toward winning the meme war with the right

[ulysses]

Off the cuff idea - ditch the term "neocon" in favor of the simple, and more simply understood "conservative" in all conversation. Slime the whole lot of them with the shit of Bush Inc. I know that it goes against lefty tendency to call something what it really isn't, but it's an ideal I can do without for a while. :evilgrin:

[arendt]

1. I disagree: true conservatives hate neocons

If you call the neocons "conservatives", you lose
right wingers who hate the neocons as much as we
do.

If you want to stop the constant "language games"
and "newspeak" of the Cabal, you will label them
as a militant faction that has hijacked the true
conservative GOP.

You catch more conservative flies with honey than
with vinegar. Agree with conservatives. We both
hate neocons.

arendt

[ulysses]

4. Why would I agree with conservatives?

I don't generally *like* conservatives. edit: they generally don't like me either.

The language games didn't start with the neocons. I fail to see how we're going to win any centrist conservatives to the Democratic vote unless we continue to become more conservative - and THAT'S certainly worked out well, no?

[ConsAreLiars]

15. Just plain "Cons"

Call them what they are - Cons.

These Cons are not conservatives in any decent meaning of the word, not neo-this-or-that, not Strassian philosophers, not Republicans or Democrats or Christians or atheists, despite their historical origins.

They are just Cons

Cons - they are swindlers, hucksters, thieves, vandals, murderers, psychopaths.

Cons - they are destroyers, they are thugs, they are the worst of the worst.

Cons - they have no heart and they have no soul. They are shills for the machinery of death and the human arm of a mechanism that has no heart and no soul.

Cons - they have no morals or ideals, only a insatiable lust for greater power.

The only place they will ever have a chance to glimpse the true meaning of words like justice or compassion is Prison.

Cons Lied and Humanity Died.

[Clete]

2. These ultra-right wing conservatives are fascists

plain and simple. True conservatives do not deserve to be lumped in with them. For those of you who think fascist is a strong term, all I can say is, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it's.......

[Bossy Monkey]

3. "Conservative" is always going to be perceived as good---

the question is what they're conserving. Similarly, letting them get away with attaching neo- isn't smart, because people are always going to be attracted to anything styled as new ideas, ie New Left, New Right (still waiting on the New Middle). Thus, call them reactionaries or Likudists or delusional wingnuts or treasonous PNAC weasels. But there's no point in choosing between conservative and neocon; both are terms they embrace.

[KG]

5. heck, still fighting the meme war with the centrists!

:)

[ShaneGR]

6. Hard to do, but it does make sense

After all, they scream and yell about "liberals."

[ulysses]

18. that's my point n/t

[sangh0]

7. Cheap labor conservatives

IMO, "conservative" alone will alienate some people we could attract

[Brian Sweat]

8. Don't forget

Credit Card Conservatives
Red Ink Republicans
Sunshine Soldiers

[Jim Sagle]

13. redneck socialists

[rfranklin]

10. I think we all have to work a bit harder...

and come up with something that is strongly pejorative and instantly understood.

[Melsky]

9. Radical neo-cons is what I call them

they are not conservatives. Conservatives react towards the term "radical" because in many ways it is the opposite of conservative. They probably think of it more in terms of bomb throwing hippie commie anarchists! But it really is a good definition of the radical change these idiots are bringing to our country.

Partial definition of RADICAL from the Merriam Webster online dictionary:

3 a : marked by a considerable departure from the usual or traditional : EXTREME b : tending or disposed to make extreme changes in existing views, habits, conditions, or institutions c : of, relating to, or constituting a political group associated with views, practices, and policies of extreme change d : advocating extreme measures to retain or restore a political state of affairs <the radical right>


I say, emphasize the diference between the radical neo-cons and traditional conservatives. Many old line conservatives feel neo-cons have hijacked the republican party, and do not support them at all. It's good to have them split and fighting among themselves. As the bush administration spirals downwards, they will be more angry and more split.

The main point is getting the bush cabal out of office. If traditional conservatives also hate them and want them out, it helps our cause greatly. Once a dem is in office, I hope a measure of sanity can come back to this country. Then we can turn to getting the traditional conservatives out of office.

[Pepperbelly]

11. "conservative failure" should be POUNDED ... nt

[KC21304]

12. Pat Buchanan, who considers himself a real conservative,

hates the neocons. He disparages them every chance he gets on Buchanan and Press. I don't think he is too happy with Bush right now either.

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. Get with the 21st Century

Neocons is a perfect name. It's short, sweet and to the point. I hear that word and instantly I envision Perle or Wolfowitz.

Neocons sounds like something from Bionicles or Gundams. You could make a whole series of transforming monsters out of these characters that every 10 year old in America would want to play with.

[ulysses]

16. the problem is

that "neocon", while a perfect descriptor, isn't well known. Why spend time with new definitions when we could be sliming? :D

[buddhamama]

17. conservatives stand for

conservation of the budget so their wealthy friends can have big tax cuts.

conservatives stand for conserving Justice for rich white guys so they can make more money.

conservatives stand for elitism (re:rich white guys) in all manners of life education,housing,jobs and oh yeah wealth.

[ulysses]

19. exactomundo.

:) :hi:

[buddhamama]

20. i could go on and on

don't know how i missed healthcare.

how ya' doing,ulysses? :hi:

[Classical_Liberal]

21. Why abandon an already successful meme such as neocon

?