Chew On This <- watch this video before you bash PETA or vegetarians

[Stop_the_War]

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=chew_on_this

[Stop_the_War]

1. kick

[Stop_the_War]

2. kick

[medeak]

32. It's creepy when you kick your own post... nt

[porphyrian]

3. Nice propaganda.

I'm still going to eat meat, although I'm not going to force that choice on anyone else. I wish PETA could do the same.

[drummer55]

4. education is not about forcing anything.

Our country is vastly differnt than it was many years ago.

factory farms dehumanize everybody.

I lived on a small farm and have no problems with humanely raising and killing my animals. Its the butchery and inuhumanity that slaughter houses have become that infurate me.

[Stop_the_War]

5. and slaughterhouses contribute to alot of pollution

[porphyrian]

8. I agree.

That's why I try to give my business to organic and small farms every chance I get. PETA and such groups choose to omit these options from their propaganda, which is dishonest and the reason they aren't really educating people.

[drummer55]

21. now watch this video

http://www.themeatrix.com/

[Goldmund]

6. I was just going to say...

I never bashed PETA before, but now I'm inspired to.

[porphyrian]

9. Stop the oppression of omnivores!

The thing is, I don't care if they want to believe/live this shit, I just don't want them attacking me for my choices.

[Stop_the_War]

10. I started this thread to show people why vegetarians are vegetarian...

not to make anyone become vegetarian.

[Goldmund]

11. In case I wasn't clear...

I wasn't bashing you, but the sentiment and the aesthetic of this ad.

[porphyrian]

12. Right, but you asked that we watch that video...

...and it was in-your-face propaganda against non-vegetarianism, which made me respond as I did. Surely you aren't saying that you didn't know what was on the video, are you?

[Stop_the_War]

15. Nobody is taking the meat out of your mouth....

oh god forbid that people could be educated about some things and understand why not to bash PETA and vegetarians because we should respect the lives of all living beings, including animals. i don't think this ad is forcing anyone to eat meat, but rather showing them reasons why they could. It's not in-your-face propaganda because I could barely find this video on their site, they have it buried somewhere. PETA wants more humane treatment of animals, they don't want everyone to be vegan.
:eyes:

[porphyrian]

17. Well, you're entitled to your opinion.

If I think it's obnoxious, that's mine. If you don't want to hear mine, don't read it, or don't post in the first place.

[sandnsea]

7. Hmmm

Eating meat can cause impotence

Don't eat batteries or your dog

Mad Cow! Mad Cow! Mad Cow!

We're hunter/gatherers. We're part of the food chain. PETA can't change that.

[Nimrod]

13. PETA is nuts

Other animal rights groups are completely disgusted with them. A few years back there was an interview with a British animal rights group (the name unfortunately escapes me). When asked about PETA his response was: "We spend six years getting a bill before the courts to greatly improve conditions in animal farms and laboratories, and the day before we go to court one of those idiots blows something up or throws blood on someone, and then nobody will take US seriously."

Remember the serial murderer in Canada? They're in the process of digging murdered women out of this guy's backyard while their parents are crying, and PETA starts howling about how this is exactly the same as cattle ranching.

These people are crazy and deserve no respect whatsoever. And I'm GREATLY in favor of animal rights.

[Donailin]

27. I completely switched over to whole foods

grocery store and we no longer do red meat but maybe once a month. Pasta more than anything here, but I see nothing wrong with cheese and dairy and there's no way I would consider going without fish. Jesus fished for crying out loud.
In any case, I can do without chicken, red meat and pork, but not FISH or dairy.

[Deep13]

14. Sorry, no sound card.

So, no video. Got a transcript?
:shrug:

Anyway, I never bash vegitarians. My wife is one and we never go out to eat anywhere unless there is something there for her that doesn't suck.

On the other hand, I have no respect for PETA. The "rights" of domestic animals is just a way for people to feel like they are involved and being ethical and good and everything without actually taking a difficult stand on anything. Sure is easier not to wear fur than it is to protest the war or get rid of the Escalade. Ever notice how many conservatives are into the animal rights thing (though not to the degree of supporting conservation at the ballot box). It is like a cult with them.

The one time we actually needed help on an animal problem, PETA could not be bothered. My wife has this friend who had 21 domestic rabbits in her apartment. (That's a story for another day.) Turns out the city where she lives considers them farm animals and told her to get rid of them. She moved them to our house temporarily in a different city hoping she could find homes for them. I wrote to PETA asking two things: 1. help find homes and 2. explain to that city that rabbits are not necessarily farm animals and that people out to be allowed to have them (though maybe not that many). PETA responded two weeks later with an expression of sympathy for the "poor rabbits" and suggested we find homes for them instead of bringing them to the pound. Thanks, assholes, why didn't I think of that?! I guess they are too busy shmoozing with their Hollywood friends to be bothered with actual animals.

