I would be surprised if Bush had a hand in 911-but not shocked.

[European Socialist]

There were so many with so much to gain, Yet Rumsfeld was in the Pentagon and no Iraqis were on the planes. Is it possible that the plot was just to hi-jack the planes and not crash them-then Bin Laden changed it. Remember Condi saying "We didn't know they were going to crash planes into buildings". Maybe the whole idea was to whip up fear to make it easier to Invade Iraq.

[brainshrub]

1. LIHOP

[EVDebs]

11. Ptech, Saudi software co with FAA and intell access is smoking gun

The whole "New Pearl Harbor" mentality is based upon Robert B. Stinnett's book on FDR and Pearl Harbor foreknowledge (Day of Deceit). Stinnett apparently is a friend of Bush family, who must have felt entitled to 'act accordingly'.

However, Bush is no FDR and FDR knew that keeping the US out of war, while preparing for it, would be the best course. Today we have jingoistic preemptive war as national policy. Not what America needs as the best course of action.

[Me.]

2. Nothing Would Surprise Me With These People

especially after hearing about the 50+ warnings by the FAA (?)

Welcome To DU

[northzax]

3. you wouldn't be shocked?

to learn that the President of the United States conspired with other members of the government on the mass murder of American citizens for poitical gain? That a man who can't complete a sentence somehow orchestrated the biggest cover up in world history?

how callous are you that this wouldn't shock you?

[mattclearing]

7. It's not shocking if you have already accepted the likelihood.

It's 2005 now. This happened three and a half years ago. The effects of that attack are everywhere.

It's obvious who benefitted, and I can tell you that Osama, Mullah Omar, and Muslims everywhere are damn near the bottom of the list.

It was shocking a month after the attacks when it became clear to me that the country had lost its goddamned mind.

Now it's the new normal.

[FloridaPat]

4. Funny thing happened on the way to war games. Seems that on 9-11

FEMA was in New York to do a game involving a castrophe in NYC. At the same time, there were 5 war games going on in our airspace. The military was doing mock exercises to see what would happen if some airplanes were hyjacked. I think they were also suppose to be run into buildings. The amazing thing is, most of our air defense were in the skies with fack ammo. So they couldn't shoot anything down. I believe it was said there were only a couple of air force planes that morning that were able to shoot anything down - 2 or 3. Also of note, the military radar scopes had fake hijacked planes on their scopes. So when the real thing happened, they couldn't tell which were which. I had heard the fake planes were also on the civilian air traffic radar scopes, so the air traffic controllers had no idea which were real and which were fake.

And who was in charge of these exercise games? Cheney.

Does anyone realize the amount of information someone from out of the country would need to get from different air force bases and the air traffic system to put this all together and grab 4 planes and add them to the confusion? This to me is the proof our government was involved. Other proofs are the lengths to which they have gone to hide information about who was involved. For instance, Jeb got all the information about the supposed hijackers that were in Florida going to the flight schools and apartments, etc and shipped it out of the country. The world trade buildings were shipped out of the country before anyone could tell why they came down. The NYC police and firefighters say the buildings were brought down by demolition, but are told to remain quiet. There was enough DNA fromt he pentagon crash to determine there were no Arabs on the plane, but there were no pieces of the plane anywhere.

And I could go on and on. Any investigation into all the pieces of 9-11 only comes back with the following names - Israel and CIA/Bushco.

[Frederik]

5. They knew what was coming

and did nothing. I think that, at least, is well established by now. Whether they also lent the evil-doers a hand remains to be determined. But they certainly let the door wide open and looked the other way.

[Octafish]

6. Here's evidence BUSH KNEW

BUSH KNEW

Did you know he was warned about Osama bin Laden months before 9-11? Before the CIA briefed him at Crawford during his first month-long vacation in August 2001, he had been “forced” to sleep offshore during the G-8 summit in Genoa. The reason: bin Laden threatened to crash the party with a jet plane. This shows, at BEST, Bush's incompetence enabled 9-11. That makes him criminally derelict in his duty as commander-in-chief, an impeachable offense. What’s more likely, based on the results of his leadership in the three years since, Bush just decided to let 9-11 happen as a reason for building up the world’s first sole-superpower police state.

There is no doubt the former counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, National Security Advisor Sandy Berger and President Clinton personally warned the incoming administration of the dangers posed by bin Laden and Al Quaeda.

