Why do so many Freepers PRETEND to be Dems?

[Enraged_Ape]

You see it all the time, right here in this forum, where the occasional hit-and-run Freeper can make an outrageously horseshit statement like "I am an Independent but have voted Republican all my life" or "I'm a registered Democrat who voted for Bush every time".

You hear it on talk radio too, where about 50% of all Freeper assholes are compelled to say something similar to the above. Just the other night I was listening to Jerry Springer's show and some idiot entangled himself in the same lie; after saying that he was a hardcore Democrat until the last election cycle, he immediately proceeded to bash the Clintons for the next 15 minutes.

So why don't these assclowns just tell the truth about who they are and how they vote, and why? Why don't they just come out and say, "I have been a registered Republican for all of my voting life, as were my parents before me, and I would vote to have my daughters sold into sexual slavery in Tikrit if Bush asked it of me"?

I have a theory about it. I think that they know that Republican ideology is diseased. I think they know that neoconservatism is morally bankrupt and, in fact, evil. I think these people absolutely cannot, in their most private moments, reconcile the Republican mindset with what they have learned all their life is good and just. And so they just have to pretend that they're NOT really Republicans and have just recently tuned in with SOME of the things the Republican party stands for. In the meantime, however, they like the greed. They like the killing. They like the hate. They like every nasty thing about the Republican party but are deathly ashamed to admit it.

[mogster]

1. They dream of becoming real people

Probably. Hopefully, some of our liberalism rubs off on them.

Hey freeper reading this - you're contaminated now! :+

[FM Arouet666]

8. Silly goose, freepers can't read.

They have mommy read the web page to them, stroking their hands, telling them what good little bigots they are. :evilgrin:

[mogster]

20. Aw, I forgot

Well, let's make it easier for them WITH CAPITAL LETTERS:

HEY FREEPERS, DON'T SPEND TO MUCH TIME HERE - YOU MAY CATCH IT TOO! YOU'LL THINK IT'S NOTHING FIRST, BUT BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU'LL START TO LIKE PEOPLE AROUND YOU AND EVEN CARE ABOUT THEM.
DON'T SAY WE DIDN'T WARN YA!

[forgethell]

28. Then, wouldn't

mommy be a freeper also? So, how can she read?

[mogster]

37. Damn

I think we got ourselves a hen-and-egg situation here.

Should we ask the guys with the big foreheads? :crazy:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

79. Naaah, too contrived. More mundane explanation: they do this on purpose...

...to give their rhetoric some oomph.

"See? The Democrat Party is so out of touch with America even faithful members are leaving!"

Old trick actually. For example, many RW trolls here at DU use it too.

[benburch]

2. Clenis envy

They just wish a girl as cute as Monica would play "hide the badger" with them! If they want oral sex, they have to pay their cousin a six-pack for it.

[RetroLounge]

52. "pay their cousin a six-pack for it"

LOL!

RL

[w13rd0]

3. Deception...

...is a primary mode of operation for those that know they have to manipulate and lie to create the illusion of popular support. The majority don't support their policies, even among those that vote for them. But they keep their base ignorant and uncurious, and then ride roughshod over all of us. Deception is at the very core of the Bush Republican.

ON EDIT: It's a very "Talibornagain" mentality. Convinced of the "rightness" and "godliness" of their annointed leaders, the ends justify the means. Problem of course is that most of them don't even know what those "ends" are, they just convince themselves their leaders share their vision of the "ends". That's why they can carry out a conspiracy without appearing to do so, each fanatic or cell of fanatics operates autonomously, apart from waiting for their talking points and marching orders.

[KharmaTrain]

16. Their Game Is To Pretend They Know Our Game

I hear the "I used to be a Democrat" crap constantly. Many I consider to be the "old guard"...the segregationists and "old south" or "old labor" (families where a father or grandfather was labor, but little or no membership, participation since). Somehow by claiming they were a "Democrat" 20 or 40 years ago...or at least someone in their family was...this gives them some divine providence into all issues.

I joke that if Lincoln were alive today, he'd probably say "I used to be a Repugnican"...the same goes for Teddy Roosevelt.

