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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 10:53 AM Original message |
Poll question: Was Ho Chi Minh a hero? |
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Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. Hell yes he was. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. Ho was rebuffed when he went to US for assistance. |
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kiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:11 PM Original message |
The Domino Effect... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
56. Well said. |
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kiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
83. Bring it up! |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. Yeah. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
3. Read the Pentagon Papers |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
58. Just as Castro did, looking for help against Batista. n/t |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
4. I am sure he is not considered an American Hero but definately a Vietnames |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
5. Not in the slightest... |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Ignorance on display |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Don't encourage him man. |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 11:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Wow, I never heard fascism used so broadly as to include Ho Chi Minh |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Oh, my "history" is quite-will "brushed up" on, thank you... |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. You have a unique worldview of political identification-it doesn't make |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:21 PM Original message |
Don't I though?... |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. It's a fact? That's news to me! |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Here's a clue for both the unlearned & the mere wondering... |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. When you find yourself in a hole, it's usually good to stop digging.... |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Oh, don't worry for that... |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Care to name the historians in question? n/t |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Well, Lenin wasn't one of them... |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Ho ho ho |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
67. It Is An Interesting Exchange, My Friend |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #67 |
91. Don't you think the difference is that the Fascists are more honest |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. On The Larger Question, Sir, No |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 06:44 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. I did not mean honesty as a virtue. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 01:19 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. My Apologies, Sir |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 05:43 AM Response to Reply #67 |
109. I think the nationalist tendencies |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 06:01 AM Response to Reply #67 |
112. Very good. |
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Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Thanks, J Edgar |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
64. lol, I haven't seen that pic before |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 06:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
94. I consider myself to be a serious historian, and I have to admit that.... |
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expatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
63. I agree... it's the inherent flaw of the "dictatorship of the proletariat" |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Revisionist history on display. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Yes, how could he have "subjugated" the Vietnamese? |
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Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Eisenhower: had an election been held, Ho Chi Minh would have been elected |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. no doubt you've seen this picture before |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 06:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
92. You appear to have a rather limited viewpoint.... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
8. A hero in the struggle against colonialism and neo-colonialism. |
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LSdemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
11. Revolutionary, yes. Hero is going a bit too far. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
17. Ho Chi Minh is undeniably a hero to the Vietnamese... |
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New Democrat (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
21. No way. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. The colonialism of the French and Americans was the crime here. |
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New Democrat (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I aint saying America or France was good either. |
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New Democrat (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
51. ICON Changed. |
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DemoTex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. The US killed millions of Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. You mean like Abe Lincoln, who "massacred his own people"? |
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New Democrat (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Damn straight i mean them |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. So which revolutionaries pass your purity test then? n/t |
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New Democrat (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I'm having a hard time finding one. |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Well you are at least consistent n/t |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. ALL the Founding Fathers. no cherry-picking! |
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New Democrat (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I dont know all the founding father so I cant say that |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Puke.Snooze.Bye (nt) |
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New Democrat (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. ? |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 06:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
97. I don't get why the current group of people that call themselves.... |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
27. Absolutely not. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Isn't it funny how his own people called/call him a hero. |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 01:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I would disagree. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Whether YOU think Ho is a hero or not, his own people do. |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. They're entitled to their opinion, as am I. n/t |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 01:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. And if you'd taken a poll in Germany in 1938... |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. And if you took a poll today, the vast majority of Germans would NOT |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Yes, we get the point. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. Of course, because as we all know, |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Great non-sequitur! |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Thanks! Not as great as yours though, but I tried! |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Mine wasn't. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Actually I was responding to T Town Jake and his Nazi Germany vote post. |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Then your post wasn't clear. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Uh huh, so unclear; |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. That doesn't change the fact that I'm not a mind reader. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:37 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I thought with your # of posts you'd know how DU works, but hey, |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Which stills means you're comparing apples and oranges |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 05:46 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. I won't trade insults with you, sorry. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. That's true... |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 03:23 AM Response to Reply #27 |
105. I have to admit I find such tripe pretty annoying and ignorant. |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 05:56 AM Response to Reply #105 |
111. The "Ma, he hit me first" defense. |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 10:59 AM Response to Reply #111 |
120. Wow. what an insightful reply. |
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ArkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
45. He was a Ho. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
46. He was a Communist thug. eom |
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DoveTurnedHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
50. No |
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NNguyenMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
52. would have been nice if he set up a valid Democracy instead of a Communist |
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Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:29 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Ho died in 1969 |
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NNguyenMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. I suppose you're right, but he could have influenced his subordinates to |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Actually, I think you are right about some of this, but drawing the |
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NNguyenMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. yeah, well maybe if he was alive long enough to see that through I would |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
88. Sad, and true. All hypotheticals aside, what happened in |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
70. Yes because as we all know, |
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DinahMoeHum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
57. He looked at George Washington as a hero and role model. . . |
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NNguyenMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. too bad no one told his buddies about them before he died... |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
61. HO was |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
62. he was no better than Hitler |
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American Tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
65. Another Communist dictator with a thriving personality cult. |
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jdots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
66. I don't know |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
73. Vo Nguyen Giap doesn't get the credit he deserves. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. He Was Indeed, Sir, A Superb Military Leader |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. The Vietnamese understood that war is more than body counts. |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 06:36 PM Response to Reply #73 |
98. Giap was to Ho as Zhukov was to Stalin. The only difference was in.... |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
77. It's my understanding that he chose the "Communist" ideology because that |
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Stop_the_War (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
85. yes |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
86. Yer all commy demoRat pukes and trayturs hoo lyk Hitlery an vote fer |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 01:29 AM Response to Reply #86 |
102. That's Ms. commy demoRat puke and traytur, to you, pinko! |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 02:36 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. I new it! U yuzed Mz. wich meens yer wonna dem demoRat HiTlery commys |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 03:47 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. SMILE when yer sezs that, pahdner; I be a TEXAN dem demoRat HiTlery commys |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
89. Just the brilliance of bringing together the NLF to unite... |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
96. To the Vietnamese, Yes |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
103. He built the kind of broad nationalist alliance needed to repel |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 03:55 AM Response to Original message |
107. A hero to murderers like Stalin, Hitler, and Lenin, I suppose |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 07:49 AM Response to Reply #107 |
114. Ho Chi Minh doesn't even fall into the same league as Pol Pot. |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 07:52 AM Response to Reply #107 |
115. I see you're just another person that has swallowed the.... |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 09:13 AM Response to Reply #115 |
118. This thread is about Ho Chi Minh, not the U.S. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. throwing away lives |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 05:29 AM Response to Original message |
108. The Vietnamese will call him a hero |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 07:56 AM Response to Reply #108 |
116. "US interference"??? That's an interesting way to describe a twenty.... |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 08:17 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Yes, it was just easier to write than what you wrote |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 05:54 AM Response to Original message |
110. did a pretty good job of kicking not one, but two imperialist forces out |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
113. If George Washington was a hero. n/t |
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aaronnyc (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
119. Not for me |
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Jackie97 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-08-05 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
122. Not really. |
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