Later that summer, DCI George Tenet's hair was afire with all the warnings he was getting. How come he didn't get the info about the flight schools from CIA? Perhaps he'duh warned the airlines or even the flying public?

It's most LIKELY Bush's incompetence was the result of willfull ignorance. That requires no stretch of the imagination. Consider the following evidence, from JUNE-JULY 2001:

Plot to assassinate Bush - reports

Bin Laden: Believed to have a network of guerrillas

July 9, 2001 Posted: 9:23 AM EDT (1323 GMT)

MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports.

The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this.

"We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems."

The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit.

Murov -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief bodyguard -- did not elaborate on the threats. He said agents from Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service have travelled to Genoa to coordinate with their counterparts from the other nations taking part in the summit to investigate the threats.

CONTINUED...

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen/


Missiles to protect summit leaders

Special report: globalisation

Rory Carroll in Rome
Wednesday July 11, 2001
The Guardian

Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence.

A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters.

Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia.
Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit.

"They are little missiles ... which only have a deterrent function to discourage any aerial-led attack and they do not present any danger to the residents of the city," he said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html

Then there's John Ashcan who stopped flying commercial in July 2001.

Ashcroft Flying High

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart reports on Aschcroft's travel arrangements.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines." -- FBI spokesman

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

There's a lot more evidence that the guy was warned by the FBI, CIA, FAA, INS, etc. The only intelligence failure sits on Bush's shoulders.

[Old and In the Way]

14. He also had a SAM battary with him in Florida at resort he stayed at

on the evening of 9/10. Someone must have been thinking about planes as weapons....

[Octafish]

29. Not Condescenda. The late Jim Hatfield, though...

...had hijacked jetliners on his mind when he wrote his last article, back in July 2001:

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield
 
Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?

CONTINUED...

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

Thanks for the reminder about the turd's Florida stay. I'd plum forgotten the SAMs. So much to remember when it comes to the BFEE's treason, it's almost impossible to keep track without a computer or a few good friends.

[puddycat]

8. I think he knew about it, but didn't expect the buildings to collapse

Basically it was allowed to happen. Anyone who watches Bush's reaction when sitting in that Fla classroom will realize that there must be a reason why he alone in the USA did NOTHING when he heard the news. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that he knew the attack would happen.

[Sanity Claws]

9. why he did nothing

Bush was basically a puppet and no one had told him what to do yet. Do you remember how pre-9/11, he kept taking vacations? He was leaving the business of running the government to others. He had no vision thing until after 9/11 when people gave him his WMD illusion. Now he has the "liberty, freedom" chant.

[bpilgrim]

17. no engineer would expect them to collapse but they were PULLED.

and fell in their own footprint something no building does in responce to a 'random' chaotic force.

what happened to wtc7
http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/wtc7.swf
http://shadowgov.info/video_wtc7.html

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[omulcol]

25. Agree entirely, and

It's evident the man isn't capable of dreaming up 9.11 himself, and is unquestionably a puppet to a more powerful force than he'll ever ascend to.

I've studied his face also in that classroom - and can only read in his face the words, " They've done it "

It doesn't matter whether it was organised by the Admin' or the result of a political warning ( Israel ?) -- his expression in no way reveals shock ...( or anger, come to think of it ) ...... and this does betray prior knowledge by him.

It is no coincidence that , 9.11, a name forever symbolic to an historic outrage, happened the same day that military exercises were occuring - effectively providing cover for a real assignment on the civilian population.
Many say, " Never "! " The American government would never kill their own people", but their minds work on the basis that IF it were a REAL event ... those lives would be lost anyhow. It's a Sick and disgusting doctrine, but true all the same.

When one reads ALL the evidence relative to 9.11 - and there's plenty of it from expert authorites - it's an obvious conclusion it was not planned and orchestrated by a group of fanatic Muslim terrorists.

Hijacking an aeroplane and crashing it - is one thing .... but to interfere with sophisticated military and civilian radar systems and computers - including the ability to fool so many experienced aviation, & Defence experts - is another.
In reality I doubt terrorists could even successfully change the transponder codes let alone find & hit the WTCs !

[JohnyCanuck]

10. How to spot a liar.

Flash presentation from www.takebackthemedia.com (make sure the volume is turned up on your speakers)

http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20040602042541829

[BuyingThyme]

12. It's called Operation Northwoods...

No speculation required.