My take is these are the same types who claim to be "born agains"...as though the first half of their lives...whatever "sins" they feel they've committed, are totally absolved by this "article of faith". It's also a major tip-off that this person is a hypocrite supreme and their grasp of most issues are purely knee-jerk with little substance or fact to back up their opinions.

When I hear that "I used to be a Democrat" line, I like to reply "good thing you aren't anymore". I get many a double-take as they, in their own arrogant world, think I really want their approval. I'm glad to explain, I really don't...and neither do their handlers. At least I'll say it straight up.

[Cary]

54. "as they. . . think I really want their approval."

I only edited because the whole quoted didn't fit in the title.

I think you've isolated the truly interesting, and salient, point of all of this.

I listen to Sean Hannity, in my car, every once in awhile because we don't get Air America here. Only in small doses, of course. But he's really, really big on "Hannitizing" people.

[KharmaTrain]

56. Greetings Chicagoan

First...Air America should be here fulltime on April 1st on 1690AM and you can hear it fairly well at night right now on 1530AM.

Pardon the generalization, but one major trait in Repugnicans...especially the ditto-head variety...is a low self-esteem. These are the types that always need to show how much they know, how much they earn, what they just bought, me, me, me...but it's because they feel someone is doing better and that bothers them. This opens the doors to the phobias and ignorance that just compound their conflicted self-image.

I listen to InSannity for the giggles. A friend once invented a game that works great on this show, Rushbo and any other wingnut hate head...just replace Repugnican with Democrat...Liberal with Conservative...Clinton with Bunnypants and so on...turn their rheteoric 180 degrees...it can be very amusing.

Cheers

[Cary]

61. Thanks Kharma

1530AM. Didn't know they were on here at all. I've been streaming them from time to time.

Low self-esteem is as good of an explanation as any.

Don't know if I can handle your game, because I can't handle more than 5 minutes of InSannity at any one sitting.

[tsuki]

63. They were Dixiecrats. And they hate when I call them that.

[Just Me]

35. The majority don't support neoCONs' policies.

Yep. I completely agree.

That's why the neoCONs and right-wing radicals lie their asses off.

It's disgusting.

[forgethell]

36. Yep,

ignorance will beat knowledge every time. <sarcasm off>.

We will never again beat the Repukes until we get over the idea that they don't know what they are doing. They do. They are every bit as intelligent as we are. They think they are right and we are wrong because they have a totally different and internally logically consistent world-view and value system, just as we do.

Until we give up thinking we can condescend them to death, and start thinking about why they are really winning, or at least keeping it close enough to steal, we will not make the necessary corrections to our political strategy and tactics.

For the record, I think Howard Dean is going to be a great asset to the Democratic party in his current position. For one thing, he is aggressive and really loves the Democratic party. For a second, I believe the man is intelligent enough to change direction once he has proven to himself that the current road is going nowhere. Or perhaps I am wrong and it just takes the right man to run the machine and he can make it work. Either way, the Democrats can only gain. IMHO.

[seabeyond]

55. because they are preying on people

they literally absolutely prey on people and their fears. how do you combat that. they took religion and dirtified it by preaching to their people if they dont vote bush, jesus will know and when they die they will go to hell

one way or another, these sheep are going to just have to learn themselves

they prey on the macho male to not feel wimpy

they prey on the religious house wife in the patriotical father figure, to women that dont know their own power., they dont need a daddy to make their choices

[forgethell]

69. Please

reread my post and respond to it. This screed does not address anything that I said.

[seabeyond]

78. i beg to differ

k, so yes they are intelligent. a given. they are people. people are people. a party doesnt dictate the intelligence. there is an average and you have the above and below average

what is the intelligence used in by the republican party. it appears they do not use the intelligence to resolve, it seems they use their intelligence to control. opinion

so i am assuming you are talking in recognizing they are intelligent you are speaking in their way of controlling environment to create the ability to get the vote, or close enough to have it stolen. this is what you are wanting to address. so in that, i see you have to address how they are controlling vast numbers of people to not look at fact, just do what they say and vote for them. hence i go to all and i mean every person in my life and community is republican, i go to all of them and see why they refuse to go for information, yet go to the talking points of repug with all their intelligence

working ass of to understand. to suggest, lol i dont have a willingness or i dont put in the time to understand both the christian and the republican and the texas male and ya female. they are different. why i ask. cause we are all people, so why are they seeing differently

so

[forgethell]

80. Maybe it's just me

but I didn't understand one word of that. Consider me to be monolingual and write it in Engllish, please.

