the dems in congress are just going to give whistle-ass his 87B,

[KG]

aren't they? :(

none of the dem leadership has stepped up to ask the chimp 'are you out of your mind?!' when he presented to outrageous demand. some have whined a little about attaching some 'accountability', but be we all know that's just empty rhetoric cuase there no way to keep track of that much money.

haven't heard any dems say, 'no fuckin' way'! to this collosal waste of resources.

of course, maybe i expect too much. the dems didn't stand firm on 2 ruinous tax cuts, and an immoral invasion.

why should i expect them to show spine on this latest attempt to bankrupt this country and mortgage it's future.

history will not be kind to the denizens of either side of the aisle for their performance during the shrubco coup.

[demnan]

1. Of course

You don't think they're going to take those pink tutus off now. Actually they can't.

Can you imagine the Republican stink machine if the Senate Dems were to vote against that money?

"Democrats don't support our troops, they're unAmerican"

"Democrats want to lose the war on terrorism"

etc, etc.

[catmandu57]

6. That's it exactly

If they don't go along with the piggies they'll be painted as anti american, saddam loving pinko fags.

[KG]

8. where does doing the right thing come into this?

why not do the right thing? if dems lose some elections, well, the blame for what happens nexts falls to the repooks.

why is going along when it's the wrong thing to do preferable? what purpose is there of being an 'opposition' party, if they never oppose the other party. i'm not talking about a couple of federal judgeships, BFD. i'm talking about vast some of money, the moral and finacial future of this country, and mass murder all over the globe.

[gully]

17. Is the right thing to leave Iraq in ruin to prove a point to Shrub?

I dunno? I am not saying hand over the $$, but I think these issues are more complex.

[KG]

23. only a fraction of that money is to rebuild iraq

most of the money will be used to consolidate US military power and presence in the mideast.

this is about doing the right thing. with-in definition almost any action could be construed as making a point to the moron.

[Brucey]

2. Yes, they will, although

I believe it will be watered down a bit to appease the public. But, most Dems believe we have a responsibility to bail out Iraq and will go along with the repugs. If only we could get some polls to show how unpopular that would be, it would help sway some votes, but still the repugs are in power.

[ronzo]

3. Yes, ultimately...

It does provide congress a little political leverage. They should be able to get some answers from the neocons, I think. In the end, from a PR standpoint, they have to give in.

[Starpass]

4. The Dems have replied and did in their debate

it's selective listening that's at work. They have said they will give him what it takes for the troops but they are going to go over him with a fine toothed comb about the rest of the bullshit. In fact in a direct question to Kerry, Kerry said if this guy doesn't present answers, doesn't get UN help, and doesn't present an exit strategy so we know where we are going with this, he will vote against it. That's basically what they all said. If they denied him we are dead in '04 because they will point to it as leaving the troops unprotected. But they are making a stand on the "reconstruction" money that is going into Haliburton and the no-bid process.

[diplomats]

11. I agree

I think they'll attach strings and demand answers because Bush is on the defensive now.

[KG]

12. this ain't about the candidates.

and the accountability and strings crap is just a smoke screen.

the 87B is funding for something deeply wrong, and nobody is bring up how the wrong will be righted, just how will it get paid for.

[Raven]

5. I think it will be hard for the dems

to deny Bush the money since some of it is going toward support of our troops over there. But they could put alot of strings on the money. I heard Ted Kennedy suggesting that last week. I wonder if they could put Bush on a withdrawal schedule and only authorize enough funds to transition and get our troops out in, say, 6 months. They also ought to require all contracts to be bid.

[KG]

13. well, of course it would be hard!!!

it would also be the right thing to do.

just like for the war resolution - when does political expediancy stop being the sole criteria for how decisions of this magnitude are made?

[birdman]

7. Of course they are

They don't want to seem like they're not all gung ho for
that war on terra.

Their spines are shriveling up and disappearing as we type.

[sistersofmercy]

9. A number of Dems have been critical but unfortunately the 87 bil is

being presented to the american public as needed for troop support which puts the Dems between a rock and hard place. Basically Bush Co has pulled another one of their underhanded tactics for getting their way. If Dems don't vote to give the money Bush Co are basically saying their not supporting our troops in a time of war.
Junior used a similar tactic in his speech when saying it is the international community's duty and responsibilty to aid in the "peacekeeping" efforts in Iraq.