[Al-CIAda]

13. Video stream 9-11 false flag operation-

The 9/11-False Flag Operation
An operation years in the making - video
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2004/04/103866.mov

[indigonation]

15. Today is the 72nd anniversary of the Reichstag firebombing...

If you haven't seen it already, this is a MUST READ in light of your thoughts...

When Democracy Failed, by Thom Hartmann
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0222-22.htm

<snip>
February 27, 2005, is the 72nd anniversary of Dutch terrorist Marinus van der Lubbe's successful firebombing of the German Parliament (Reichstag) building, the terrorist act that catapulted Hitler to legitimacy and reshaped the German constitution. By the time of his successful and brief action to seize Austria, in which almost no German blood was shed, Hitler was the most beloved and popular leader in the history of his nation. Hailed around the world, he was later Time magazine's "Man Of The Year."

<snip>

The hawks have been planning this since the 1960s. There is a lot of money at stake, what's a few thousand people...
You know, the means justifies the ends.

[bpilgrim]

16. Means, Motive and OPPORTUNITY -> neoCONs are GUILTY

that whole horrid attack took almost 2 fucking hours to unfold and yet NONE of our leadership even REACTED.

now NONE us can say with certainty how we may have reacted in their position though we all can say with CERTAINTY that we would have at the very least REACTED.

SOP was circumvented and only those in position of authority could change such important and automatic rules.

peace

[JohnyCanuck]

22. And the secret service let Bush sit on his

ass for half an hour reading about pet goats and shooting the shit with the teachers while terrorists were slamming planes into buildings. There is no way in hell they didn't know from the time of the first crash that the likelihood was that a terrorist attack was underway.

Even if there was a scintilla of doubt as to whether it was a terrorist attack or just a bad accident, after the warnings that we now know that the intelligence agencies and the White House were all privy too (in spite of their blatant lies to the contrary), wouldn't it be logical to think they should immediately have treated the incident at the WTC as a terrorist attack until proven otherwise. Assuming there was no foreknowledge of the event, the only safe assumption would be that the President could be a potential target. Since Chimp's plans for visiting the school that morning had been made public in the press he should have been prevented from even appearing at the school and his butt hustled out of there ASAP, unless of course those in the know knew in advance that the school was not on the list of designated targets that morning.

Here Is The Burning Question

Given the Secret Service's obligation to protect the President;

Given the Secret Service's open line to the FAA and therefore its knowledge that a plane had been hijacked and subsequently ploughed into the World Trade Center;

Given the potentially deadly threat to President Bush if he proceeded to a public place, on schedule, as announced the day before and known to everyone in the region;

There is only one explanation for the Secret Service allowing President Bush to take the deadly risk of going to the Booker School on the morning of September 11th.

George Walker Bush knew the plans for 9-11. And because he knew those plans, he knew that nobody was going to attack the Booker School.

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-3.htm

[bpilgrim]

24. zactly, NO ONE reacted, even the SS

cheney said that his toes barely touched the floor as the SS rushed him into a secure location and they KNEW when the planeS broke contact from the ATC's, coupled with the NUMEROUS WARNINGS, that this was a TERRORIST event.

Thank GORE he 'INVENTED' the INTERNET's!

peace

[seemslikeadream]

18. 9/11 relatives sue Riggs Bank in terror attacks

9/11 relatives sue bank in terror attacks
Islander joins action accusing Washington's Riggs National Bank of aiding al-Qaida backers
Tuesday, September 14, 2004
By TERENCE J. KIVLAN
WASHINGTON -- Lawyers for Sept. 11 families suing the Saudis have filed a related class-action legal action accusing a major bank here of aiding financial backers of the al-Qaida terrorist group through negligence. ***

The bank, Riggs National Bank, was fined $25 million in May for failing to properly monitor millions of dollars in Saudi financial transactions, including withdrawals now being investigated for possible connections to terrorism. http://www.silive.com/news/advance/...69722130960.xml

Criminal Probe of Riggs Bank Underway
Justice Department Is Looking Into Officers, Directors
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Aug20.html

But take a look who is the CEO of Riggs.