[seabeyond]

81. naaaa, why bother n/t

[forgethell]

83. Suit yourself n/t

[stepnw1f]

59. "keep winning"?

Try ELECTION FRAUD with lying to people and corporate controlled media to boot. I don't buy your premise that they are as intelligent, because their ends do not justify the means.

Intelligence would prevent this administration from operating the way it does. Do you see them doing anything to prevent the mess these assholes are creating for EVERY American? Do they realise the reprecussions of this administrations actions? Do they even know what this administration is doing. When I encounter a DITTO HEAD, they seem to exist in a fiction filled reality. Funny thing is, they attain their information from the same places. Now... yes. that is consistent. Consistently stupid and ignorant.

Sneaky? YES. Intelligent? Hell no. Try ignorant!

BTW- ignorance overrides most senses, therefore they are not brave, just stupid.

Like a drunk... they think they can handle the drive.

[forgethell]

68. Well, we

seem to disagree. I think as long as we think "election fraud", we will not face the fact that we LOST, and make the necessary corrections to our strategy and tactics. Maybe even grand strategy.

[Jokinomx]

4. Good Question....

I really think they DON'T want to know the truth. They have to go out of their way to support the "moral" values party they belong.

Many times it is that the life they live is a good one... don't rock the boat...put the head in the sand and leave things alone.

Its sad... but true.

[BlueManDude]

5. The most effective attacks from from "within"

It's just a political tactic to make your point even stronger - "I'm a Democrat and even I belive that George W. Bush is a god amongst men".

I hear it on CSPAN all the time.

[ultraist]

15. I agree

They post here thinking they can sway people. And they sometimes do. They more they can get others to validate their "Christian' or pro RW ideas, the more they feel powerful and victorious. Moles have an agenda but I think it's primarily a personal power trip for them.

[FM Arouet666]

6. I think you hit it on the head

I think that many realize that the republican party is a selfish, greedy, and hate filled party, but try to justify support by making it out to be the lesser of two evils. So as not to appear extremist, they feign a prior support of democratic ideals.

The GOP hate machine is very good at contrasting the two parties. Acknowledging that the GOP is not perfect, but at least they are not immoral, atheistic, gay loving, anti-christian, anti-military, anti-America etc etc etc..... People are believing this nonsense, and feel that a vote for Satan is better than the alternative. But deep inside, they have second thoughts. Some how the democratic party needs to capitalize on this.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. Howard Dean said

even the Republicans can't stand the Republicans in power.

[seabeyond]

7. know that neoconservatism is morally bankrupt and, in fact, evil.

i sit here in thought, having so many freepers around me. i know, with certainty that they have created such a story for themselves. they refuse to see fact. they insist on buying a story, and demand i do too, lol

a liar, a real liar is without conscience. this is what i have had to come to. i have just learned not a damn reason for me to lie. doing that, gosh the freedom. so, to look at a liar without conscience. i think it makes them feel smarter. i think they dont feel smart. (and why would they think they are smart. everything about them is dont be smart. proud of lack of education. proud of not reading. proud of single minded.) yet all these things decry lack of smart. they can lie, but self recognizes, knows, is a duh. i cant tell you how many times my brother says, you people think i am a knuckle draggin ape. that is called mirroring. he sees himself as a knuckle draggin ape. bush certainly does. look at the way he f*in walks, lmao. now i have never said he is, he is the one that keeps telling me he is. he says a talking point and always goes to; now, i am fair and balanced. and demands i agree. i sit there with a smile and give him the other side. then he gets pissed, you people he starts, are so one sided, see. cant talk to you. interesting

so in the action of freeper to come in and lie. and no one says, hey, i know you, you are on freeper site and just here to create chaos

they feel a win. victory.

so, i sit back and say, what........what kind of game is that. i dont want to play that game, it is stupid. i am as cometitive as the next guy. gonna play the game, i want a fairer playing field or i dont play. but they are all in giggle they got past you, about peeing pants

so i am sitting thinking of this freeper, ( i am NOT talking vetwife. i dont call her freeper, though she is a freeper in the making it seems to me) cause i have two brothers and a father that does this to me all the time. the more i understand, the more i sit back in smile, and silly you.

thank you for making me think. went here a little last nite to understand

[Deja Q]

9. Many Repukes hate * and still voted for him anyway. A prime example is:

Radio DJ Tom Barnard (KQRS FM) was frustrated with * and said so often on his show; in 2004 he voted for * again anyway as, despite it all, he still made idiot claims that John Kerry would raise your taxes "a million percent", and other outright rubbish lies or exaggerations.

