I am told Dean ""hates Rs and everything they stand for."

[usregimechange]

All over the internet he is quoted, ""hates Republicans and everything they stand for." All the sources use the same fragment. Anyone have the full paragraph?

[aquart]

1. What's wrong with that?

Democrats aren't allowed to hate evil?

[usregimechange]

2. He said he hates Republicans? Did he?

[w13rd0]

7. Once again, out of context...

...he was talking about the Republican leadership, and the accurate quote is as follows:

"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for, but I admire their discipline and their organization,"

The clip is actually available online. Of course, a Google search finds many hits demonstrating the typical and predictable outrage of Republican shitshills, but who f'n cares if they get their panties in a wad. This was a statement nested in a speech talking about DISCIPLINE and ORGANIZATION, so he obviously wasn't talking about rank and file Republicans. After all, were he talking about rank and file Republicans, it's my understanding he'd be including his mother.

More manufactured outrage from the perpetually offended and victimized right-wingers.

[progressivebydesign]

57. In context you can tell he talked of the Republican ORGANIZATION..

..not the individual people. He was talking about the GOP machine. But.. people LOVE to destroy HOward Dean.. like the Clintons, he is a threat to the republicans.

[aquart]

13. Once again, what's wrong with that?

Republicans are America's fascist party now and I HOPE we all hate fascists.

[usregimechange]

15. I hate fascism... and to say all R are fascists is plain wrong.

[dameocrat]

31. but many of their leaders are indeed fascists

Look at David Horowitz and Anne Coulter.

[ohkay]

53. Ann Coulter isn't a leader

she an actress. She's no more the leader of the R's than Tim Robbins is the leaders of the Dems.

[dameocrat]

87. I've never seen her with an acting job

She get's talking points straight from the RNC. Karl Rove is a leader and a fascist.

[bunkerbuster1]

62. I don't hate people, but I sure do hate the Republican party leadership

and I'm glad we've got a chair who's willing to say what he said.

And whoever doesn't like it can go pound salt.

[Ironpost]

68. trust me I hate republicans and facist n/t

[Kipepeo]

3. here

"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for, but I admire their discipline and their organization,"

and I agree with him.

[arcos]

4. Complete quote:

"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for, but I admire their discipline and their organization," the failed presidential hopeful told the crowd at the Roosevelt Hotel, where he and six other candidates spoke at the final DNC forum before the Feb. 12 vote for chairman.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/276020p-236422c.html

[napi21]

5. I don't know a source, but I doubt he hates all Pubs.

As much as I have criticized the current admin, I don't HATE ALL PUBS! Some of them deserve hate, but some are reasonable people that we disagree with, and they with us. I admit, there are some extreme LW that I disagree with too, but I don't hate them.

I think some are judging Dean as hating ALL PUBS because he blatently states that some of the policies are evil and wrong. That doesn't mean he hates all Pubs.

[mermaid]

6. What's Wrong With That? Just 1 More Thing Dean & I Have In Common!!

n/t

[madfloridian]

8. It won't kill them...they have done it to us. He admires their discipline

and their organization. They need to stop acting like crybabies and grow up. They have done this to us for 4 years now. I have no sympathy of them.

[sendero]

56. Try....

.... 20 years through their proxies such as Limbaugh and his ilk.

[usregimechange]

9. Hate is not the right word to use guys. It was wrong. He said it as

if he meant all Republicans. That is plain stupid.

[madfloridian]

11. He said it differently in KS. But I don't like them either right now.

I have family members who are Republicans who would rather see this country self-destruct than criticize their God, Bush.

He said the moderates in the Republican party don't like the right wing extremists.

He said the other on C-Span, not viciously, just said it and said but he admired them for their organization.

I could bring up a lot of things others in the party have said that offend me greatly. I won't tonight. Especially where they say they will vote for this damned war all over again.

And I am mad that now they, including Dems, are going to "fix" the high schools the way they "fixed" the elementary. Today they said all high schools are failing and we have to make them accountable. That is a load of BS.

I think they should apologize.

[w13rd0]

12. Oh please.

We're sick of being nice while being punched in the mouth. Fuck them. Hell, we're not even talking about the rank and file, but perhaps we should. After all, Rushbots have been talking about "lining up and shooting liberals" for years now.

