Hillary 2008 Poll - Where do you stand?

[Red State Rebel]

Poll question: Hillary 2008 Poll - Where do you stand?

I think it's inevitable that Hillary is running and running seriously. I see a variety of opinions on the board, let's see statistically where we all stand.

Personally - I think it's a lock. She has already started running to the right and she and Bill have enough power in the party she will easily be the Democratic nominee.

[mark414]

1. other

i really HOPE she doesn't run

that said, i'd never vote for her

[Enquiringkitty]

11. I think there are to many people who are standoffish about the Clinton

name. I do think she would be really good to put on the ticket as VP with someone who has done well in past elections and lost by a slim margin. She might be the right VP to give us that extra 5% or so that we've needed.

[mark414]

12. i think i kind of see it as the opposite

i think she's such a divisive figure, or at least would be made into one that people would actually be driven away from her...


anyways, 2008 is a ways off...we'll see what happens

[BlueEyedSon]

2. She will not be the nominee and she will not run

[mermaid]

3. I Voted With My Heart

she will run, but will not be the nominee.

That is what I hope, anyway.

Because if she WAS the nominee...she is SO polarizing that she might get whupped by lots of folks eager to vote against her.

I'd be very scared of a Hillary nomination.

[0rganism]

13. Yep, what mermaid said

The easiest way to kill the Democratic party completely will be running Hillary at the top of the ticket in 2008. It's not that I don't like her as an out-of-context candidate; she's eminently qualified, very intelligent, and knows how to play politics with the best of 'em. She's popular enough, and clearly she must be polling well internally, if what Biden and others have said is the case.

But the hit job the media would run on her would make the Swift Boat Liars seem like a cordial picnic in the park. Dean scream nothing; by the time they got done with her, she wouldn't be able to go anywhere near a microphone without an umbrella to ward off the rotten fruit. The RNCC wouldn't even have to make a new dossier on her. She's got Baggage, with a big ol' B.

Her candidacy is pure poison in anything but a deep blue state.

If Hillary really is bored with the Senate and wants to pave the way for a possible presidential campaign in the future, like 10 years down the road, she should run for the NY governorship. That will test her mettle quite enough, thank you very much. If she can win it there and get re-elected, I'll happily reassess her chances in 2015 or thereabouts.

My fervent hope is that this "Hillary for prez" idea is just a smokescreen put up by the DNC to make Herr Rove and his understudies salivate. Meantime a couple of heavy hitters are gearing up for the actual run, maybe Wes Clark or Mark Warner.

[Swamp Rat]

15. HAHA! With a BIG ole B!

:D

If I were a DNC strategist I'd milk a 'Hillary Run' all the way up to the party nomination, then dump her like Godzilla caca.

Meanwhile, I'd have set up something like "Wes Clark/Barbara Boxer," and a kickass cabinet including Bob Graham, Richard C. Clarke, Patrick Fitzgerald... :)

[noonwitch]

21. At least she'd fight back, unlike Kerry

If Kerry had stood up to the Smear Boat Veterens, he might have done better in the election.

Hillary, like her husband, will fight back when attacked. I'll vote for her gladly. I'm looking forward to President Hillary-I can't wait to watch freeper heads explode as she take office in 2009.

[tinrobot]

26. She's already survived countless attacks.

Hillary has been the object of scrutiny and attacks since before her husband became president. She's a survivor and knows how to deal with these creeps. Quite honestly, I don't think people like the Swift Boat Liars could do much more to hurt her. I think she's somewhat innoculated to these typs of attacks.

Besides, why are we even pondering what groups like the Swift Boat Liars think? They will attack anyone and say anything to achieve their goals. Even if Ghandi was nominated, they'd still try and smear him.

[jeanarrett]

36. Succinctly put . . . and I totally agree. I fervently

hope your last sentence is correct.

[sakabatou]

4. I don't like those kids of presidencies

Ones where a father/son father/daughter husband/wife parter/partner brother/sister mother/son mother/daughter have presidencies. Not good for the nation.

[Placebo]

5. Hillary '08

[Toucano]

8. Those pics are great. n/t

[oasis]

10. good stuff.