So they may whine and complain, but they feel that more of the same is better than ANYTHING different. Especially if they might have to pay even one penny.

They are proof our society is dead. Each 'man' for himself.

More power to them when everything crashes. Repukes want this 'individual responsibility' crap, then when the remaining people band together to survive, they need to write "I am an example of individual responsibility" of every repuke's tombstone.

[Cary]

11. It's still us versus them.

That's how they view it.

[Deja Q]

26. Well, we deserve to survive. We're about society. They are for only

themselves, even if they vote for their own.

[Cary]

53. They can't "defeat" us.

Of course we will "survive" in one form or another. It takes only a wee bit of an understanding of history to know this is true.

When it comes down to it, the picture still looks like this:

45% them; 45% us, 10% undecided.

[Cary]

10. Evangelism is part of their disgusting ideology.

They're proselytizing us. They want to convert us. They can't stand this place because we we are pretty darn good at policing it and cleansing it of their filthy ideology. Bothers the shit out of them, too.

They have played a pretty slick number on the media and they're going after academia big time.

I would have thought they would have over-reached by now. I can't wait until they finally do it.

[seabeyond]

13. "Evangelism ...... and i have learned about this for the last

5 years. you are right. i am getting this. they literally teach them how to be a freeper. they say use jesus to lie and this is how

really amazing. so no wonder they dont have conscience in lie. they are absolved. i have learned thru children. once you can label a person not a christian, you can stone them, in group and ugly

tis ok. as a matter of fact jesus is in the crowd stoning.

how silly is that my fellow christians. about tells me, these people have f*ed up in view

god you guys are good

[bush_is_wacko]

12. I think you are missing an important point...

the Republican's USED to represent a few decent people. I know that is RARELY if ever the case NOW. The thing that has always repulsed me about them is their lack of interest in human and civil rights, but they did used to represent an ideal that rang true for SOME people. Less government. I agree with less government, kind of. Why should our government prop up a failing industry like Amtrak? Why should our government endlessly give a blank check to the airlines industry to keep them from going bankrupt? The industry is the damn problem, our government should tell them to get their own affairs in order and assure them they will not be given one more thin dime. Instead they allow CEO's and "industry leaders" to bilk their own damn companies out of money! When they come crawling to the government to bail their companies out the government does it. The Republican party used to, at least, tell their members their goals were to END that kind of bailout. Did they ever really even attempt to do that? NO, but Republicans THOUGHT they would. That is what hooked them.

The reason they don't admit they are Republican is that deep down, they realize the party has LIED to them at every turn, but they don't want to give up hope that THEIR party will DO something to end the abuse of corporate America.

With that description in mind you can move on to the NASCAR, redneck crowd. Those people never really pay attention to what the government actually does. They just heard an ideal reflected in the words of a die hard Republican about fiscal responsibility and less government and thought "I'm for that!"

And then of course you have a bunch of people that have been brainwashed by their church leaders into believing Republican's hold some sort of MORAL HIGH GROUND. WE all know that is not the case, but how in the heck would any of these die hard fundies have the time to research this? Their churches have provided them with endless amounts of "events" to attend. churches now hold concerts, counseling sessions, private schools with sports teams. They ask their parishioners to give them EVERY bit of their spare time! It keeps them ignorant!

They don't call themselves Republican because they can't give you anything other than their church party line and they know they can't argue any valid points because their church hasn't given them any.

