What state is the American capital of Fascism

[sasquatch]

Poll question: What state is the American capital of Fascism

Sorry southern DUers not to pick on you but, for every bad thing that happens in the US it seems to have roots that come from the south. I know I don't need to leave Ohio to see fascism in Cinncinati our Police officers think it is funny everytime they shoot a unarmed black man. A lot of them though have families that come from the south though. So I've always called the south the main exprter of Facism. Last night in a GD thread I said "This is borderline DLC southern Democrat racism" and I didn't get flamed so I think DUers are in support of that statement.

[Walt Starr]

1. Wyoming

Wyoming is the single most fascist state in the nation. I lived there for over twenty years and know this first hand. If you don't believe me, look a the percentage of voters that went for the #1 fascist ticket in 2000 and the percentage of voters who voted for the freedom loving Democratic candidate.

[kwolf68]

3. What about

Idaho? I thought they made Wyoming look Marxist.

[Walt Starr]

5. Nope, even Idaho had a much larger percentage of Dem votes

in 2000.

Wyoming went something like 83% for Bush/Satan.

[kwolf68]

11. LOL

You sure Idaho didn't protest because David Duke wasn't on the ticket?

I know Idaho is where the militias and fired LA police officers live.

[Walt Starr]

17. The fascists in Wyoming consider Idaho

a commie hangout.

[kwolf68]

34. No way

The home of Larry Craig and Helen "White Men are the Endangered Species" Chenowith?...

Uggghhhh

[liberalhistorian]

10. As much as I love the West,

and would love to live there someday, there are some states that are just too damned RW conservative, and Wyoming is definitely one of the worst. It's probably a good thing, then, that it's the least-populated state in the nation!

[DemBones DemBones]

2. Gee, I may be a dumb Southerner but I can spell FASCISM.

[sasquatch]

6. Ooops thanks for pointing that out

I didn't say you were dumb, I just said the south is the main exporter of Fascism

[cprise]

4. What, no Wisconsin??!

I can't believe anyone here would overlook that vipers nest!

[sasquatch]

7. I didn't know Wisconsin was all that bad

what have they done lately?

[cprise]

19. I was kidding.

:)

[Tyler Durden]

8. Try "WASHINGTON, DC"

We are fast approaching the point where we ALL live in the United States of Nazi Fascism, which might be a good thing because maybe THEN the rest of the world will do to us what we did to Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.

[sasquatch]

12. Not a state

Sorry:(

[Brian Sweat]

9. None of the states listed are even close.

I am not sure which state it is, but it is one of the western states like Idaho, Wyoming, Montana or maybe Oklahoma.

[LondonReign2]

15. Ok is religiously insane

...but Texas unquestionably takes the cake. Wyoming is undoubtedly more soldily RW, but only Texas manages to let loose the Phil Gramms, Dick Armeys, Tom DeLays, and Chimpy himself on the rest of the world.

Wyoming seems to keep it to themselves, Texas spreads like Ebola.

[Walt Starr]

28. Wyoming gave us Dick (Head) Cheney

Satan himself!

Dick (Head) Cheney was the lone representative from Wyoming for many years.

In fact, Dick (Head) Cheney nominated me for the United States Military Academy and the United States Naval Academy when I went to High School in Cheyenne.

I submit the fact that Dick (Head) Cheney is the real power behind the illegal fascist regime occupying the White House today and he was given to us by Wyoming.

[pansypoo53219]

48. what he said.

anyplace that spawn the evil Delay and Penis Navy is 'shirley' a fascist state.

And I think WI spawning McCarthy was damned bad, but... oh wait, Rhenquist is ours too, damn. this state does suck.

[DealsGapRider]

13. What an ignorant thread.

"for every bad thing that happens in the US it seems to have roots that come from the south."

What a despicable, ignorant, narrow-minded and hateful thing to say. Seems bigotry is still alive and well within the Democratic Party. But as long as it's anti-Southern bigotry, it's okay.

[sangh0]

16. Flame-bait!! People should go to

http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/index.html

and see that the West Coast is home to many Hate groups

[Le Taz Hot]

27. They missed at least two in my area

They only list one in/around Fresno -- we have 2 chapters of the KKK -- one in Clovis (been there for YEARS) and the other in Oakhurst/Coarsegold area (just south of Yosemite). There are a couple in Merced and Madera as well.

Your point is well taken -- these knuckle-dragging droolers are EVERYWHERE. As one who has seen white-robed KKKers in the flesh (or in the sheets, as it were), I can assure you the south has no such monopoly.

[Walt Starr]

30. Hate groups do not equate to exporting Facism

Although Texas gave us Bush and Rove, Florida gave us some very fascists representative, and Mississippi gave us Trent Lott it was Wyoming that gave us the #1 fascist in America, Mr. Satan himself, Dick (Head) Cheney.

[sasquatch]

39. I think they present mentality to let it happen

That apathetic southern mentality works it's way all ove the US.

[sangh0]

43. It's definitely working on you

.

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[sangh0]

58. Spreading some of that Northern Love?

.

[Walt Starr]

55. It's not an "apathetic Southern mentality"

That apathy runs the gamit from Maine to California and from Seattle to Miami.

[sangh0]

42. Walt, check again

That map includes Neo-Nazi groups. Please check out the SPLC's website

[Walt Starr]

65. I did

I still say exporting Dick (Head) Cheney was the biggest ecxport of fascism by any state at any time in history.

If we go with hate groups, Indiana would ahve to be the winner because it exported the Klan throughout the entire nation during the 20's.

[Bridget Burke]

20. Disrupters...

Want to divide & conquer. Set us to arguing among ourselves to distract from the real fight.

They're hard at work right now.

[sasquatch]

26. How dare you call me a disrupter

I'm only pointing out what needs to be pointed out.

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[Bridget Burke]

46. Because you're acting like one.

[sangh0]

63. Then hit the alert

and complain to the mods about the bigotry and disruption

[Bridget Burke]

67. I did.

Not for this message, but one where he called another DU'er an "SOB".

[sasquatch]

22. Well I can't help the south is Anti-American

Slavery was widely used in the South so still to this day Wealth is concentrated and there is hardly any middle class. Out of haves and have not's societies extremnist in politics are born. You should know this.

[Bridget Burke]

29. "Hardly any middle class" (?)

You've obviously never been to the South. Slavery was abolished some time ago.

Thanks for proving that not all semi-literate ignorant Yahoos live in the south!

[sasquatch]

36. I've been to Tennesee pal

and SC. In Tennesee there are either hollow's or Very nice Plantation style homes and that's it. Now Columbia CS is fairly nice place to live. In the South there still is that "Can I pick a bale of cotton for you master for real cheap and I'll never start or allow a union to start up here" mentality. I KNOW slavery was abolished a long time ago but, they always wabt to gradualy move back to it.

[DemBones DemBones]

59. Have you been everywhere in TN? It's not all "either hollow's (sic)

or Very nice Plantation style homes." You seem to have visited just one town or area, though I don't know where it would be.

[DBoon]

31. But western states

Likewise have a tradition of large scale irrigation projects, supporting large scale plantation-like agriculture, along with bitterly anti-labor mining interests (see the history of unions in mining and agriculture).

This has given them very right wing anti-democratic politics.

An independent middle class forms the basis of political democracy. A plantation economy forms the basis of fascism.

[DealsGapRider]

37. Ridiculous

Slavery existed in the North, too, punchy. And it died almost 150 years ago. I do not deny that there are poor quality people in the South, just as there are in every geographic region. But to make a blanket generalization that the South is the chief repository of wickedness in this country is ignorant and hateful.

As for the middle class in the South, you don't know what you're talking about. The South is arguably the fastest growing region in the country, and there's a robust middle class.

Peddle your hate elsewhere.

[sasquatch]

49. It's the fastest growing because there is nothing there

And there is nothing but, Hollows in Tennesee so don't tell me about a middle class in the south.

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[liberalhistorian]

70. Yeah, but then there's Mississippi,

Alabama, and North and South Carolina, which are all really suffering economically right now. I'm not saying Atlanta and Virginia aren't thriving economically, just that not every state in the South is in the same position.

[DemBones DemBones]

68. You say "there is nothing but, Hollows in Tennesee" (sic) but that

is simply untrue.

Ever been to Nashville, Knoxville, Chattanooga, Memphis?

No middle class in the South? Sorry, that's just completely untrue. I've lived in Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, California, Illinois, Virginia, and traveled to many more, and have never seen a state that didn't have a middle class. They all have wealth and poverty, too, and good people and bigots.

[uptohere]

14. Mass, Ohio, NY, most western states in cluding the dakotas

and maybe 30 years ago or so the deep south. Times change but not always for the better above the Mason Dixon line.

[sasquatch]

18. Mass,NY and Ohio?

please give me an example because Fascism is alive somwhere in the United States but, it has roots somewhere else.

[uptohere]

23. OK fine, all southern problems I banish to Europe

its in the papers, google yourself.

[DemBones DemBones]

64. PLEASE don't banish me to Europe! I'd just HATE to be forced

to live in Umbria! Or, even worse, Tuscany! No, no, don't send me to Tuscany, please, I beg you!

[HFishbine]

21. You've

confused fascism and racism. I'll vote when you come up with a fairer poll.

