Colin Powell is "very sore" about his U.N. presentation for Iraq war

[Bluebear]

From the "fine time to think about that" department....


Asked about the wrong intelligence fed to him about supposed Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, Powell responded: "...there was a little too much inferential judgment. Too much resting on assumptions and worst-case scenarios.

"With intelligence, sometimes you are talking to people who are perhaps selling you lies."

Powell said he was "very sore" about the presentation he had made to the UN Security Council which turned out to have been based on false intelligence. "I will be forever be known as the one who made the case."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050226/ts_alt_afp/britainustelegraph_050226185100

[Solly Mack]

1. uh-ok

Powell:" let me be part of, and support, some truly damaging actions.. and once out of office, let me act as if I stand on principle"

Love me!!! Please Love me!!!

[Paradise]

60. How's that saying go...

You can fool some of the people... Too little, too late, CP.

[hvn_nbr_2]

68. I think this is the saying you want...

Lie down with dogs. Wake up with fleas.

[Paradise]

74. Yeah! That's it! Thanks hvn_nbr_2! :) n/t

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. I think what he means is:

"This administration sold me up the river and played me for a token Uncle Tom patsy. And I was uncautious enough to trust them."

[Blue Wally]

69. "sold down the river"

While slavery in the US was never a picnic, it was much more brutal and severe in Louisiana and Mississippi thasn it was in Kentucky, Tennessee, and Missouri. Slaves in those states who misbehaved were often threatened with being "sold down the river".

[johncoby2]

3. Powell is just like Condi. No balls to confront Bush. eom

[flordehinojos]

25. i don't think it was a matter of having no balls to confront bush..i think

it was more a matter of sucking up for whatever self advancement he could get... just like those regrets to me sound like more sucking up, except that this time the sucking up is colon trying paint himself as a martyr and suck up to the rest of us. SORRY COLIN POWELL. YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE TO BE AN HONORALBE,INTEGRAL MAN AND YOU BLEW IT. YOU WANTED TO BE IN WITH THE IN CROWD. NOW THAT THEY KICKED YOUR ASS OUT, YOU WANT US TO TAKE YOU IN. YOU KNEW -- YOU KNEW --- YOU KNEWW... YET, YOU LIED, YOU LIED, YOU LIED. you got the outhouse and the doghouse --- those are your true just deserves.

[cliss]

34. Absolutely.

Color me "unfooled". I recall VERY WELL, when things were heating up to war. Colon Bowel had made his case to the U.N.

Hans Blix was interviewed after the US marched to war in Iraq. Blix said that he asked Bowel personally about the Niger enriched uranium incident. He pointed out to Bowel that it was not true. It was known even then.

Bowel had said something to the effect, that "Well, if that's the case, then that's the case."

BOWEL KNEW all along what he was doing. He's not stupid. He was in on it, just like all the rest of them.

Of course, now he wants his cake and eat it too. He still wants the awesome prestige.

[FreedomAngel82]

38. Yep

He went along. And if he was being blackmailed he could've gone to someone couldn't he? Sorry Powell you don't get my sympathy. He could've stopped this.

[Just Me]

75. He placed his personal interest over his duty to "the people".

He made the choice to cover his own ass, failing to exercise the courage necessary to fulfill his duty to his people.

That was his choice, he is responsible for it, and he has to live with it.

[oasis]

40. Powell acknowledged that "he knew" to Blix. Colin should just slink away

like the snake he is. He was only half assed supporting Bush which was his downfall. Bush demands 100% loyalty.

[flordehinojos]

48. he ain't getting his "awesome prestige" -- he should've thought about it

before he smeared himself in and with all that bush doo-doo.

[Padraig18]

4. You're "very sore", General?

:wtf::grr::nuke::argh:

[Salviati]

5. Not as "sore" as all the civilians that have been so predictably killed

in this little invasion that he sold...

[The Zanti Regent]

9. ...like my son

Burn in hell, Powell, Burn in hell

[Bluebear]

11. Oh TZR I am so terribly sorry

[omulcol]

26. Me too TZR .....

Warm Regards to you .......

[FreedomAngel82]

39. I'm sorry

ZantiRegent. :( :hug:

[Just Me]

77. Your only son.

I, too, have only one son. I am horrified and saddened by your loss.

:cry: I'm sorry.

I hate the sorrow and pain this administration has inflicted upon so many people,...I really do,...it's unforgiveable! :mad:

[calimary]

96. NO!

NO!

Oh, MAN...

I am so sorry...

DAMN.

I am SO SORRY!!!