[seabeyond]

22. my father good honest respectable excellent

example of a human being. repugs grabbed him by the balls and took him in the macho male fox arnie bushie.........

my father

i told him the other day, months after election. months after pulling boys, in middle of school year, from the shcool they went to for 6 years, a private fundamentalist christian school

i told him, i resent that i cant talk about the things your grandson learned, and how excellent he stood in integrity. you dont allow me to share this, because it butts up against your politics. and that i resent and it is sad

finally just a couple weeks he shut his mouth and let me talk.

this is the man that raised me, knows me, taught me

talking local politics, an election for mayor (female), commissioner (black democrat) in the panhandle of texas. he is voting for the two, to let me know his flexibility.

i say, i need to get in the democratic party this spring and get to work

i literally felt the energy of what he was going to say before he said it. you cant do that, your husbands business..........

and he petered out.................i tell him, that pisses me off so and left it at that

we know all these people. a mayoral tug going on. the state senator is out of this town. the woman running, was married to my husbands partner. my father knows the other mayor running. he owns chain of businesses in town

now, i ask. we lived in california and clearly everyone knew faher a repug and he didnt have to hide it

we live in texas, and the repug insist i hide it or suffer

i might have to challenge that

[crispini]

29. don't hide.

I live in Texas and I wore my Kerry button to work every day in the month before the election. Nobody gave me any shit.

[seabeyond]

34. that is what i just realized in a post before. this is fun

k so listen, lol lol. i dont hide. everyone knew. nov 3rd and 4th i pulled kids out of school adn let them play. people knew why. i told them. i felt to allow them to go to school would go to putting them in an abusive environment. no one argued. no one said i was being extreme

also, any kerry bumpersticker i see, and they are out there. i stop or go after the person, and literally interact with them. most men. i start with i love you

bah hahahahahaha

and no i dont keep quiet

[crispini]

38. I haven't seen you in the Texas forum, have I?

You should come by. Lots of local action and state related news! It's a great little forum.

[seabeyond]

49. i am, in time

thank you for the reminder it is there.

[bush_is_wacko]

46. I don't keep quiet either, but my husband does and his mother does

and my parents do and my cousin does and my uncle does. It is all about personality. They think I'm some sort of rare being to be able to OUT myself publicly. I tell them constantly, "Who gives a shit what the neighbors think?"

The one Republican party member of the family offered no legitimate reason to vote for bush and the entire family was in hysterics when he said he voted for bush because "Kerry threw his medals away and protested the Vietnam war!" His own damn brother VOLUNTEERED and re-upped three times for that war, came home a broken man, and promptly THREW HIS MEDALS AWAY! The medals were retrieved by my grandfather and have been hidden among family members every since that day. The one (republican) uncle has no idea the medals EVEN exist and the other (Vietnam vet) has no idea they have been hiding in a safety deposit box for the past ten years. My father will NEVER tell his brother he has these medals because he knows my uncle will demand they be crushed beneath a steam roller!

Needless to say, I find that most Republicans willing to proclaim their political affiliation out loud have no idea what their party represents, why they vote the way they do, or whether or not their beliefs are truly represented by the party. When presented with evidence they call it propaganda. They don't bother to look for themselves. However, when you get a hold of one that sits on the fence and thinks for themselves, their arguments quickly wane once they are given enough information to show them the error of their beliefs. They no longer speak out nor do they willingly admit they are Republican. If you are noticing this trend I would venture to say those people may be fence sitters who have been provided with information that made them think.

I haven't had any bricks thrown through my window. I have yet to run across a thug that really has a point to make that can't be refuted by simply providing them with FACTS about the party record for the last 30 years or doesn't look like a complete idiot when they state a reason they voted the way they did. Fundies are particularly vulnerable right now because there is CLEAR evidence their "moral values" are about to be tested. They are in a snit over Gannon.

[seabeyond]

48. you are so right on, lol

you are so right on.

i was talking to husbands friend, a middle age texas male, starting up his own business. telling him, this is a good community for husband to be able to grow and expand. but it is really hard to live here, for me.

why we love you .........he says. they all do

it is hard i say

but we are nice people right.....

not when you say i am not christian because i vote kerry

this man was surprised. he asks, that bothers you

lol lol yaaaaa.........

i am raising two boys. i had one ask a teacher last year, is my mom a good christian. he knows, wasnt for him, he wanted to see what the teacher said

he got quiet, and has been quiet since.

it is hard to live here, for me. these are men and women that know me, know i am nice and good and feel the shame, once they think

[farmbo]

14. Page 3 in the NeoCon Playbook: "Gain instant empathy and credibility...

...with your target by falsely asserting that you too were once a democrat, and that you have since seen the light and embraced the conservative cause."