[JohnKleeb]

10. "no chance" Kucinich doesnt wanna give it to him

:thumbsup: DK

[KG]

14. DK is OK with KG

:)

[JohnKleeb]

21. yay

Isnt that great?

[KG]

26. DK is one the few congess critters

with the foresight to see the right thing to do, and the personal courage to do it.

[JohnKleeb]

28. one of the reasons why I support him

He has courage. I think if he had a bit of media coverage he might be doing better.

[KG]

30. you have chosen wisely, grasshopper

:)

[JohnKleeb]

31. why thanks KG

always proud to support him.

[LittleApple81]

15. During the Congressional Briefing with Military Families to End U.S.

Military involvement in Iraq on Sept 10 (video found in C-Span) representative Maxine Waters (D, CA) and two other democratic representatives present at the hearing PROMISED to say no to the 87 billion. But I don't think democrats really have a chance to prevail on this.

[KG]

16. of course the dems could be out voted.

but why should a single dem show any kind of endorsement of such immoral strategy by voting to give the moron this money? and why isn't the wrong-headedness of the occupation of iraq being brought up daily and loudly by dem leadership.

[ronzo]

36. Dems aren't the only ones pissed off...

It seems there are repub congressmen who've felt jerked around through this whole thing. Go figure.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/09/politics/main572278.shtml

[Flying_Pig]

18. There is a way to stop it!!

Go here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=330989

[leesa]

19. Have they ever denied him anything?

It appears most of our 'representatives' will do anything that is in the interests of the Israeli government, no matter how much it hurts the US.

[KG]

24. i haven't been able to fully comprehend

the amount of influence isreal has in US ME policy dicisions but i'm certain it's substantial.

[leftofthedial]

20. Rep. Kucinich said no

Unequivocally "no."

[JohnKleeb]

22. horrah for Dennis

[Cocoa]

25. let your reps know your views

How do we really know what's going to happen, who knows if they've even decided. It could be that part of what influences them is the feedback they get from constituents.

So far I haven't heard a lot of definite yesses or nos. I think in addition to Dennis, that Jim McDermott has said no. But I think most of them are thinking hard, maybe they're coordinating a strategy on what to try to get out of Bush in the exchange. I've heard reversing the tax cuts is a possibility for example.

[KG]

27. why should demcrats have to remind their representatives to oppose

the opposition?

one might think it was part of the job description.

maybe they need to review their employee manual?

[Cocoa]

37. I see it differently than you

What you're describing is knee-jerk opposition, and if that's their job then their job could be done by a monkey.

My representative and Senators are no monkeys, even the republican Senator, fortunately, so I they actually think about every single vote they cast. When I do express my views to them they always thank me profusely, and I think it's sincere, because they do need to know what their constituents think.

[StandWatie]

29. They sort of have to

if they don't *they* will be the reason we lost the invasion war. I mean eventually somehow or another when they finally get the point they aren't wanted there and never, ever, ever will be and leave it's going to be our fault anyway but if you don't hand W his money to go piss around in Iraq with it will happen right now and give him a bulletproof escape route and a scapegoat.

[Pastiche423]

32. Listening to the Midnight Dems

speaking in any empty House, to go on record, gave me some hope a few days ago. They said the $87B was bullshit in Congress-ese.

Also listening to Senators Kennedy, McCain (!), and Byrd (he said Congress is not an ATM) interrogate Wolfie about the invasion gave me a little more hope.

But, I need a lot more hope. I am hoping that during the recess, when all of the Congress people went back home and listened to their constintuents, they got more than an earful about our true economic woes.

Combine that w/the flood of emails they all received after whistle ass' request, maybe it will be voted down.

Maybe?

[KG]

33. sorry, sweetness, but the dems will cave.

the series of chimp enabling acts by the dems has backed them into this corner.

they still have the chance to the atone for their earlier mistakes and correct the situation - but they won't.

[buddhamama]

34. they'll give him some massive amount

not sure he'll get the full amount that remains to be seen.

[KG]

35. not one thin dime should a dem vote to continue the insane policies

at the expense of the rebuilding needed here and bankrupting the future of this country. let's also face the fact that - THIS MONEY JUST DOES NOT EXIST! there is no revenue to support it, due to insane taxe cuts that many dems. voted for!!!

this money has nothing to do with 'rebuilding' iraq in. haven't we learned anything about the true motives of these criminals? the RW couldn't care less about bring 'democracy' to iraq. RWers abhore democracy!