I'm a mom, so I can understand your response. Hell, even if I WEREN'T a mom, I could STILL understand your response. I not only understand it, I share it. For every soldier who's killed over there, heck - for every ANYBODY who's killed over there, there is a mother and father and wives and husbands and lovers and friends and children and grandparents and aunts and uncles and neighbors and cousins - who weep. For every one who falls, MANY more tears fall as well.

Zanti - there are too many people like you in tears for this war - BASED ON LIES. Let me say that again - BASED ON LIES. Colin Powell has blown WHATEVER cred he spent his life building, because of this. Because of these people. The poster above who said "lie down with dogs, get up with fleas" couldn't be more correct. Colin, if you knew this was a lie and you went ahead and sold it anyway, you WILL burn in hell. With all the rest of them. They used you, they ruined you, they laughed and chortled all the way as they imagined the power and the money it would bring them. And worst of all, you allowed it. In fact, you evidently welcomed it. You enabled it. And there are oceans of blood on your hands - as well as on theirs. You tell THAT to St. Peter at the Pearly Gates. Even if you try and fudge it with your State Department "diplomatic-speak," he'll have been fully updated already. For you, as well as the rest of the bushies, it's just a matter of time.

Zanti - I am so sorry. I am so sorry. I don't know what else to say. And I certainly don't know what could possibly be said to ease the pain. Except maybe that we are with you, and our prayers are with you, and we will never stop fighting this awful people.

[T Bone]

46. Not as sore as all our soldiers fragged by roadside bombs

Their blood is on YOUR hands, Colin. You should retire and never speak to America about ANYTHING again. You are despicable and disgusting.

[Vickers]

6. Day late and 1500 servicemembers short, dumbass.

What a pathetic assclown.

[Mikimouse]

7. Jeez Colin, you seem to have learned more from * than you thought

can you honestly say that you didn't know the stuff was bullshit all the while you were pushing it at the UN. I, for one, do not believe that you didn't know and I call you a coward and a whore.

[mmonk]

8. He's correct,

that's what he will be known for. Don't do the crime if you can't serve the time.

[Bluebear]

10. Damning post! "J'accuse, Colin"!

[Eric J in MN]

64. At first,

I thought your were going to say "He's correct" that it's not his fault.

I'm relieved.

"Don't do the crime if you can't serve the time" is a good way to put it.

[peacebird]

87. Colon Bowel will ALWAYS be remembered as

the * lackey who provided "reason and proof" (proved totally false) for the invasion.

his place in history is already marked. Pathetic poser who left all honor BEHIND to push an illegal, immoral war.

[dogman]

12. I guess Belafonte was right about him.

The question is what is sore, his conscience or his pride?

[pearl]

14. He's also very ruined

May he Never get his uh, good name back.
Fuck You, You war monger.

[CoffeeCat]

13. "I will be forever known as the one who made the case."

It appeared that he's falling on the sword for *.

That's what I see.

He's saying that the intelligence community lied and he took those lies to the UN.

In other words...* did nothing wrong.

They're all victims of bad intelligence.

Whatever.

[MichiganVote]

17. The only "intelligence" they lacked was their own

They didn't and don't lack for one damn thing in the Bush admin. They made this war and they made America want it too with lies, distortions and mistatements. And...they would do it all over again.

[TomClash]

15. He's sore . . .

And 1500 American soldiers are dead and 11,000 are wounded.

Secretary Powell, I hate to tell you this, but you were sandbagged.

[Bluebear]

18. I was going to add 'join the rest of America who have been screwed....

with no lube" but that would be a sex post and is not allowed under the rules.

[mwb970]

16. Powell is being somewhat disingenuous...

My gosh. The man sat there for - how long? 90 minutes? - with his photos of trucks and his vial of talcum powder. He went ON and ON about this site has 10,000 of this, and that other site has 8,000 of something else. He even said something like "These are not mere assertions. These are things that we KNOW."

Well, let's see how he did. OK, so he was off a bit. Did we find, say, only HALF of the things he talked about? That would be pretty bad. No, we didn't. Well, did we find one QUARTER, one TENTH of what he talked about? No and no. We found NOTHING! NOTHING!

How a person can be THAT FAR OFF about something so important and survive with any portion of his reputation intact is simply amazing.

[BrklynLiberal]

20. One of those was not even a photo, it was a DRAWING!There were no photos

of sites.

[mwb970]

23. Yes! I forgot about the drawing. Sheesh. (n/t)

[BrklynLiberal]

19. Hope he's not looking for sympathy from this side of the room.

No way he did not know what he was getting himself into. You make a deal with the devil and then complain when you lose your soul....?

[Disturbed]

22. Powell called the OSP, The Gestapo in jest.

He sure is a joker, eh?