(This is right after the chapter: "Let a Straw man do Your Talking" and right before the "When in Doubt, It's Clinton's Fault", chapter)

[Nimrod]

17. A way of lending credibility

The lines are so stiffly drawn now, it's hard to make a point without being called biased (of COURSE we're biased, by definition everyone is about everything). So the "I'm a Democrat, BUT..." or "I'm straight, BUT..." or "I support the troops, BUT..." is a (in my opinion weak) method of lending credibility to yourself.

[robbedvoter]

18. The "lifetime Democrat" gambit - I voted for Gore, but W looked at me

and presto changeo..." It started as a C-Span routine (well, it may be older, but that was organized+ astroturfed) in 2001. MWO had a letter writing contest: write as a lifetime Republican. Produced some really good stuff.

[ElectroPrincess]

23. Yes, but it's so obvious on CSPAN ...

Republicans, as a group, suck at acting anything true, save for selfish. "Yeah, I used to be a DemOcrat, but you know what? ..."

Working class Republicans are like *grateful* indentured house servants. They love authority so much, it's enough to just be close to their masters. It's a real sick mindset for somebody to be dirt poor, yet right wing. However, there seems to be a whole slew of them in the evangelical RW, rural areas of the Midwest and the South. All that the Masters have to do to keep these masses' "mindless adoration" is throw a few crumbs of RW social justice, payola to the mouthpieces, and authorize them to viscerally HATE and ostracize some marginalized group ... now it's both the gays and so called abortionists. I wonder who's next if this sh*t continues to catch on with the ignorant Corporate fed sheeple and we're left with a ONE party government?

[Longgrain]

21. I'm not sure but I remember around the time of the Kerry campaign

there was a lot of talk about Republicans for Kerry, there was even a Yahoo group devoted to it. I seem to remember a few DU posters who even admitted to being repukes but were so fed up with * they were going for Kerry...

I wonder where those guys are today?

[blondeatlast]

27. One of them is still here; I think he's permanently come to the light. nt

[seabeyond]

31. what it seems to me that has happened

in this area about oct, the republicans put tail between leg and ears down. for real. there was not sticker, the enthusiasm was with the democrat, we had finnaly climbed on top. kerry stickers and signs were up

after the election. w stickers on cars. and rapture. was like they went to church, were told the way it was, put the sticker on the car and get going. taking over. got scary here literally adn when i pulled kids out of scool. end of nov. the confederate flag came out. literally

[Bouncy Ball]

73. Oh I think most of them were pretty sincere

and they are either voting Dem now or feel they are without a party.

Some are here, as authentic DUers.

[ScreamingMeemie]

24. I really don't care enough to think about it to much.

:hi:

[blondeatlast]

25. They think it gives them credibility with us. Just look at Colmes,

Zell Miller, etc.

They have this bizarre idea we are as easily led as the opposition.

[lonestarnot]

30. I think you are right. But I don't think you are crediting ego enough.

The sneaky nature of a freep, of saying one thing and being another is schizophrenic. Consider people at work or school who play along with the group for acceptance and the moment they have a chance to gain notoriety or brownie points with the boss for their own benefit, they jump right on it to the group's detriment. So goes their political world. Afraid to be what they don't want to admit they are. Cowards! So they put on their masks to avoid confronting themselves, avoid bringing that ego into line, thereby not being accepted by the group they are pretending to be a member of as they can't let go of their need to appear superior. They are castigated by self, because self gets a glimpse of self every now and then. They are accepted by the group they really don't want to be accepted by as their is no promotion, reward, or benefit that really fills the void of truly loving self. They then deprive themselves of being loved and connected by members of the group to which they are masquerading for acceptance, because membership is always a step away from attainable. They become sneaky and duoistic (literary license LOL). This allows them to vote against themselves whenever it comes to a vote in any given situation. And there you have a sick ass freep.

[DoYouEverWonder]

32. They're practicing

so they can pretend to be Dems, when they go to old people's houses to help them fill out their absentee ballots.

I know the Repugs did this is FL, where they targeted elderly, usually black and preferably illiterate people to help them 'vote.