So yes, I fucking hate them and everything they stand for, and I'm DAMN GLAD Dean does to. We don't need some spineless twit who thinks he can compromise with crooks and evil men. When we compromise with Republicans on most any issue, it just ends up weakening our position. Why? Because their leadership has a goal: redistribution of wealth and power upwards to an ever more concentrated and tightly wound group of assholes. Seems our leaderships goal for the past 20 years has been: win, even if we have to sound like them to do it.

NO. They hate us, we SHOULD hate them. They are, through their ignorance and barbarism, DESTROYING this country and they are doing irrepairable damage to the future of my children. No way in hell should we be playing nice.

[usregimechange]

14. What next mass deportation?

[Bluebear]

17. Yeah, probably for us.

[usregimechange]

19. Well I would rather not be on the giving end or I would be no

better than a fascist myself. Hate is wrong, I don't care who says it.

[w13rd0]

25. If you proposed mass deportation...

...yes, you would be no better than a fascist.

Don't confuse anger and hate (righteous indignation) with a desire to visit upon "them" death and destruction. Talk to the Coulter types about bombing the NYTimes. Talk to someone like Rush or Savage if you want to talk about THAT kind of hate.

You stick with passing out love beads to those that would GLADLY deport you. I'll continue to call them fucking idiots to their face. Neither of us are likely to change their minds, but considering the climate, the feigned outrage with which dissent is greeted, I feel pretty damn good about vocally "hating on" the GOP.

[ima_sinnic]

40. right or wrong, like it or not, they hate you

... love beads are SOOO 60s. we're talkin civil war y'know. the reality is, one has to choose sides, that is what bushit and his scum have brought it to with their divisive crapola. if you lived in 1930s Germany, would you council the people "not to hate" the Nazis? we are talking the same thing here.

[ultraist]

18. I agree, Fuck the Repukes, I hate everything they stand for too. GO DEAN!

:kick:

They've been calling us filthy names for years. Why should we pander to the Repukes? WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND could have voted for BUSH?

[usregimechange]

22. So we become no better than them in terms of our rhetoric, no

thanks.

[dameocrat]

33. That is goofy

So the victims of McCarthy who hated McCarthy were McCarthy themselves. I wouldn't give any of them guil trips sorry.

[ScreamingMeemie]

38. That was the best choice...because he's right.

:hi:

[mandyky]

39. No, people take it that he means ALL Republicans

when obviously he doesn't. He had a lot of Republicans supporting him
during the primaries. He didn't use the word "all" and anyone with any sense knows what he means. He means the party machinery, not all GOP voters. Maybe hate was the wrong word to use, but I'd rather Dean err on the side of standing up than lying down.

[RetroLounge]

42. Oh, grow up and get a spine...

Oooh, don't offend the Republicans...

:eyes:

RL

[ScreamingMeemie]

45. Can't do that! If they do that, they might have to actually get up and DO

something! :hi:

[RetroLounge]

52. Good point...

:hi:

RL

[WyLoochka]

47. Well - there isn't one

Repub standing up trying to stop the fall over the cliff into fascism.

The last Repub to show any integrity or patritosm was Jim Jeffords and he isn't a Repub anymore!

I'm with Dr Dean. I hate Republicans and all that they stand for. They are AGAINST the interests of the people - they have conducted a three decade long class war AGAINST the people and worked hard to grease the wheels so corporations could take over the peoples' government lock, stock and barrel. I HATE that!!!! It's economic fascism!

[mermaid]

50. What He Said!!

I hate the Republicans with ever fiber of my being!! I hate them with a hate so intense there isn't even a word to describe how I feel! Webster's hasn't INVENTED a word yet that describes the bitter, bile, black, absolute, complete and total disgust and HATE I have for the Republicans.

Thanks to them, I am likely to have to move back home to Mommy, in Pennsylvania, at the age of 34...meaning I am a great big loser at life...because I no longer can find a steady, full-time, permanent job that will sustain me.

FUCK YOU GEORGE W BUSH!!

[progressivebydesign]

58. Did you start this thread to bash Dean? Sure seems like it... n/t

[BlueEyedSon]

10. OK, Im in

[Why Syzygy]

16. Our "hate" is worse than their "hate"?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/1/30/104654.shtml

The front-runner in the race to head up the so-called party of compassion and understanding said unabashedly on Saturday that he "hates" the opposition.

"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for," former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean told Democrats gathered at a Manhattan hotel, in quotes picked up by the New York Daily News.