:thumbsup:

[coloradodem2005]

6. We could lose all 50 states.

Not because she is a woman but because she is Hilary clinton. She is running too far to the right. Haven't we learned a damned thing from history? It doesn't seem like it.

[Sapphire Blue]

14. Yes, she is running too far to the right

.... which leads me to believe that she's running for the 2008 presidential nomination. Bush lite isn't what this country or this world needs.

[Stephanie]

25. She's a terrible choice

You're right, we will lose every state.

[hezekkia]

58. what have we learned?

That far-left candidates have won? Oh right, only Clinton and Carter have won in the last 30 years.

[saltpoint]

7. She'll run but finish no better than third in the Iowa --

-- caucuses and no better than third in New Hampshire, and possibly fourth.

Edwards and Bayh have the demographic umpf in Iowa Hillary Clinton lacks, and not even her amiable husband won in New Hampshire a week later. She won't match his performance there and may fall back one or two places.

South Carolina follows those two consecutive high-profile defeats, and I think Edwards owns that one, with Clark a very respectable second.

By the time those early key primaries are over, Edwards, Bayh, Clark, Feingold, and maybe others are going to have finished ahead of her with more votes and a bigger share of party donors' bucks.

She could rebound but she'll have to do it from fourth place or lower.

Not likely.

[Toucano]

9. Hill: It's your DESTINY!

She will run. That's all I know.

And she should run. She's highly qualified and would be a great president. That's what I think.

I don't know if I'll vote for her or not. Depends on the slate.

But I don't buy the "she's too polarizing" meme.

[bowens43]

17. Buy it, it's true.

No one is more hated by right wingers, republicans and moderates then Hillary. Not only would she galvanize the Republican party, she would split the Democratic party. If she gets the nomination we are doomed to another 8 years of republican rule.

[cire4]

16. Right now, polls show that she would win the nomination...

But alot could change in 4 years. That's why discussing anything 2008-related is virtually pointless...

[Quixote1818]

33. Yes, she was blowing all the candidates away in the polls last year

I remember seeing one poll that had Hillary ahead of Dean, Clark, Edwards and Kerry by like 30 points among registered Democrats. We must remember that most Democrats are not as liberal as what you find on DU. She will most certainly go in as the front runner but once the dirt starts to fly who knows where she will land. I suspect however that she would be extremely hard to beat. She is extremely well spoken and knows exactly where she needs to stand on the issues to get elected. All that said, I hope Clark wins but Hillary worries me big time.

[Clark2008]

61. Why do red stater Dems want to vote for this woman?

Makes no sense. Surely they know she cannot win their state in the general election.
Shouldn't non-blogger Dems be thinking GENERAL ELECTION and how do we get them to do this? I mean, after Tennessee and some of the other early red state primaries voted for Kerry and he lost (election fraud aside), surely they will have learned to think GENERAL ELECTION this time, right?
Maybe?
I hope..

[Padraig18]

18. She has two chances--- slim and none.

If she did somehow manage to capture the nomination, I'd vote for her, but I see virtually no chance of that happening.

[Red State Rebel]

19. Bumping for the morning crowd!

[tom_paine]

20. Other: The 2008 "election" is already over

Whoever is the nominee of THE PARTY (by which I mean the one functioning Party in Amerika, the Imperial Bushevik Party) will "win".

As with 2004, there is a 100% chance of this, like Saddam and Prevez Mussharraf winning their "elections".

Sorry to be a Party Pooper, but that's the situation.

But go ahead and pretend we still live in the Old American Repubic. It doesn't cost anything except the inevitable disappointment when THE PARTY does it's thing and walk away with the Throne of Amerika that they had from the very start and never were in any danger of losing.

[NoPasaran]

22. I don't know if she'll be the nominee or not

But if she is I will vote for her.

[pinballer]

23. No women allowed to lead or preach. Its a rule in this "godly" nation.

Because of the endemic hatred and distrust for women in this society, built up for over 2000 years by superstitious adherants of the sky-god, Hillary will have no chance at winning the nomination.

I wish she could run and do well, but i find it extremely unlikely. She is a bit too far to the Right for me, but would be 1000 times preferable to the current crop of fascist patriarchs.

I would in fact prefer that ALL our political leaders be women.....far less macho bullshit of starting wars to prove whose dick is biggest.

[hopein08]

24. I chose "run but not the nominee" BUT

I'd prefer if she didn't bother to run at all.

[caligirl]

27. couldn't vote for her, her latest political moves are pandering.

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[Toucano]

43. I doubt it will be McCain

They need the fundamentalists to vote for them and McCain doesn't excite the fundamentalists. By 2008, they'll be even more drunk on power than they are today.

His campaign in 2000 was weak. He never responded properly to the dirty tricks BushCo used against him.

Speaking of that...how can you say he has a conscience when he allowed them to use him as a punching bag and then snuggled up to Bush on the campaign trail? Talk about a lap dog!

He give the appearance of independent thought, but he plays the game the way they tell him to. He's a paper tiger, and the Republicans know it.

[0007]

29. Hillary has been confusing lately! I don't know what to think.

If she runs I'd probably support her as strongly as I did Kerry.

[Tactical Progressive]

30. Hillary isn't "polarizing"

Chris Matthews et al tell you that, so you know it isn't true.

The right-wing hate machine is polarizing, and they will 'polarize' anybody. At least Hillary isn't a bona-fide war hero, so she has that going for her. No purple-heart band-aids.

You people have to learn to hate back instead of worrying about if they're going to hate you. They are.

Hillary would make the best President since her husband, and we'd have a great First Gentleman.

[Quixote1818]

31. I agree 100%

She is polarizing to a point but so is Bush and he got elected. Bill was extremely polarizing but still had a 60% approval rating even after Monica. I think she will be less polarizing than Bill and while I am a Clark supporter I think Hillary will be the nominee and the next president.

[Tactical Progressive]

37. I too am a Clarkie

My personal preference for the 2008 ticket is Gore-Clark. I think that is easily the best ticket we have as of right now, but we'll have to see what the landscape looks like in three years. I think national security will still be a big issue because of the hole BushCo has dug and because BushCo isn't about to de-emphasize their phony concern over national security. So I think Clark's resume will still be relevant. He'd be great without the focus on national security too, but with it still being an issue he's even bigger.

But Hillary would be fantastic in many ways. So we've got a couple of really good options.

To anyone who doesn't like Hillary, on the left or the right: fuck you. It's long past time to worry about being smeared, and to start smearing. I don't give half a shit about the truth any more.

[Quixote1818]

41. I have watched Hillary on Meet the Press and she is extremely

well spoken and sharp as a tack just like her husband. I have a boss who is very conservative and he even likes Hillary. The main people who don't like her are the people who call into Rush Limbaugh. That is a very small minority with a very loud voice.

[Tactical Progressive]

45. Yes, but we should listen to them

and don't make them angry. They are very scary and will hurt us.

I have only one message to people who "don't like" Hillary: fuck you.

I think it's the best response, and it's easier than arguing with people who have their mind made up that they "don't like" someone.

[Lone Pawn]

38. With all respect,

my left sock would make the best President since her husband.


You know what does tell me Hilly is polarizing? Gallup polls.

[Tactical Progressive]

39. Yes, I thought the humor was implicit

but thank you for pointing it out.

Polls show too that Hillary is the most admired woman in America, even when she's not the first lady. That's no small thing.

[Quixote1818]

40. Bush is way more polarizing than Hillary though

You can be polarizing and still get elected if 60% of the country likes you.

[Kazak]

53. "Hillary would make the best President since her husband"

That really isn't saying much, now is it?

:shrug:

[hfojvt]

32. Hillary's okay

although I tried to run against her for the Senate. I cannot imagine any Republican that I would prefer to her. There must be decent Republicans somewhere, but apparently not in national office or on TV. Let me see if I can find what the AFL-CIO says about Chaffee's voting record or Snowe's.

[anonymous44]

35. meh

I think she will run but I probably wouldn't vote for her. I think there are better candidates such as Dean etc.