Jonathan Bush - uncle of the president, brother of the former president and fellow Bonesman to both - who became CEO on May 31, 2000. Also unspoken is the fact that representing the Saudi defendants in the families' trillion dollar lawsuit is Bush consiglieri James Baker's giant Texas oil-friendly firm, Baker Botts.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004May14.html
http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=8166&fcategory_desc=The%20Bush%20Crime%20Family

***("Through negligence," naturally, because it's inconceivable to most decent people that it could be anything else.)


Uncovering who paid for 9/11, and who profited by it, will tells us virtually all we need to know to answer that question of who are behind the attacks with confidence.

[seemslikeadream]

19. Bank with close ties to Bush administration engulfed in scandal

By Joseph Kay

The Justice Department announced on Friday that it is launching a criminal investigation into Riggs Bank. In recent months, the Washington-based bank has become engulfed in a scandal related to charges of money-laundering, corruption and terrorist financing.

Riggs, which touts itself as “the most important bank in the most important city in the world,” has been known for decades as the bank of the Washington elite, including politicians, foreign ambassadors and the wealthy. It has held presidential accounts stretching back to the time of the Civil War, and is a prominent fixture in the political and social establishment of the nation’s capital.

Or rather, it was a prominent fixture. In July, PNL Financial Services agreed to buy Riggs for $779 million. The sale will become final by early next year.

The bank’s prominent embassy and international operations will be shut down in an attempt to bury a scandal that has the potential of becoming much larger. That an institution like Riggs could so quickly disintegrate is an indication of the extent of the corruption that has overtaken American finance and government.

more
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=2974



The bank that liked to say yes to the dirty cash of Third World dictators

TALES OF THE UNACCOUNTED: THE RIGGS REPORT

The Senate report on the Riggs scandal reads like a novel. Here is a selection of some of the incredible tales.

* When asked if it held accounts for the Pinochet family, the bank simply changed the accounts to General Pinochet and his wife's second surname, Ugarte, so they did not show up on searches.

* The Riggs account manager for Africa, a Kenyan called Simon Keriri, was finally sacked from the bank in January after he was found to have had a financial relationship with the President of Equatorial Guinea. He had even moved the President's money through his own wife's offshore account. Earlier this month, Mr Keriri invoked his Fifth Amendment rights and refused to answer questions from a US Senate panel investigating the scandal.

* On six occasions between 2000 and 2002, Riggs accepted cash deposits for an account controlled by President Obiang. The cash was brought into the bank in suitcases by Mr Keriri. On several occasions, deposits were made of $3m at a time. Since $1m in notes weighs at least 20lb, these deposits would have weighed more than 60lb each.

more
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/analysis_and_features/story.jsp?story=553797

[Al-CIAda]

20. "Bush knocked down the towers"

MP3-
http://www.911truthla.org/audio/binladen_djgreenlantern.mp3

[applegrove]

21. Bush & Co are just opportunists. They caused the terrorism by not

pushing for democracy in the Middle East for 50 years. The money for al Quaeda comes from Oil. They need each other as enemies (otherwise the arms companies have no market). That is enough. You need not look any further. They used an inevitable terrorist attack on the US (Europe had been victims of terrorism for decades)to push their agenda through.

No need for conspiracy theories. It is right there in front of your nose.

[Al-CIAda]

23. The only conspiracy theory is the official version of events. -eom

[applegrove]

28. No that is politics. I mean don't ya think they would have erased

the "My Pet Goat" tapes if they could have? They tried to hide it by not saying which plane it was the President was informed about. But it even came out that it was plane #2 that had hit - and the goofball just froze.

Now I am a freezer - but then I've never thought of running for the position of PRESIDENT & COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

Come on buddy - you gotta be able to use your humour to get you out of this denial. My PET GOAT!!! How pathetic is that? laugh or cry but do something because you really are not being helpfull if you stay in denial.

All of Europe gets attacked by terrorists for 20 years. Hundreds & hundreds of attacks. America gets hit inside its own boarders 2 times (and one attempt at LAX)and you think it was an inside job?

Come on!! The turn to attacking the USA was for the very good reason that Islamists found blowing up their own people in the Middle East didn't make them popular so they went after the USA. Read Gwenne Dyer's book for more information. The questions he asks are the ones you should be wondering about.

[linazelle]

26. How many threads do we have to endure on the same topic nt

[B Calm]

27. How did he just sat there reading to school children?

You'd think he would have been worried for the safety of the little children in the school..