He and Tenet knew that this presentation was total BULLSHIT. Tenet got a medal for it but Powell got the boot. Now he wants to redeem himself. No fuckin' way!

[Greybnk48]

21. He's a lying, murdering pig like the rest of them

too late buddy. It was too late for him when he signed on with *. Talk about squandering one's reputation!

[punpirate]

24. What Powell doesn't seem to understand,...

... or is intentionally glossing over, is that he had an obligation to stop being the "good soldier" the moment he became Secretary of State. If he truly wasn't sure of the intelligence (and earlier reports say he was uneasy about it), or was not in favor of the war, or the war as fought, he had an obligation to the people of the country to say so, and to resign if his objections weren't heard.

Sometimes, doing the right thing takes precedent over loyalty, something that Colin Powell, throughout his career, has seemingly never understood. I would think that halting the progress of an illegal war based on false or imprecise intelligence fits that category.

When Richard Nixon ordered Elliot Richardson to fire Archibald Cox, the Watergate special prosecutor, Richardson refused, and was fired. Nixon then ordered Richardson's successor, William Ruckelshaus, to fire Cox. Ruckelshaus refused, and was fired.

That one evening, the Saturday Night Massacre, told the public more than all the Nixon administration lies surrounding Watergate. What might have happened if Richardson had simply caved in to his boss, Richard Nixon?

Powell has put himself in the unfortunate position of being guilty of either facilitating the Iraq war and dissembling about that, or of failing to do the right thing, out of loyalty, when the opportunity arose. Neither option is flattering.

[ChicaAzul]

62. You took the words right out of my mouth, punpirate!

What you've stated is what I've been saying all along! My signature line pretty much summerizes what colin powell has done. What a shame that we spend so much of our time teaching children the virtue of being honorable and then we have to live with the consequences of honor turning to cowardice.

My husband, DUer "MarianJack", fully concurs with what I say and is also moved by your post.

[newyawker99]

67. Hi ChicaAzul!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[candy331]

27. Now Colon Bowell if you want real redemption, start naming names

times and places.

[Bluebear]

28. Great idea. Rehabilitate yourself without these vague comments

Waaah my reputation is ruined.

Cough it up, Colin, if you want to be 'redeemed'.

[adigal]

29. I must say, I am sorry

So much talent, so much promise, to be the first African-American president who bowed down to the Emperor's son, Bush 43. And shame on me, and people who believed him in 2000.

[lovuian]

30. He will always be known as a Liar and telling UN Lies!!!

that has destroyed his career!!! Hey this is what happens when you play with the devil you gonna get burned!!!

But he will have LOTS of company!!! Soon very Soon!!!

[IndyPriest]

31. Colin: Tell this story in the U.S!

Come on, big guy. Why tell the tale in a London newspaper?? If you want to help, pick an outlet HERE. Pick a medium. Newspaper. TV. Cable. Radio. ANYTHING. Shit go over to Faux News and give 'em the whole story. Even the coporate media would grab this story. Were you hoping this would leak back, and get into outlets like Yahoo News?? Geez...

[oasis]

43. Powell's still trying to have it both ways. He knows that Brits have their

doubts about him so he has to throw them a bone. Red state America thinks he's a hero and won't question his actions.

[seabeyond]

32. known as the one who made the case.".......YUP

he will. yes he will. and never forget that powell. i gave you more respect than anyone else in the administration, even though it went against instinct. this is what will be with you here on out. you sold out

[tblue37]

52. But he is wrong.

He will be remembered for that, of course, but also for so much more. He was, after all, the architect of the My Lai cover-up, and he is the also the father of outgoing FCC chairman Michael Powell.

Colin Powell is guilty of lots more than just the Iraq war presentation.

[seabeyond]

72. this came up for me about a year or two ago

didnt know about it. you are right, but not many know this. it is always fun to share this with family adn friends

[indepat]

33. Powell will forever be known in the world community as the one who sold

his soul IMHO to further the neocon/PNAC agenda.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

35. "I will be forever known as the one who made the case."

wow... this statement so much reminds me of the musical, JC Superstar, where Judas laments that he will always be known as the one who sold out Christ. What a sad, sad man.

[Toucano]

36. One good thing.

At least the butthead is acknowledging it.

Admitting you've made a mistake important, but you're right, Colin. You will forever be known as the one who made the case.

[oasis]

37. You will be forever known as a "stooge" for Bush and a traitor to decency.

[usregimechange]

41. fairly big stuff here. kick

[Donna Zen]

42. Thursday after the UN

the BBC 2 broke the story about much of what Powell had said at the UN being lifted from an out of date website. There were several other papers that carried stories over the weekend, including the Washington Post.