[opihimoimoi]

33. They are infected with Loloitis. Unable to reason nor rhyme, they

wander around until brainwashed by the Reptilians who also are infected themselves.... you know, the blind leading the blind thingy.

They do not use reason, common sense, logic, mathematics, etc....not even rhymes, in making decisions...

They use intuition and gut feelings, emotions, and/or pig/chicken entrails to guide their decisions.

Come, we go find a cure for LOLOs....its all across America and the World, in all levels and all tribes too.

[forgethell]

39. Oh, I don't know.

The Romans built a tremendous empire using animal entrails to guide their decisions.:D

[opihimoimoi]

40. In the end, they lost and are reduced to making love, singing, and

creating Operas.....

[forgethell]

43. Only after

hundreds of years.

In the end, all civilizations, like people, die. With the possible exception of China.

[tsuki]

64. Yea, but we've tried that with OxyRush, and it ain't working.

[Misunderestimator]

41. Interesting... Kind of like bigots who pretend not be racist because they

know it's wrong on some level... oh yeah, they're pretty much the same people.

[ChairOne]

42. bam /eom

[seabeyond]

44. but i am nw hearing in my community, now with bush reelection

they are allowed to be racist. they have the right to say it out loud. they are proud adn they bask in it. has been an amazing twist

[kbm8170]

45. They view themselves as perpetually in a war

of some kind, including against their own citizens...and not even biblical scripture applies to them if they practice deception in order to gain advantage. It's one of the quaint ways of saying "sin is okay" as long as it's justified.

[ComerPerro]

47. I used to use Brand X until I made the switch

Same shit.

Its not true. They are just trying to make it seem like the Dems aren't as good as the Repubs. That's why they had to "convert".

[Orangepeel]

50. they think it will get under your skin

and make you worry that you are turning off your base.

[porkrind]

51. I think they're comfortable with lying

both telling and recieving. To them, it's not about the welfare of society, it's about them winning or changing society to meet their personal ideology. For republicans, it's always about them and who cares about others.

[oasis]

57. As Henry Higgins would say, "Why can't a Freeper be more like a Dem?

We are more well read and wiser than them.
Dems are more gracious when winning a spat
Why can't a Freeper...be more like that?"

Eliza, where the devil are my slippers? :crazy:

[tinonedown]

58. They can't admit who they really are

It's the old man behind the curtain analogy. Once revealed, the whole conservative concept crumbles. So they sneak, mislead, lie, cheat, etc.

[Ivan Sputnik]

60. They think by pretending to be Dems

who voted for Bush, they can encourage wavering Dems to join the Dark Side. "I did it, so it's OK for you to do it too. Join our happy club."

[tsuki]

62. It is strange. I am the first to admit that I am a fiscally conservative

Democrat. Don't have credit card debt; don't want my government to have credit card debt.

But, I will never say that I am a Republican. Nope, could not do. Will never do.

So, why do freepers claim they are Democrats? The Republican Party is the party of liars? The Republican Party thinks the point it makes will be more acceptable if they claim they are Democrats? The Republican Party is full of strange people?

I don't know. Maybe, all of the above.

[Lorien]

65. In the case of those coming to DU

I think your statement is correct; something tells them that this regime really IS evil, but their egos won't permit them to admit it. They come to DU to cherry pick posts, trying to find those that they can strongly disagree with so as to reconcile their position as a supporter of a dangerously anti-American and corrupt regime. To the same end, they start threads which they HOPE will lead to flame wars, because getting pissed off and banned is part of their mission. As long as they can convince themselves that the opposition is worse, they can continue their dance with the Devil.

As another poster said in another thread; our job is to make them see how OUR position fit with their proclaimed values; Freedom, family, a strong economy, respect of the world, privacy, etc. Just calling the assholes or saying "bullshit" to their statements is EXACTLY what they want. Ask them to fully back up their statements, then make them THINK with the facts!

[mr blur]

66. Just so they can see what it's like not to feel like a moran for a while?

[SmokingJacket]

67. Interesting! I've never met a fake Republican.

Who spouts that repub crap all day long, then secretly votes for Kerry?

I think you might be right.

[tom_paine]

70. It is the natural thirst for "cloak and dagger" of the Authoritarian

I cannot speak to the larger psychological issues here, of which there are almost certainly a host of motivations beneath the surface, but in general, that is a desire of the Authoritarian, be they Left or Right.