(cut)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/276020p-236422c.html

(cuts)

"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for, but I admire their discipline and their organization," the failed presidential hopeful told the crowd at the Roosevelt Hotel, where he and six other candidates spoke at the final DNC forum before the Feb. 12 vote for chairman.

But Dean said the Democrats should not change their beliefs to be "Republican lite."

"We can talk about our faith, but we cannot change our faith," he said, echoing themes he sounded in his presidential bid. "We need to be people of conviction."

BUT YET!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/16/233033/805

As RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman praised the election of his new counterpart Howard Dean, influential Republican front groups were already planning a mendacious offensive against the new DNC chair.

The first attack came courtesy of the Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC), a big money pro-Israel lobby group linking Jewish-American neoconservatives to the Christian Right and Israel's Likud government. On Monday the RJC began running full-page ads in major Jewish newspapers across the country featuring a large photo of militants strapped with explosives coddling a young Palestinian boy. Above that arresting image is a quote by Dean: "It's not our place to take sides." Below the photo are quotes by Democrats critical of Dean. The ad effectively equates Dean's election with the appeasement of suicide bombers.

(cut)

The National Jewish Democratic Council called the Republicans' anti-Dean ad a "vicious smear campaign." It said the ad campaign "dangerously politicizes support for Israel, threatening the crucial legacy of bipartisan support for Israel."

The Democratic council's executive director, Ira Forman, predicted the Republican ad would backfire. "It helps us when you go over the top and put a picture like that," he said.

...

The anti-Dean advertisement drew criticism from some Jewish community leaders considered sympathetic to the Bush administration's anti-terrorism policies. Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, called the ad inaccurate and "ill advised."

(cut)

Oh Yes. Repuke "hate" is soooooo much better than Democratic "hate" -- of EVIL.

[usregimechange]

20. What the hell? Why not just say it was wrong. Hate is wrong.

[dameocrat]

32. It was a relatively minor gaff in comparison to true

fascist republican Ann Coulters smear of Helen Thomas where she implied she was a threat to Bush because she was an Arab. Not to mention her book saying we were guilty of Treason.

I don't happen to believe the quote. As I heard it he just said he hated everything they stood for. I don't have any respect for the current leadership of the republican party. They hate us.

[Why Syzygy]

43. Hating Evil is wrong?

Let's just throw some flowers and dance in the streets.
That will make it all better. (snarf)

I'm not one to advocate "hate". It is a miserable emotion.
Maybe "despise" would be a better term.

I despise what the neo-cons have done and are doing.
I don't hate their souls.
But goddam, they are stealing from the poor, destroying the middle class and eldery Americans, killing perfectly innocent human beings, raping the environment, and strutting around like they own the whole freakin planet.
That's despicable. Call it what you will.

[Zenlitened]

46. Hate. like anger, is a natural human emotion.

It's a natural response to something harmful or dangerous.

"Hate is wrong." Talk about blanket statements. Hate just is. It's what we do with it that matters, and how we let it affect us,

This misty-eyed, campfire sing-along sermonizing about how we shouldn't hate those who seek to destroy us... what a crock. That's just nauseating.

[Cha]

59. What Zenlitened

said!

[mermaid]

51. No. Hate Of EVIL And HATE Of Greed Is NOT Wrong!!

Yeah, sure, let's keep making nice with the Pubbies, while they play smashmouth politics. no fucking thank you.

It's high time someone stopped making nice with the Pubbies, and I'm glad Dean's doing it.

You wanna hand out love beads to the guys who'd just as soon shoot you as say hello to you...you be my guest. From now on, my message to the Pubbies will be very clear: I HATE YOU!!!

From now on, no Republican is welcome across my threshold. If they voted for Bush, they won't set foot in my space. I will not share the air they breathe.

Now, since I'm likely to be in my mother's house at that point, well, then, if a Pubbie comes in...I go upstairs and close my door. and I tell the Pubbie WHY I'm doing it, too.

I'm gonna tell them I do not wish to share their airspace. Fuck 'em.

AND FUCK YOU, GEORGE W BUSH YOU ASSHOLE FROM THE NINTH PLANE OF HELL!!!

[n2mark]

21. Well,

I can't stand them either

[oasis]

23. Ist item on O'Reilly's "Talking Points Memo" for tommorrow. Guaranteed.

But let's take the bastards on. Fuck 'em.