Powell knew very well that the "Powell Doctrine" was being negated by the bastards. He knew that they weren't doing diddly about phase 4 planning.

And now he'd better know this: If he had resigned THEN, this war would have never started. Never.

Powell worked on a softer PNAC plan in 1992. So this Pontius Pilate act just doesn't cut it.

General Powell_there is a lot of blood on your hands. Wanna talk about Iran Contra?

[riverwalker]

44. and Bill Maher still wants Powell as President

"These are not mere assertions. These are things that we KNOW."
Powell at UN

[Donna Zen]

59. What is with Maher on this?

Does Maher just say this for "shock" value? I don't always agree with Maher, but his shilling for Powell is pure "dumb-ass" thinking. In the past, Maher has been credited with having some brains, with his Powell fixation, ya' gotta wonder.

[FM Arouet666]

45. Sore? Tell that to the dead and wounded. Pathetic. n/t

[PowerToThePeople]

47. I would be willing to forgive Powell.

But it would take a lot. He could learn something from this gentleman..

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/06/int04029.html

If he can get the "whole truth" out to the world, maybe something great can come of it. If he isn't killed by * cronies first.

[autorank]

51. If he bacame a Democrat and trashed our "little corporal." Me too!

[jbnow]

49. He was the closest voice to reason that they had.

I know his Viet Nam history but still he pushed for diplomacy, he understood diplomacy, he had some respect around the world. In this administration he seemed to stand out in having some integrity and an understanding of world affairs.

When he made that presentation I kept thinking "He'd better not be lying" but he was lying.

I really had thought more of him then that. Because he did know better there is no excuse, it almost makes it worse. What was he putting ahead of truth, what made him support an action he KNEW was wrong.
Walking out would have been more patriotic, even if he didn't speak out then.

If he had some complaints or truth to offer belatedly, months after the election is not an impressive time. Through his silence before November he encouraged the continuation of an administration he knew was making horrible decisions and he had enabled them.

Prior to the election he might have atoned for some of it by speaking honestly. Now it means absolutely nothing. Who the hell was his loyalty to?

[autorank]

50. "Forever known..." and forever shamed, you corporatist toady!

[deacon]

53. yes you will colin, and forever will have to live with all the death as a

result.

[opihimoimoi]

54. Colon is trying to clean up his act...Too little too late......

1.500 dead. 10000 wounded. many more with PTS. 120,000 civies dead, 350,000 wounded. Infrastructure/buildings destroyed at our expense and now rebuilding it all back, again, at our expense....

Sheer Lunacy...

Where is the REAL LEADERSHIP....sure as hell not in this administration...of which Colon was a part of.

Fuck him, he had a good name then went and screwed it all by signing on with SATAN-Co.

Now he wants his name back? Fuck you

[Hissyspit]

55. My father was at the U.S. Army War College with him in the late 1970s

As I said in an earlier post, at some point Powell made a sudden switch before the war started from being cautious about the war drum-beating to selling the war, which I always have said meant that something seemed to have made him 'sell his soul to the devil.' I still wonder what it was. Something specific nudged him over.

I lost any respect for him then. My father went to the U.S. Army War College with him in the late 1970s and my sister went to school with Michael. Colin always seemed one of the reasonable ones, but he made his choices and lined up with the Kool-Aid servers, and now blood is on his hands.

[allemand]

56. He made the sudden switch after being informed by Bush of his decision

to go to war. It's all in Bob Woodward's "Plan of Attack".

I remember thinking at the time when he suddenly switched his position that this could only mean that the decision about the war had already been made.

[Hissyspit]

93. Well, yes, I remember that. I guess I am seeking deeper motivation

beyond that. Maybe I am expecting too much.

[neweurope]

57. Nothing changed since My Lai. Go and hide, Powell. Don't show your

face any more, we've seen it too often.

-----------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to the Hague!

(Powell, too, and all the rest of them)

[Deja Q]

58. So Powell's gone, his replacement to repeat the mistake...

e.g. lie in an attempt to get the war started and later resign and then tell everyone he's "very sore" about it all. Nice.

Sorry Colin, there is a line where you lose the right to be forgiven. When it comes to war and the lives of (ultimately) tens of thousands, you may have crossed that line.

You bought the lies... or you're just trying to create a scapegoat to protect the real instrument behind the war. And we all know about his father and a feeble comment made by Iraq's now ex-ruler in the mid-90s...

[ChicaAzul]

61. Maybe he should have stood by his guns.

He IS the one who called the intelligence "BULLSHIT!" :crazy:

[MarianJack]

65. Thats My Honey!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[Eric J in MN]

63. At the time, Colin Powell's own chief of intelligence knew it was lies.

http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft_essay_2005_01_16_conservative_con_of_the_week_bush_sells_fear.asp

At the time Colin Powell made his infamous presentation to the UN, Feb. 5, 2003, Powell's intelligence analyst on wmd, Greg Thielmann, knew the evidence was bogus ("The Man Who Knew" 60 Minutes, Feb. 4, 2004.)



Why was Colin Powell getting his intelligence for the UN speech from the Vice President's office?

[Kahuna]

66. Duh. First hint they were LIES were the drawings of the mobile labs..

versus actual intelligence photos. Everybody looked at you like you had two heads when you presented those photos. I think we all think you were smart enough to figure out that something fishy was up.

[flyarm]

86. that was not the first hint what powell said was lies..the entire

world was reading and reporting in their papers and news about the lies within days of powells speach..and you wonder why the world's people didnt support us?? the lies were even spread all over the canadian papers..

the so called intellignece powell used was from a 12 year old college kids disertation paper that powell plagerized!!

people every american should have known right then we have no media left!!

powell was a whore..but so was ( and is) the u.s. media!!

fly

[leftofthedial]

70. when you're a whore

sometimes you get the clap

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

71. I can't think of a public figure who has had such a massive devaluation of

their reputation as C.P., and in his case, it is richly deserved.

It oughta be shrub and Dick of course, but their rep has only gone down with half the country, a tale for another thread...

Yes, you will indeed be forever known as the man who made the case. As well you should.

To this day, I remember being on the phone with another former military friend of mine, during the propaganda runup to the war, and not believing my ears when he told me about how he believed the invasion was something we ought to do, and how we would use the oil revenues of Iraq to pay for it. And how any lingering doubts he had were removed after the Powell presentation at the U.N.

I've hardly spoken to that person since that night. How many more like him are there?

Yes. You are the man who made the case.

[ComerPerro]

73. Fuck him

He knew the Bushes were slime, he had to know he was lying

[robbedvoter]

76. Anyone has a pic with him holding that vial?

And why "sore" and not "sorry"? How about apologizing to the victims of all this? In US where it can do some good!

[barb162]

78. whenever he found this out, why didn't he publicize it and quit?

[bpilgrim]

79. "I will be forever be known as the one who made the BS case"

they all KNEW perfectly well what they were doing.

playing the VICTIM card is very popular these days.

no one has any sense of responsibilities these days in the conservative community.

peace

[flyarm]

80. OH YES AND WHEN THIS CAME OUT IN BRITIAN HE HAD

no time to correct what he said or explain why he lied??

b.s.!! i have kept this in my files knowing one day colin would lie once again to cover his ass!

( don't know if link will work anymore but if you want full article pm me i have full article!!)

yeah sure colin didnt know what he was saying was a lie..look at the date of this!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4600667-103550,00.html

UK war dossier a sham, say experts
British 'intelligence' lifted from academic articles

Michael White and Brian Whitaker
Friday February 7, 2003

Guardian

Downing Street was last night plunged into acute international embarrassment after it emerged that large parts of the British government's latest dossier on Iraq - allegedly based on "intelligence material" - were taken from published academic articles, some of them several years old.
Amid charges of "scandalous" plagiarism on the night when Tony Blair attempted to rally support for the US-led campaign against Saddam Hussein, Whitehall's dismay was compounded by the knowledge that the disputed document was singled out for praise by the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, in his speech to the UN security council on Wednesday.

Citing the British dossier, entitled Iraq - its infrastructure of concealment, deception and intimidation in front of a worldwide television audience Mr Powell said: "I would call my colleagues' attention to the fine paper that the United Kingdom distributed... which describes in exquisite detail Iraqi deception activities."

But on Channel 4 News last night it was revealed that four of the report's 19 pages had been copied - with only minor editing and a few insertions - from the internet version of an article by Ibrahim al-Marashi which appeared in the Middle East Review of International Affairs last September.

Though that was not the only textual embarrassment No 10 seemed determined to tough it out last night.

Dismissing the gathering controversy as the latest example of media obsession with spin, officials insisted it in no way undermines the underlying truth of the dossier, whose contents had been re-checked with British intelligence sources. "The important thing is that it is accurate," said one source.

What Whitehall may not grasp is the horror with which unacknowledged borrowing of material - the crime of plagiarism - is regarded in American academic and media circles, even though successive US governments have a poor record of misleading their own citizens on foreign policy issues at least since the Vietnam war. On a special edi tion of BBC Newsnight, filmed before a critical audience last night, Mr Blair stressed that he was willing to forgo popularity to warn voters of the dangers of weapons of mass destruction: "I may be wrong, but I do believe it."

With trust a critical element in the battle to woo a sceptical public the first sentence of the No 10 document merely states, somewhat cryptically, that it "draws upon a number of sources, including intelligence material".

But Glen Rangwala, a lecturer in politics at Cambridge University, told Channel 4: "I found it quite startling when I realised that I'd read most of it before."

The content of six more pages relies heavily on articles by Sean Boyne and Ken Gause that appeared in Jane's Intelligence Review in 1997 and last November. None of these sources is acknowledged.

The document, as posted on Downing Street's website at the end of January, also acci dentally named four Whitehall officials who had worked on it: P Hamill, J Pratt, A Blackshaw and M Khan. It was reposted on February 3 with the first three names deleted.

"Apart from passing this off as the work of its intelligence services," Dr Rangwala said, "it indicates that the UK really does not have any independent sources of information on Iraq's internal policies. It just draws upon publicly available data."

Evidence of an electronic cut-and-paste operation by Whitehall officials can be found in the way the dossier preserves textual quirks from its original sources. One sentence in Dr Marashi's article includes a misplaced comma in referring to Iraq's head of military intelligence during the 1991 Gulf war. The same sentence in Downing Street's report contains the same misplaced comma.

A Downing Street spokesman declined to say why the report's public sources had not been acknowledged. "We said that it draws on a number of sources, including intelligence. It speaks for itself."

Dr Marashi, a research associate at the Centre for Nonproliferation Studies in Monterey, California, said no one had contacted him before lifting the material.

But on the regular edition of Newsnight he later gave some comfort to No 10. "In my opinion, the UK document overall is accurate even though there are a few minor cosmetic changes. The only inaccuracies in the UK document were that they maybe inflated some of the numbers of these intelligence agencies," he said.

Explaining the more journalistic changes inserted into his work by Whitehall he added: "Being an academic paper, I tried to soften the language.

"For example, in one of my documents, I said that they support organisations in what Iraq considers hostile regimes, whereas the UK document refers to it as 'supporting terrorist organisations in hostile regimes'.


fly

[flyarm]

81. and heres more to prove powell is a filthy liar!!

from my files..don't know if link will work anylonger...pm me if you want full article!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4606426-103550,00.html

US claims on Iraq called into question
Inspectors pick holes in Powell allegations and call for patience in carefully coded message to council

Jonathan Steele
Saturday February 15, 2003

Guardian

Colin Powell's long dossier of Iraq's alleged non-compliance came under withering attack from the chief UN weapons inspectors yesterday. They said they found several elements of his evidence either false or unconvincing.
Hans Blix picked on two satellite images of a chemical warfare site, which the US secretary of state told the security council, in his 90-minute presentation last week, proved Iraq was engaged in deception.

Mr Powell had shown two photographs of the site at Al Musayyib, taken in May and July last year. The site was used to trans-ship chemical weapons from production facilities out to the field, he said.

On the first occasion there was what Mr Powell described as a "decontamination vehicle associated with biological and chemical weapons activity". Two months later the vehicle had gone and the site had been bulldozed and graded, he said.

But Mr Blix made it clear he found the pictures unconvincing. "The reported movement of munitions at the site could just as easily have been a routine activity as a movement of proscribed munitions in anticipation of an imminent inspection," he said.

He accepted that governments had many sources of information that were not available to the inspectors, but he added drily: "Inspectors must base their reports only on evidence which they can themselves examine and present publicly. Without evidence, confidence cannot arise."

The thinly veiled attack on Mr Powell's case for war by the chief arms inspectors adds to the problems the US and Britain are facing in making their argument on the world stage. Last week a similar British dossier was discredited when it became clear that it had been compiled from old academic papers which it had passed off as partly drawn from "intelligence".

Mr Powell last week made much of an engine testing stand for which he also showed the security council satellite pictures. It was "clearly intended for long-range missiles that can fly 1,200 kilometres", he claimed, adding: "These are missiles that Iraq wants in order to project power, to threaten, and to deliver chemical, biological and - if we let him - nuclear warheads."

Iraq last week rebutted the US charges, arguing that the testing stand had a longer exhaust facility than earlier ones only because it was set up horizontally rather than vertically.

In his report yesterday, Mr Blix came down closer to the Iraqi position. "So far, the test stand has not been associated with proscribed activity," he said. In other words, there was no evidence it had been used in ways deemed illegal under UN resolutions.

Mr Blix also cast doubt on Mr Powell's claims that Iraqi officials had been tapping the inspectors' telephones and hastily moving material from sites shortly before the inspectors arrived. "In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew in advance that the inspectors were coming," Mr Blix said.



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i knew one day powell would lie again to insulate himself from the lies he told so i have kept in files! fly

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83. colin powell lied to the world at the u.n. on feb 5th 2003 check this

see the date here for this article that ran in britian and all over the world ..except ...in the u.s.a.
colin powell had plenty of time to stop his lies..and he didnt..he is a lying sac of crap!!



http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4601552-103690,00.html

Downing St admits blunder on Iraq dossier
Plagiarism row casts shadow over No 10's case against Saddam

Michael White, Ewen MacAskill and Richard Norton-Taylor
Saturday February 8, 2003

Guardian

Downing Street yesterday apologised for its failure to acknowledge that much of its latest dossier on Iraq was lifted from academic sources, as the affair threatened to further undermine confidence in the government's case for disarming Saddam Hussein.
MPs and anti-war groups were quick to protest that other features of Whitehall's information campaign are suspect at a time when MI6 and other intelligence agencies are privately complaining at the way No 10 has been over-egging intelligence material on Iraq.

It emerged yesterday that the dossier issued last week - later found to include a plagiarised section written by an American PhD student - was compiled by mid-level officials in Alastair Campbell's Downing Street communications department with only cursory approval from intelligence or even Foreign Office sources.

Though it now appears to have been a journalistic cut and paste job rather than high-grade intelligence analysis, the dossier ended up being cited approvingly on worldwide TV by the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, when he addressed the UN security council on Wednesday.

Downing Street yesterday toughed it out, insisting that what mattered was that the facts contained in the document were "solid" and helped make the case Tony Blair rammed home on BBC Newsnight. But the middle section of the dossier, which describes the feared Iraqi intelligence network, was taken, much of it verbatim, from the research of Dr Ibrahim al-Marashi without his knowledge or permission.

"In retrospect we should have acknowledged . The fact that we used some of his work does not throw into question the accuracy of the document as a whole, as he himself acknowledged on Newsnight last night, where he said that in his opinion the document overall was accurate," the No 10 spokesman conceded. "We all have lessons to learn," he added. The four officials originally named on the website version of the 19-page dossier include Alison Blackshaw, Mr Campbell's senior assistant, and Murtaza Khan, described as a news editor on the busy Downing Street website.

Professor Michael Clark, director of the International Policy Institute at King's College London, said presenting such intelligence material "invalidates the veracity" of the rest of the document. The shadow foreign secretary, Michael Ancram, called for a cabinet minister to oversee government information on Iraq.

Even before the latest row some Whitehall officials were protesting that MI6 and other intelligence material was being used selectively by Downing Street. A well-placed source made it clear that the dossier had been the work of Downing Street and the Coalition Information Centre, the body set up after September 11 to put the US-British case on the war against terrorism. The source dismissed a key section of the dossier as full of "silly errors".

Glenda Jackson, the Labour former minister, was one of several MPs to protest that the government was misleading parliament and the public. "And of course to mislead is a parliamentary euphemism for lying," Ms Jackson told Radio 4's Today programme.

Dr al-Marashi expressed "surprise" at the lack of a credit for his work, as did other authors whose research was quickly identified. One anti-war group, Voices in the Wilderness, identified a passage from No 10's September dossier directly traceable to Saddam Secrets, a book by Tim Trevan published in 1999.

The Middle East Review of International Affairs, from which Dr al-Marashi's work was lifted, is based in Israel, which makes it a suspect source to even moderate Arab opinion, and another reason why the origin of the information should have been listed.

In Whitehall one official who regularly sees MI6 reports said that Britain's knowledge about Iraq until recently had been very poor. But another claimed there has been a recent transformation: "What has happened in the last nine months is that there is now strong intelligence coming through."


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Disturbing reports

The government has issued three reports in the past six months, trying to establish a case for action against Iraq. Each one has drawn progressively more criticism.

The material was damning, but most of it turned out to be years old. British journalists in Baghdad visited several "facilities of concern" highlighted in the report and found nothing sinister. UN weapons inspectors later visited the same sites and uncovered nothing.


read full article ..if link doesnt work please pm me i will send you full text..fly

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84. nobody better tell me rethugs support the troops!!

i am sick of rethugs saying they are the only ones who support the troops...thats bull!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this information was all over the world..and many of us dems were demanding powell to recant what he said at the un, because it was total lies!!
these were republican lies..lies to war...and anyone who tells me Powell is anything but a murdering so called General i will spit on the ground in front of them!!

i had the opportunity right before * started his war of lies sitting on a beach and speaking with General Schwarzkopf about the impending war, and even he admitted Powell lied!

and General Schwarzkopf told me he disagreed with * going to war in Iraq..he said it would be a terrible mistake!

