UN involvement in Iraq: Will Russia tip it back to Bush?

[E_Zapata]

Bush Sr. is in Russia. Due to speak to Putin. Making oil deals for Carlyle.

I think Russia is a major card player in this obstruction of the US resolution for 'UN help/no role'.

Will Bush Sr. tip all these countries back in favor of the White House's resolution? Will daddy make it all better with just the right contracts? Will daddy energize the Russian oligarchy so that they pressure Putin to side with the USA?

It isn't over yet. Here are the countries that I know of who are overtly denouncing the US resolution:

Russia
China
France
Germany
India
Japan
Malysia


Any more that you have noted? Hard to keep track. Anti-US spirit is spreading like wildfire.

Edit to add:

Canada is a no show

Mexico too, I assume

[Beetwasher]

1. Iraq is a BAD investment

Whatever the bribe is, it can't be enough. The whole conflict is unpopulare with large majorities in every country (except the US and that's changing). Any country that sends their troops as cannon fodder for the US can expect a huge public backlash.

Additionally, if the US offers a piece of the Iraqi pie as a bribe, that begs the question; who wants a piece of SHIT PIE? First you'd have to pacify the country, then rebuild it and make it productive. That ain't happening anytime soon.

Finally, you'd have to trust that Bush would actually keep any promises he made to you. These countries are not stupid enough to do that, IMO.

[birdy1969]

4. Nobody trusts this admin

You're right about other countries not trusting Bush with his word.

I remember clearly when they were offering 30 million to Turkey at the beginning of the war and Turkey asked for it in WRITING

!!! WRITING !!! Goddamnit, we are the richest country in the world and they wanted the money guarantee in writing.

Their logic was that since everything goes through the Congress and the war was estimated to be over in a matter of weeks, Dubya, could simply stall them for time and later Congress would disallow the payment.

Can't say I fault them for it though. I wouldn't sell even a 25 cent cotton candy to this bunch without getting money in advance.

[Beetwasher]

8. Hey! Welcome to DU!

n/t

[E_Zapata]

10. not to mention, the US tried to have the Turk military

to strongarm the civilian parliament into 'doing the right thing."

Translation: US trying to instigate a military coup. That probably didn't sit too well with Parliament.

AND, the US would not allow the Turks to slaughter the kurds in N. Iraq.

I am sure Putin has told the Turks to just be patient - N. Iraq will be all yours in good time.

Come, we drink Vodka

[indepat]

11. Was that $30 billion

?

[newyawker99]

13. Hi birdy1969!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Kolesar]

2. Putin met with the Saudis a week ago

I see a new oil cartel forming up here. Bush managed to seize Iraq's natural resources, but we will still be on the outside. Russia has reserves about as large at Iraq or Iran or Venezuela.

[E_Zapata]

5. the ink is dry on the russo-saud oil cartel

It's a done deal: the 1st and 2nd oil producing nations have signed their oil cooperative agreement.

You don't think they aren't going to be very helpful to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela? That card game is over for the USA.

And, IF they all help the US right now, they are just feeding a monster. If they *don't* help us now, the US can fall into the toilet - barring a major miracle for Bush, that is.

I don't think even Putin could have predicted that the USA could have fouled up Iraq and screwed the US economy so royally and so irreparably so fast.

Russia, China, Saudi Arabia - they all probably thought they would need to have their alliance in place no sooner than 2008. As it turns out - I think we can stick a fork in the US - it is done. SA is sighing a huge sigh of relief that the last of the US troops are out of there. Next step: get rid of all those CIA goons.

[nomaco-10]

3. I think all of the above countries

are for sale, especially Russia. I think they can all be bought except maybe Malaysia and India, I hope I'm wrong. The Turkish people wouldn't allow their government to sell out, maybe some of these governments will be forced to forego their greed and be forced to act on behalf of the will of the people.

[Patriot_Spear]

6. Ha-ha, you're kidding right?

The Russians don't have to lift a finger and Bush* twists in the wind?

This is like a trip to Disney for those guys- you'd think they'd leave the park early?

[E_Zapata]

7. I hope I am kidding.

I sincerely hope so.

There have been some surreal twists this last year - anything could happen.

I think the BFEE may have to break into one of their trusts to pay some off.

[Patriot_Spear]

9. Russia took a bath when the US invaded Iraq...

They have no special love of shrub and the U.S. cost them dearly in Iraqi contracts.

No- the Russians won't do a thing to help Bush*.

[E_Zapata]

12. Will the Ruskies be learning the Cold War Coup Two Step?

Russia unloaded all the dead weight from the USSR. A few problems but none that the Sauds can't help fix (Chechnya).

I want to personally thank the Bush family for all of this.

Now for some Sci-Fi:

What if in the 1980s, Raygun and others got bought by the USSR? And there has been a slow turning from the inside out of the USA into the New USSR? The story line overwhelms my feeble brain. Will laugh to keep from crying.