[cry baby]

42. Why can't we focus on 06? 4 years is a long time from now and we

have serious problems right now. Let's not start this debate till we have to, it's divisive and we need to get together on issues that matter now. We need to make gains in the congress, that should be our focus.

[Quixote1818]

44. These polls are just for fun to kill 30 seconds. Whats wrong with that?

[cry baby]

47. It may be 30 seconds to you, but there are some that are aleady

angry at each other (although not in this thread) about Hillary and whether or not she will run and who will not vote for her under any circumstances...well you get the drift.

There is nothing wrong with a poll for fun, but I don't see many threads about upcoming senate or house elections in 06.

I hope you don't percieve that I don't want to have fun too, I do. I just would like to have a great time gloating in 06 about all the seats we pick up to block any supreme court nominations, etc.

[hfojvt]

46. I agree completely.

Winning Congress is at least as important as the presidency. If Kerry was president now, he still could not get this Congress to pass anything progressive, and the media would have a field day talking about his lack of leadership or accomplishments.
I think JR is a far worse President than his dad, not only because he is lacking some of his dad's class, but also because he has been enabled by the rubber-stamping congressional Republican extremists.

[cry baby]

49. That's right, we must restore the checks and balances. n/t

[Dave Sund]

48. If Hillary is the nominee

I will gladly vote for her.

I'm beginning to think she will be. But I have no idea how it will play out.

[Eagle_Eye]

60. The Honorable Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton will be

the nominee and will win by a landslide.

[trudyco]

50. For President or Governor?

I think she should run for Govenor. Seems like that is the best path to the presidency historically.

To tell you the truth, I don't know her that well. She was very liberal in the beginning of B Clintons term (wasn't she the one pushing for government health care before its time?). She seems more moderate now. I think she, like B Clinton, caters too much to big business. I think big business is one of our biggest enemies now.

Unlike Bill, she seems more wooden. She is very smart and more poised than Barbara Boxer and Pelosi (she has a better voice, too) but she isn't very warm. That was one of the problems with Kerry, he didn't know how to talk to the average Joe. Even though Hilary is from the midwest, there is something upper crust about her. It's a lack of Charisma. I don't think she is as good at persuading people as her husband was, too. In this day and age of TV it seems like charisma is more important than ever to get elected.

[Tactical Progressive]

51. That was a pretty even-handed assessment of Hillary

I'm thinking that enough charisma and warmth will come out in a run for the Presidency.

[Kazak]

52. My gut feeling is...

that she's pulling a classic bait'n'switch on the repunantcans and has no real intention of running. Of course, I could be way of base...wouldn't be the first time.

[BiggJawn]

54. The RW will wet-dream till their balls implode.

I can't imagine anything that would get the Freepies in a total lather like the idea of their favorite Love/Hate object running for president.

[RedCloud]

55. Bill Clinton and the first ladies!

What a party that may turn out to be!

Our first first man!

[Rooktoven]

56. Of course I'd vote for her IF she were the nominee--

but I don't think she will be, and I plan on working for Edwards until such time he either sits in the White House or somehow loses the nomination.

I tend to vote for people (Unless it's a foregone conclusion) who have the best chance of winning in the general election. To me that was JRE last time out, and JRE in 2008 (assuming he does run again).

[IndianaGreen]

57. Same here

if for no other reason that the country would be in such a bad shape by 2008 that anyone that is not a Republican will be a major improvement.

[tyedyeto]

59. I hope she doesn't run.........

"Personally - I think it's a lock. She has already started running to the right and she and Bill have enough power in the party she will easily be the Democratic nominee."

I hope she doesn't as the Democrats won't have a snowballs chance to take back America if she runs. It's not that I don't like her, I believe that old 'vast right wing conspiracy' will raise it's ugly head and become larger than it was during Bill's term or during Kerry's candidacy. I recall back during the 90's, Hillary was hated as much, if not more so, than Bill was by the right.

If the DNC doesn't recognize these issues that many Americans have with her, something is definitely wrong with the party. BTW, how much of a say does the DNC have as to who runs for President?

Also, if she loses her re-election bid for the Senate in '06 (I hope she doesn't), will that have an impact as to whether she runs for President?