Powell is a bold faced liar..but of the worst degree..he is a soldier..and he put soldiers into a war of lies, but he was the liar that put the troops there !!

i hope his eternity is in hell!! he deserves nothing better!

and don't tell me people at du or dems don't support the troops , it was we who did everything we could to expose the lies by the republicans who put our troops into war based on factless lies!!
and manufactured bullshit intelligence ..like a plagerized 12 yr old college kids dissertation paper!! Powell ..you knew ...it was all bullshit you lying sac of crap!! go to hell powell!!
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85. hypocrite conserv yellow ribbons

don't tell me there are any conservs who support the troops..don't even try to tell me that..and dont dare tell me conservs support the vets!!

they are all freaking liars!!

you support the troops before ever putting them into harms way..not after!! you educate yourself to whats really going on ..before ..not after you have sent them to war to become veterans!!

you don't < make veterans> based on lies!!! thats treason to your troops and to your nation when you ignore the lies before you send one soldier to war!

this vetswife person ( who i do not know) insults all of us but more important she insults vets when she aligns herself with the very people who put our troops into war based on lies..you can sugar coat it anyway you want..but that is indeed the facts!!

to support * the same person who lied us into war and put our troops and our kids lives on the line for nothing but bold faced lies.is treason!!! and a treasonable offence to our troops!!
this same liar in theif in our white house who submitted a cut in vet benefits 3 days after he sent our troops to war ,a baseless lie of a war..who the hell does that lady think she is kidding??

she no more supports the vets than the conservs who will use the lives of our bravest for their own greed!

i am not impressed that she showed a pic of herself with max cleland..,i did a speaking engagement with him during the campaign and i can tell you he wholeheartedly despises what * did putting our kids in this lie of a war!! and he despises what * is doing to vets, and he doespises what the conservs are doing to vets!!

bullshit is bullshit no matter how you try to dress it up!!

fly

[peacetalksforall]

82. Don't forger who he is - a former Iran-Contra operative...I don't think

he's that innocent about the agenda, the players, the goals, the manipulation, the deciet.

No, I have NO PITY (until the day someone I trust says they swer that he was out of the loop.)

[BiggJawn]

88. Try more Astroglide, Colon....

You won't be so sore after a while.
Surprised you hadn't figured that out after 4 years of taking Cheney and Rumsferatu up the poop-chute....

[Rex]

89. So do we indite him?

He just admitted to giving false testimony in order to start a real war! Isn't THAT a crime? Funny, I don't remember him saying ANYTHING to the UN about intelligence sometimes can be a lie...so why present it as FACT?

[bleever]

90. No pity. But I'll walk on his back,

with golf spikes, if that will help him get his soul back if he promises to do right by history and tell the whole truth.

[pauliedangerously]

91. Sore?? He should be ASHAMED

He knew that speech was bullshit, but he gave it anyway. No, I'm sorry Mr. Powell, sore doesn't cut it.

[driver8]

92. I agree...he should be ashamed.

He lied to the UN and, in effect, lied to the American people. He knew it was a lie but didn't have the spine to stand up to the neocons. He told the lies that allowed the rethugs to begin their war crimes...he's got a lot of blood on those hands.

Fuck you Powell -- you made your bed, lie in it you spineless piece of shit.

[clem_c_rock]

94. Let's just say If we knew they were all lies, he definitely did.

He's just mad he had to present them.

[harlinchi]

95. A little out-dated but it still tickles the funny bone...

Sung to the tune of the theme from "The Beverly Hillbillies":

How we follow Bush will lead the country straight to hell.
He lied to tilt at windmills and found cats for us to bell.
His disconcerting ramblings should give the country pause,
Since when the facts were known we found it was for the wrong cause.
Saddam, that is. Not bin Laden.

Dick Cheyney's actions as our veep should be a huge disgrace.
Our dollars go to his old firm while he smirks in our face.
He sees no problem spending lives be they girls or boys,
In places all throughout the world for Halliburton's toys.
Oil rigs, pipelines.

The misuse of Powell was an embarrassment to me.
He chooses all his words and deeds so very carefully.
But the choice that he got wrong was an important one...
...Running the State Department for the first George Bush's son.
Shrub, that is. MBA..

The arrogance of Rumsfeld is measured in lives lost.
He tells us everything is fine but he won't tell the cost.
He parries questions from the press; they reproduce his bile,
While Rumsfeld irritates us with that condescending smile.
Sh!t-eating grin. Empire.