Why all the discussion of troops and veterans now?

[sleipnir]

And WTF happened to Vetwife?

[BrklynLiberal]

1. I think she may have decided she like the taste of Koolaid.

[cthrumatrix]

6. OR it's the march to "paint DU" as not supporting the troops --- BS

[dweller]

2. this past week, on the Ed Schultz show

he's been battling rwingnuts due to RushanalcystLimbaugh making comments in Iraq (certain political persuasions don't support the troops in Iraq) and Ed has been asking 'where? where are the Dems/Left making statements that they don't support the troops??'

my gut feeling is pretty soon someone is going to give Eddie a heads up, and it will point to here.

I hope i'm wrong, but as i've been advised recently, we have to stay 5 steps ahead of these guys to beat them.

dp

[tsuki]

14. True, the NeoCons are desperate to tie the protests now to the

Viet era protests. It legitimizes them. Unfortunately, a lot of my generation, the Viet Nam generation, including many of the Vets, are out there now protesting WANTING to BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW.

They need to derail the protests.

[ComerPerro]

3. Apparently she went neocon

I did some searching, it appears that she suddenly decided that to be against Bush's war, and to be against the needless death of 1400 American soldiers, was to be against the troops.

I don't really understand it, but this is how the Rethugs have been suckering people for the last three years.

Check out, in GD Politics, the discussion about the former liberal activist who became a "9/11 Republican".

Same shit.

[Nite Owl]

4. Here's her thread if it

is still there. She's a mod over at CU and some other place now. A spy all along? Not sure. She seems to think there was too much vet bashing here. Not true but that's how she was interpreting it. I came in at the end of this so that's about it for what I know.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3181381

[necso]

5. Troll post and the predictable responses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=133998

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[sleipnir]

9. Wow.

Unbelievable.

I wonder if it was a change of heart or just a ploy all along?

This is almost as interesting as the trolls who "outed" themselves after the election.

[necso]

10. Troll all along

would be my guess. It's common enough. But generally you have to wait for the half-way decent ones to out themselves. -- And the better ones you can never seem to get rid of.

Trollery discussions do tend to get locked, though.

[Stop_the_War]

13. Is that "Skinner" the same Skinner on DU?

Just making sure.

[jonnyblitz]

15. hell no! nt

[Baclava]

11. "Why all the discussion "...???

Because it's Saturday and PETA-bashing is not allowed on the weekend.
(Gotta talk aobut something)

[rockymountaindem]

12. I have a couple of questions about this incident;

Was she just a troll?

Has she always been a Democrat, and now she's not anymore?

Or is she still a Democrat, just fed up with this site and now spreading her message where she thinks it will be well recieved reguardless of party affiliation?

[coreystone]

17. She is the "DARLING" of DU until she supports VETS regardless of ...

party affiliation. Now isn't that what bi-partisan is all about??

Was she just a troll? NO!

Has she always been a Democrat, and now she's not anymore? She is NOW INDEPENDENT!

Or is she still a Democrat, just fed up with this site and now spreading her message where she thinks it will be well recieved reguardless of party affiliation?

It is really more involved than that! She is an extremely dedicated supporter of Veterans and extremely “ANTI-BUSH”!

And she never drank the “KOOLAID”!

[rockymountaindem]

18. Then why is she doing moderating at conservative websites?

That doesn't sound like something someone who is "extremely anti-Bush" would do.

[coreystone]

21. Because she only supports "Veterans Issues" on those sites! :-)

[necso]

19. Her last thread was a claim

of military-bashing here at DU.

This is basically a ridiculous claim -- once you factor out all the other trolls who post what seem somewhat plausible sentiments from a progressive, but which are in practise trollery.

The ridiculous claim is a pretty standard means of troll suicide here. Some poseur will post here for some time (including at rather amazing length) pretending one thing or another and then create a thread claiming DU is against whatever this poseur has been pretending to be or be for -- or is for whatever this poseur has trying to build a case that progressives (Democrats, whatever) are for. -- I have seen this happen numerous times.

And considering that getting tombstoned (or getting someone tombstoned) is quite difficult, then the mods' judgment of "disruptor", at least, is to be accepted.

As for the troll in question, my guess is troll all along. The suicide by ridiculous claim is grounds enough for believing this (and I believe that there is other evidence). And sometimes a "disruptor" will post of their exploits here on other sites -- this would constitute fairly good confirmation of their status as a troll.

Generally, it can be rather enlightening to witness the effort, time, numbers and (sometimes) the sophistication of the various attacks on DU. But you do need to have the "eye" for such things.

And, ah, birds of a feather and all that (and no, I don't mean you).

[IndianaGreen]

16. No one wants to talk about who put the troops in harm's way

No one wants to talk about who put the troops in harm's way in the first place. The 1,492 US dead, and the 11,069 wounded (half of them too seriously to return to duty) would be alive and in good health today had it not been for Bush's rush to war and the lies he told.

The more we talk about troops, the less we talk about the war criminal that got us into this war.

[ultraist]

20. exactly

The more we talk about troops, the less we talk about the war criminal that got us into this war

The more we engage in parroting nationalist propaganda, the less we talk about the truth.

[erpowers]

22. Reason for the Discussion

I think one of the reasons for the rather large amount of discussion about troops and veterans is that the affect of Bush's budget on troops and veterans came out recently. Veterans will now have to pay more money to get healthcare. Also, I think Bush is moving along with his plan to cut $1 billion from the Veterans Administration. I think some people feel sorry for the veterans and are upset that people like Bush get called patriotic when they hurt the troops, but DUers are called unpatriotic because they are against the war.