The idea to be somethinglse, to keep a dark secret, but most importantly, the inner feeling of superiority of the "spy" to his or her "victims" would seem to be like shit to flies for Authoritarians.

Combine that with the diseased sense that one is helping to defeat Enemies of the State and that general natural motivation becomes validation.

Freepers, Nazis, Commies, and other Authoritarians are addicted to Lying and Soying. The fact that they are dealing with Subhuman Traitorous Enemies of the State gives them carte blanche to do it.

That's my take on it.

[American Tragedy]

71. They believe it imposes a sort of non-partisan credibility.

The Nixon 1972 campaign attack ads were erroneously credited to "Democrats For Nixon".

[Bouncy Ball]

72. I think it's funny, too

because I have NEVER pretended to be anything but a full-on Democrat. In fact, I'll tell anyone who wants to know that my parents (all four, including stepparents) have always voted Dem, my grandparents (all deceased now) voted Dem and my GREAT-grandparents all voted Dem. All of them lived and died in Texas.

And we weren't Dixiecrats, either. No one left the party in the 60s or beyond.

My family was all blue-collar people, either working the land as tenant farmers or working in factories. One exception: my maternal grandfather's family were wealthy land-owners (the Depression hardly even affected them) and THEY all voted Dem, too.

I tell people I have never voted for a republican in my life. Not even for city dog catcher. When a local or state race has a republican up against an independent or Green or whatever, I vote for the NON-republican.

The repukes who do that think they are fooling people, which I find hilarious. I mean, come ON. Like our radars don't go off on DEFCOM 10 when you hear someone say "Now I USED to be a Democrat..." and then they go on to say things not even a former Dem would say.

They don't fool anyone. And yeah, it does make them look bad. Looks like they are either totally dishonest, or ashamed of their party or both.

[rman]

74. they could not infiltrate if they'd admit they're far-Right repubs

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[Sparkle]

75. Republican cspan callers do that all the time.

They call and tie up either the Independent line or the Democrat like saying they were an Independent or was a Democrat. A lot of them say they were that up until Clinton was elected, then afterwards they bash the Democrats and don't say shit about repiglicans. It happens all the time...pisses me off.

[booley]

76. they think it gives them credibility

that somehow they can pretend to be "DEMS" who have suddenly seen the light and so appear sympathetic to the actual Dems and Liberals they are talking too..instead of the partisan ignoramasus they actually are.

I've had guy do this to me in person, claiming he was a Dem but he would never vote for any Democrat. (To which I wondered, so how are you a Democrat then?)

This is an old Con-artist trick, try to seem like one of the group that your mark belongs too to get past any cynicism and critical observation. People tend to lower thier mental guard around others they beleive are "Like them".

The Shrubbery does this all the time to "appear" blue coller. I guess cons think we are stupid as they are.

[Enraged_Ape]

82. But it's so transparently bogus

Do they REALLY think the act is fooling anyone? And since it's so easy to see through (in fact, it's insultingly so), doesn't it end up giving them even LESS credibility?

[seabeyond]

84. you would think bushco's lies would too

go figure, a whole new world
:shrug:

[Junkdrawer]

77. Astroturf

When a corporation wants to oppose environmental regulations, or support an environmentally damaging development, it may do so openly and in its own name. But it is far more effective to have a group of citizens or experts -- and preferably a coalition of such groups -- which can publicly promote the outcomes desired by the corporation while claiming to represent the public interest. When such groups do not already exist, the modern corporation can pay a public relations firm to create them.

The use of such 'front groups' enables corporations to take part in public debates and government hearings behind a cover of community concern. These front groups lobby governments to legislate in the corporate interest, to oppose environmental regulations, and to introduce policies that enhance corporate profitability. Front groups also campaign to change public opinion, so that the markets for corporate goods are not threatened and the efforts of environmental groups are defused. Merrill Rose, executive, vice president of the public relations firm Porter/Novelli, advises companies:

Put your words in someone else's mouth... There will be times when the position you advocate, no matter how well framed and supported, will not be accepted by the public simply because you are who you are. Any institution with a vested commercial interest in the outcome of an issue has a natural credibility barrier to overcome with the public, and often with the media.(FN1)


http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/sbeder/PR.html