[madfloridian]

24. He said it before he was elected chair......Before the 12th.

It was during the conference in NYC the week before. They are just pumping it up and keeping it going.

[oasis]

27. His "blind quotes" statement was a signal to the corporate media that

their weak shit will no longer fly. They are grasping.

[madfloridian]

28. Right, they did not like the "blind quotes" reply.

He took the wind out of their sails. Plus, he is refusing to appear on national TV right now, opting instead for local coverage. Makes them furious.

[bvar22]

26. I HATE republicans, baby!

Great song. Catchy tune.
Once you hear it, you can't get it out of your head!

Go ahead. Give it a listen:

http://www.bushflash.com/ihr.html

[Why Syzygy]

44. Good One!

:thumbsup:

[Cha]

60. Your link doesn't work..n/t.

[bvar22]

76. Works for me.

:shrug:

[Cha]

77. Yeah, it works now...it

must have been overloaded.

Thanks!

[CindyDale]

29. Here's a link to someone who was there

http://katherine-brengle.mydd.com/story/2005/1/30/221056/748

and apparently didn't think it worth mentioning.

In context of what his message appears to have been, he was referring to the vast right-wing conspiracy rather than Joe Republican. Do people seriously fear that we will get an email from the DNC telling us to go after Joe with a baseball bat?

We're not the right, and this "party of hate" nonsense is pure paranoid projection. In fact, any hate I see in Dems seems to arise when they listen to right wing folk, not to Democratic leaders.

The Republicans do need to look out for granny and her cane, though. j/k

Anyhow, IMO, this whole thing is silly.

[Cha]

61. Cool link..

thanks!

[monobrau]

30. I despise these pigs

And I'm sick of the mealy mouth crap about working together. They need to be exposed, discredited, imprisoned where applicable, and tossed into the dustbin of history. A good many of them will need to be dealt with by force, and we better have the guts to do it.

[Old and In the Way]

34. Actions speak louder than words.

By their actions, they hate us. When they stop hating us, I'll stop hating them.

[CindyDale]

35. It makes no sense to say you hate Republicans

because many of them are on the same side of the issues as we are, and some Democrats are not. Plenty of Republicans voted for Kerry; plenty of Democrats did not. I don't believe Dean was referring to individuals; he meant the machine* that is controlling the election results. It's actually pretty obvious that he meant that.

Edit:

*I meant political machine; that must have been a Freudian slip. :-)

[Disturbed]

37. What do Republicans stand for?

The Right Wing Agenda

Abolish

Social Security
Medicare
Employer supplied health insurance
Unemployment Benefits
Welfare
Abortion Rights
Collective Bargaining
EPA
Public Education
Public Housing
IRS

[JNelson6563]

36. I hope so!

Everyone should: http://bushflash.com/ihr.html

[Cha]

64. I hate them..cause

they're Ugly:P

[BiggJawn]

41. Like that's a Bad Thing?

Since the ReTHUGlicans want to dismantle everything this country USED to stand for and sell it for profit, what's not to hate?

Don't forget, the GOP definition of "Bi-Partisanship" is "Bend over, I'm driving..."

[ChairOne]

48. I hate all those, and only those, who do not hate themselves....

Puts me in something of a sticky position with regards to myself, but what r ya gonna do?

[Norquist Nemesis]

49. I hate them, too. It's the Golden Rule

The only thing I've gotten from Republicans is hate. I haven't given hate to get it. But all I have to do is make the statement I'm a Democrat or I'm Liberal and the physical reaction is like a reflex! There's no denying the 'hate', and it has only intensified with all of the rhetoric year after year.

[madfloridian]

54. Here is Dean's interview on KS radio....listen to it and quit worrying.

He is doing great,and all our Democrats need to talk this way.
http://www.kcur.org/programListDetail.asp?ID=6

Some paraphrased quotes:

"We lose the debates because we are not in the debates."

"Republicans call us names and we don't respond."

He finds the debate on Social Security is appalling. It is not about Social Security, it is about giving Wall Street profits.

He says Bush has a ideological goal to destroy Social Security by turning it over to Wall Street, sending money we have borrowed to privatize to Wall Street for their profits.

He says we actually don't have to have a plan for Social Security right now, it is not that urgent. Make sure the Republicans don't wreck it.

Says it was good Bush went to Europe because it is not good for us to be "ruling by fear."