:mad: :puke: :wtf: :grr:

[Stop_the_War]

18. WHAT?!?!

Most vegetarians are liberal. Right-wingers are more into the huntin' shoot-a-deer thing.

[Dave Reynolds]

29. Nice blanket statement.

Bullshit.

[porphyrian]

20. Something like this...

"If you aren't a vegetarian, you are a disgusting, heatless piece of shit! You can't possibly be concerned with your health, the environment, or anything remotely pure unless you agree with us completely and immediately! Any questions?"

[MrSlayer]

16. I watched it and I still think PETA are idiots.

The fact that meat is bloody is supposed to make me not eat it? I love bloody meat. They say it makes you fat but I'm not fat and I mostly eat meat. I also have no heart disease, another scare tactic used in this clip. "Because no one should have to watch their family slaughtered" Are you kidding me? It's a friggin cow, it has no idea what's going on outside of it's cud. "Because it's violence you can stop" I never considered slaughtering animals for food to be violence the way gang fighting is violence. No one is gratuitously beating up animals, you simply have to kill them to eat them. I could go on but it's ridiculous. I don't bash vegetarians, if that's what you want to eat, go to it but I will bash PETA. They're a bunch of wackos who collaborate with industrial terrorist organizations like ELF and ALF. PETA gives legitimate animal cruelty organizations a bad name.

[SOS]

19. Here we go again

PETA bash/flamewar # 127.

A handy timesaver:

Post A: PETA does good and gets results.
Post B: People Eating Tasty Animals. Yum!

Repeat 100 times.

:boring:

[Fleshdancer]

22. I see nothing wrong with PETA's purpose...

it's their marketing strategy that pisses me off. Seeing advertisements that have women posing naked or in provocative situations for the purpose of treating animals in an ethical manner angers me.

It is difficult to take an organization concerned with the treatment of animals seriously when they use destrucive advertising tactics that display young woman as sexual objects or, ironically, pieces of meat.

Anyone remember the print ad that had the actress who portrayed Lolita in the remake? She's naked while standing in a classroom writing on a chalkboard. Explain to me how naked school girls are suppose to convince me not to eat a cow?

[Dorian Gray]

23. I love animals

And I donate money to the ASPCA and other shelters to care for animals in need. Even the National Wildlife Fund. But, I don't support PETA. I'm not a vegetarian, and I have no interest in becoming one.

That's just my life. I have friends who are vegetarians, though none are vegans. I'm happy to accomodate them at meals. We respect each other's eating habits. It's life. I don't understand those who are so vigilant about their eating habits that they attack other people.

[SlackJawedYokel]

26. Heh... how are naked/semi-naked women supposed to

convince *anyone* to buy *anything*?
Such tactics are only about getting a response.
And PETA, to even get noticed, does just that... they basically live on that old adage "there is no such thing as *bad* publicity".

I think if the more rabid vegetarians/vegans activists stuck to advocating the health benefits of a low-meat balanced diet and improving the treatment of farm animals by the meat industry(I dare anyone to spend more than 60 minutes in an industrial pig farm or industrial slaughter house) they'd be more on target.

There are valid ethical reasons to not eat meat.
But like all other personal philosophies, those ethics aren't shared by everyone.

Cletus

[medeak]

31. that and tax records show they contributed to ALF

n/t

[Fleshdancer]

33. whoa...really?

I didn't know that.

[LoZoccolo]

24. So not being a vegetarian means we lie to kids?

Not a good start with me. Fuck 'em, I'm not giving this bullshit any more of my time. It's like a self-righteousness society.

Speaking of lying, I like how they try to suck you in with this or that more extreme issue which people might agree with, and don't tell you that they're completely against using animals for any reason, including saving my grandmother's life when she needed a mitral valve replacement and they used a pig valve.

[Beacho]

25. The animals can just take a *&$!^ing number

I'm sorry but with all the shit going on, we got a lot of other things to do besides pissing people off by questioning their dietary choices

[Dave Reynolds]

28. I'm a small person because I eat meat?

Fucking priceless.

Meat causes impotence? Show me a fucking link to a study.

JESUS CHRIST how can we take back the government when we cannot even get past what we FUCKING CHOOSE TO EAT?

Sick of vegan-carnivore threads rant #1 of what will probably be many.

[medeak]

30. jesus..I had to drink carrot juice in my thermos at school

was raised strict vegan and still believe in health benefits...but in no way do I feel pscho about it like some people

If you want to smoke and eat meat...hell life is too short!

by the way..greatest pleasure was tasting chocolate when I went to college after being fed carob entire childhood.