[sasquatch]

24. OK

[trof]

25. YEEEEHAAAAA!!!

[sasquatch]

32. You like the Flame war that's going on

eom

[trof]

54. I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

;-)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. It Wasn't

a southern cop who put a plunger up Abnner Louima's ass....

a southern policeman who put forty two shots in Abdu Diallo...

southern cops who beat Rodney King within an inch his life...

southern teenagers who chased an African kid into a major highway and his death...

Get off the South's fucking back.... O K

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[Bridget Burke]

51. Illiterate?

"monopoly" not "monoply"

"Fascism" not "Facism"

"separate" not "seperate"

[trof]

69. Oh my. It's degenerated to name calling.

Oh dear.
Sticks and stones...

[trof]

72. OK, here's litterate:

Sorry (comma) southern DUers(comma) not to pick on you(comma) but,(delete comma) for(delete word) every bad thing that happens in the US it(delete word) seems to have roots that come from(delete underlined, insert "in") the south.(double space) I know I don't need to leave Ohio to see fascism in Cinncinati(Cincinnati)(period-double space) (upper case)our Police(lower case) officers think it is funny every(space)time they shoot a(n) unarmed black man.(double space) A lot of them(comma) though(comma) have families that come from the south(comma) though(reundant). (double space)So I've always called the south the main exprter(exporter) of Facism(fascism and lower case). (double space)Last night in a GD thread I said "This is borderline DLC southern Democrat racism"(comma) and I didn't get flamed(comma) so I think DUers are in support of that statement. {It does appear that you miscalculated.}

There. Doesn't that read a little better?
You're welcome.
:-)

[DrGonzoLives]

35. *sniff* *sniff* I smells me some flamebait

Fascism is rule by a government controlled by corporate interests. In that vein, one would have to point to New York, financial capital of the U.S., or Delaware, which has nice usury and tax laws that get businesses to headquarter there.

But, that wouldn't fit into your "SOUTH IS EVIL" routine, would it?

[sasquatch]

50. What about Haliburton and Enron

both of them come from Texas. Take that:evilgrin:

[DrGonzoLives]

60. Run by people

many of whom received training at the old-boy Ivy League schools, which, incidentally, are not located in the South. I mean, even us dumbass hicks in flyover states that are gloriously civilized like New York and California know that.

And spare me the emoticons. This was pure flamebait, and you know it.

[Zuni]

56. not true

Fascism does not have to be rule with corporate interests at all. Fascism has no particular economic ideology. Nazi Germany actually was a mix of socialism/capitalism (all buisness interests not in line with the state were nationalized. The state pretty much controlled the capitalist interests that were not nationalized)in the 1930s, but during the war they began using massive slave labor and the whole country went on a total war economy.

Corporatism in fascist Italy is not corporatism in the sense of capitalist buisness trusts. Corporatism in Italy was a form of lobby in the government formed of 'corporations' that represented different interests and groups in italy.

Fascism is essentially a revolutionary movement, designed to combat bourgeois democracy and communism. It blends intense nationalism, often pan-racial ideology, contempt for class barriers, expansionism, and a military structured society. Fascism also usually has an absolute dictator that represents the state.

Fascism is also revolutionary movement.

[helleborient]

38. How totally offensive...

Fascist ideas in the U.S. are geographically based?

Wow...Matt Hale is from Peoria, Illinois, but we're a solidly Democratic state at this point.

We're not actively exporting anything as a state in terms of ideas. Our senator Dick Durbin is a leader among progressives in the Senate, but my Representative Jerry Weller does seem to have some borderline fascist tendencies...but I think it's a strain to say my congressional district is exporting fascism...

Every bad thing...????

Is Arnold Schwarzenegger from the South?

Is Matt Hale (the World Church of the Creator) from the South?

This is a stupid exercise to even start listing...what a stupid post.

[sasquatch]

52. DAMMIT will you read what I originaly posted

I KNOW that the south doesn't have a monoply on fascism.

[DrGonzoLives]

61. Then why the FUCK

did you only put choices that are states in the South? Hello? Bueller?

[salin]

40. great example of polling bias

one problem with 'polls' - and why the results we read sometimes seem inconsistent with what we 'see and hear' - is that the questions asked (wording) and the questions selected (what is asked vs what is not ask) picks up bias - even if it is unintentional - due to the underlying assumptions made by the person constructing the poll questions.

In this case we have exclusively southern states, at the exclusion of some other regions/states that could also lay claim to such 'charges'.

[Gman]

57. Virginia should get an honorable mention

Southern Virginia.

[Walt Starr]

66. Indiana definitely deserves an honorable mention too

Look at the history of the Klan, especially during the twenties!

[EarlG]

71. Flamebait

Locking.