Again says Iraq was no danger, but terrorists there now. Refers to the dangers from Iran and North Korea.

[Cha]

67. Madflor...have you seen this?

..from buzzflash?

DEAN UNCHAINED

[madfloridian]

69. No, I hadn't.

LOL. I bet it pissed some people off. I have never noticed cartoons there before. I forget to go there, so I am bookmarking it.

[Cha]

74. Yeah, Steve Bradenton

is buzzflash's resident cartoonist.

He's good..

[bloom]

72. Some neighbors of our

have some donkeys.

They got loose last week and were trying to escape the neighborhood. It seemed symbolic.

[Cha]

75. Who let the donkeys out!? lol!

[madfloridian]

78. LOL

I don't know why, but that is just plain funny. I can just seem them running in all directions. :evilgrin:

[NYCGirl]

79. What a great cartoon! I especially like the little DLC basket resting on

the elephant's ass (with Kerry and is that Holy Joe Lieberman?).

[Starlight]

85. That is a fabulous cartoon!

:evilgrin: :kick:

[rman]

55. On the contrary, Dean admires Republicans' discipline..

..and their organization.

the actual quote:
"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for, but I admire their discipline and their organization."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/276020p-236422c.html


Oh darn! This is confusing! Dean both admires and hates them at the same time!

This can't be can it? I mean, we all know you're either with them or against them, if you're with them you blindly accept and love everything they do, and if you're against them you simply despise them and hate everything they do. The world is black-and-white like that - for some people.

[Why Syzygy]

82. Good point

You mean something like a "balance of ideas"?

Wow. That's radical.

[deacon]

63. No big deal, i'm sure we could create a nice list of republican leaders

who hate dems.

[dzika]

65. They quoted Dean on CNN this afternoon.

Video - CNN Political Bytes - 2/28

It's near the end of this video.



Watch the Video (2 minutes)

[madfloridian]

70. That was when the media were peeking through the fence I hear.

That was a great clip. "The moderate Republicans hate the extremist Republicans"....and it sounded like Judy was about to gag on that one.

He used a microphone and his voice was amplified so people outside the fence of the private home could hear....they still made it sound secretive.

They say the fence had wide gaps, and people were just gawking. This is a pic from the DNC blog, you can see the fence.

[Canadian Socialist]

66. As an outsider

and one who doesn't have a TV (go figure), all I know is what I read on the internet. And I read as much as I can. Left, right, middle. All. Having said that, it seems to me, (again as an outsider) that someone in the U.S. that supports the Republican party is supporting a bigoted, racist, sexist, homophopic party. They are hypocritical; they lie like a rug and they have no sense of shame. Sorta like our Conservative party.

However, our conservative party would be considered darn near socialist compared to your conservative party. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view) our CPC is now using SSM as a "wedge" issue in a minority government parliament. And, by doing so, are turning more and more of my fellow citizens towards the left as most Canadians have no tolerance for intolerance.

[Cha]

80. I don't know what's in the water up there...

but we need to import it..

"And, by doing so, are turning more and more of my fellow citizens towards the left as most Canadians have no tolerance for intolerance."

:toast:

[Why Syzygy]

83. Amen.

That is exactly the situation.

Don't know what CPC or SSM are....

Is no tolerance for intolerance the same as "intolerance".

Oh now I remember. There is a distinction.

[ultraist]

84. Well said!

Having said that, it seems to me, (again as an outsider) that someone in the U.S. that supports the Republican party is supporting a bigoted, racist, sexist, homophobic party. They are hypocritical; they lie like a rug and they have no sense of shame.

I agree wholeheartedly.

[bluedipper]

71. ...

He doesn't have a clue what he wants.
WWW.CAFEPRESS.COM/BLUEDIPPER

[bluedipper]

73. OOOPS

OH GEEZE! I am so sorry, I am having a brain freeze. I like Howard Dean, I somehow thought you guys were talking about McCain! I am such a dope. I don't know why I thought that. I am sorry for any confusion.!

[lonestarnot]

81. I love Howard as much as I hate repukes! I feel uncomfortable sometimes

about this feeling, as I've always been taught "never hate anyone" guess this even included the boogey man. Well boogey man in a boat I hate repukes and all they stand for just like Howie!

[Starlight]

86. Stop trying to demonize Howard!

What he said was totally appropriate. Stop with the repub talking points. :spank: