to back it up, don't you, or is this just another pro-forma, content-free bash at the Catholic Church?

[Edgewater_Joe]

25. It's Called "POLITICS"

If you think the Bush White House is a den of backstabbing and double-dealing, you ain't seen NOTHIN' like the Vatican when a Pope looks like he's about to meet his maker.

Trust me, the mechanizations have been hot and heavy probably since the Pope was shot back in1981 - and this is probably nothing more than somebody trying to maneuver himself into a better political position, or somebody doing it for somebody else.

And I'm a lifelong Catholic!

[Dorian Gray]

27. Ah

I see it more as a trying to calm the Catholic population down. I don't think he's long for the world, and it makes me sad. I guess, however, that I'm just one of those "sheeple" (from an earlier poster, not you, Egewater) that follows this Pope, though. I wish him well. And I don't think that the Vatican statements are really lies.

Though the political side of the Vatican can be full of the double dealings that Joe stated in the above post. But, they are human beings, we have to remember.

[scottty]

29. I hope that I don't get banned for this, but

what does it matter to you? Why do people have to bash something that they don't believe in? Even if they were lieing, how does that affect you or your life? Would you do the same thing if he were Muslim, probably not because it is not the PC thing to do these days. Thanks for making me feel so at home at DU.