Did I HEAR RIGHT??? Patriot Act II is called THE VICTORY ACT???

[matcom]

just heard it on CSPAN!

PLEASE tell me i need another cup of coffee!

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[disgruntella]

1. yep - that's what i heard

I can't remember if it's an Orwellian acronym like PATRIOT or not - going to look it up.

Edit: Oh , but of COURSE it is :eyes:

"Vital Interdiction of Criminal Terrorist Organizations Act of 2003, or Victory Act."

[LittleApple81]

3. This country is being led by slogans and fear. n/t

[bahrbearian]

12. SIG HEIL !!!

[joshdawg]

2. Aaaah, yes, the "victory" of

the reactionary right over the freedoms of the liberal left.

[mrbill]

4. fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum

the victory act, what a load of crap.

[qanda]

5. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!

You win the good hearing award for the morning.

[leetrisck]

6. You got it

Heard it several days ago.

[disgruntella]

7. here is draft text of the bill

Not from a primary source - can't find it in thomas.loc.gov

http://www.why-war.com/resources/files/read.php?id=122

[underpants]

9. Ah victorious victory and freedom from those cumbersome rights

There are such "winners" aren't they?

[Hubert Flottz]

8. Victory for the Nazi Hordes!

And the 5% club!

[underpants]

10. Sounds like another "Mission Accomplished" to me

It's over it's over we win!

Uh sir there is still a lot of time on the clock.

Nope! We win!

[Minstrel Boy]

11. A great old "Get Your War On"

[quilp]

13. Victory over what?

Bush claims we invaded Iraq to help those people, not to conquer them. He also claims the war on terror is on going. They have now gone to great lengths to change the "Mission Accomplished" story. What is the victory?

[mike_c]

14. finally crushing the 200 yr experiment with democracy....

The return of King George....

[Sancho Panza]

15. we live in Orwellian times

Where the titles of fascistic legislation MUST reflect a bogus and inverted set of values in order to control. It started with the renaming of the War Department into the Defense Department after World War II, and went from there.

[BiggJawn]

16. They should re-name the Dee-Oh-Dee...

BACK to the WAR Department.
"Defense" is not part of the equation anymore....

"Victory Act".....Victory against Democracy, I guess...

Makes me wonder WHY we're expending so much energy and money fighting over which Democrat is gonna be the one to tell us "Sorry folks, the White House says we're not having an election this year....National Security or some stupid shit like that..."

[BiggJawn]

17. If we have "Victory", why do we even NEED the damn thing?

They trying to tell us we need to "insure" the "victory" or some such garbage?

[never cry wolf]

18. Does anyone think it has a chance of passing??

Isn't there a bi-partisan movement in congress to ease up on some of the regs of "patriot" act I??

[IndianaGreen]

19. US attorney general’s “Patriot” tour: the specter of a police state

US attorney general’s “Patriot” tour: the specter of a police state
By Bill Vann
13 September 2003

As Ashcroft’s tour demonstrates, the administration is turning to the forces of state repression and the most backward elements in American society. It is attempting to mobilize these layers as a bulwark against growing opposition to the continuing war and occupation in Iraq and to a social and economic policy that has led to the greatest polarization between the wealthy and the broad mass of working people in the country’s history.

This is a government that has demanded—and in the case of immigrant detainees has already exercised—the right to carry out the kind of police-state measures that created thousands of “disappeared” under the military dictatorships that held power in Argentina and elsewhere in Latin America in the 1970s and 1980s.

Ashcroft is now preaching the divine right of repression. How far is it from what the administration is now proposing to actively encouraging his police audiences to moonlight as state-sanctioned death squads against its political opponents?

American working people cannot afford to reassure themselves with the conception that “it can’t happen here.” There is a logic to the predatory and militarist policy that those who rule America pursue abroad. Faced with mass opposition, they will move toward similar methods at home as well.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/sep2003/ash-s13.shtml

[kalian]

20. Yep...and you will LIKE it...schwine!

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