OK Listen up all DUers! I have a concern that I must get off my chest.

[sistersofmercy]

It is obvious to me the right-wingers are becoming increasingly more violent prone in their verbal attacks of liberals. I have been the target of such hateful vulgarities by right-wingers in other chat rooms. Some I can only think "Is this person psychotic or what?"
But I am beginning to believe as Bush Co reveal themselves more and more as the criminal failures they are, the right-wingers are pointing their fingers at us as the scapegoats. This is fueled by Hannity and other RW pundits who are saying protesers and dissenter are part of the problem. In other words they are trying to portray us as the enemy. What they are doing is appealing to the extremely psycho ring-wingers such as the ones who blow up abortion clinics.

So here's my point, while out protesting please always be aware of your surroundings and the ppl in them. I certainly don't mean we shouldn't continue to protest but please just be careful.

[ewagner]

1. Always good advice n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

2. Very good point

It is the kind of hate talk and blame that they throw at us that makes us unsafe. It is the same kind of hate that is preached against homosexuals and causes a Matthew Shepard to be murdered.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. Any one who perpetrates any violence on me should expect the same

in return. I don't suppress myself for anyone.

Not that I don't agree with your point to be aware.

[Capn Sunshine]

6. CYA--always take NSMA to protests

it's the sensible thing to do :)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. Hey I accompanied my father to strikes where he was attacked

at a very young age - which is why when a certain little asshole tried to suggest that I was some kind of limousine liberal on a thread about racism the other day I just wanted to throttle the stupid fuck.

[efhmc]

11. Okay,now I know I want you with me!!!

[LWolf]

12. limousine liberal???

Never mind. I don't want to know. :eyes:

[TrueBlueDem]

29. No doubt he was a Country Club Conservative (n/t)

[PopSixSquish]

10. Exactly!!!

NSMA is one of the people I want watching my back if I'm ever at a protest. I've read enough of her stuff here on DU to know that she is one tough lady and I'm proud to "know" her :hi:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. Thanks to all of you for the compliments

Don't get me wrong. I am not stupid and look out for myself as well as others, but I really resent people who will gladly mouth off on the internet from the comfort of their own home and fold up like a little cream puff to your face.

One of my earliest incidents with violence was being in a grocery store where my high school boyfreind was shot to death. I confronted my own death then and everything I could have done, didn't do, etc....real courage is needed when things require it.

People shouting you down or trying to intimidate you is a time when it is required.

Anything worth standing up for is worth dying for.

[Sophree]

22. That is horrible.

Most of us can't even begin to imagine how horrible that must have been, I'm so sorry. I saw American History X for the first time a few weeks ago and that was as close as I ever want to come to that kind of violence, especially in a damn grocery store. My God.

[karlschneider]

17. Damn right. As a Liberal with lots of guns, I stay ready.

Uh, and 2 large dogs that sleep lightly. :D

[Clete]

4. I'm afraid we are the new hate group of the fascist

regime. Germany's Hitler had the Jews to hate, Stalin's Russia the capitalists and Pinochet in Chile, the Communists. Liberals are the targets of the PNAC in this century.

[sistersofmercy]

Excellent way to put it! May peace soon prevail.

[Trek234]

28. Actually

Liberals were targeted in Germany and Russia just as much as Jews.

So were gays. Of course a lot of people leave out mention of those deaths for some reason...

[Woodstock]

30. Quote

"In Germany they first came for the Communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up." ~ Pastor Martin Niemoller

[Arbustosux]

5. kind of like the right-wingers in

the movie Bob Roberts....frightening!

[sistersofmercy]

15. Exactly! Great movie BTW.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

7. I have dealt with many a threat from freepers

All 5'4" of me has managed to intimidate people twice my size. There are a lot of nuts out there, and you're right about the agitprop from BushCo inflaming the mentally unstable.

[jonnyblitz]

27. yeah that one at the Ashcroft Fanuil Hall thing was scary wasn't he?!

But we sure told him!!!LOL :crazy:

[ThoughtCriminal]

9. Oklahoma City

There is NO question that some of them are unstable enough to commit mass murder.

[bluestateguy]

13. We have the right to defend ourselves

If these fools decide to pysically attack peaceful protestors (i.e. running them over with SUV's, etc), they have the right to defend themselves. One can be anti-war but not a pacifist.

[sistersofmercy]

16. Of course one has a right to self-defense, I'm just concerned about

the fanatics who shoot doctors who perform abortions or other devastating violent crimes. I'm just saying be aware of your surroundings. Be safe!

[bluestateguy]

19. My point exactly

And the doctors who perform abortions in "red" counties have to protect themselves with guns because local law enforcement looks the other way at the threats they receive from fundamentalist wackos.

[sistersofmercy]

20. These ppl frighten me, I refuse to shut up but I'm cautious..

Some of the things said to me can only come from the truly demented.

[mbee]

24. Back around the Masters Golf thing a pug I know who was going

there made a comment that they couldn't wait to see Jesse Jackson down there organizing some type of demonstration I think to allow women in the club down there. I came back right away with a response that his demonstrations had been overshadowed by the brooks bros riots orchestrated by the R/W that shut down the vote count in one Florida County, etc. After I said that I haven't heard one word again from this person. We need to give them a taste of their own medicine and just keep bringing up the types of organized riots they conduct to overturn democracy.

[eauclaireliberal]

18. Do what I do:

Buy yourself a piece. I've got a HK 9mm (plus some hunting rifles) which the freepers are more than welcome to...should they try, they do so at their own peril.

Second Amendment, baby: It's my right, too. Fuck 'em.

[whirlygigspin]

21. get a stun gun

and zap a freeper for Jesus!

:silly:

[eauclaireliberal]

25. RE: "get a stun gun"

Hey, screw that: stun guns don't help to improve the quality of the American gene pool...

[rainydaywoman]

23. I'm being harrassed on another

message board about weightlifting. All I did was put up a Dean avatar and this freeper starts pm-ing me. You're not even free to put up a pic w/out being attacked. It's pitiful.
I know this in no way is the kind of violence you all are talking about, but it just shows how freepers can't live and let live.

Take Care and watch your backs!!!

[eauclaireliberal]

26. Aim for the "V" above the knees...

"Aim for the 'V' above the knees, Kevlar may deflect the rest: Turn a rooster into a hen day."

Here free-eeper, free-eeper, free-eeper...

[rainydaywoman]

34. LOL!!

I'm ignoring him and he seems to be getting more juvenile.

I'm just trying to help out some newbies wanting to better there health.

[Jackpine Radical]

35. Sounds like you agree with Dave Zien on at least one issue.

For those outside N. Wis., Zien is a WI State senator who is pushing concealed carry legislation in the state. He's a total RW wacko who rides around his district on a Harley flying a big flag on the back of the bike, and is known for getting into fights with other bikers. It's commonly suspected that he's a wife beater (having been through three wives) but they're all too scared to testify against him.

He's also a --uh, big gun in the Defense of Marriage Act debate.

[zeemike]

31. Wait now.

Don’t get too excited. You have to remember that most of this is just bluster.
They try to win by intimidation and the use of fear. And generally the people that do that are cowards for the most part and would not act on much of what they say.
The only way to beat them at their own game is to stand up to them and show no fear.

[sistersofmercy]

32. I hope that you are right but still some of thes ppl are unstable.

[sandnsea]

33. What I want to do

I have my DU sticker on the left side of the rear window (ha ha left side). Now I want to get one of those 'cold blooded hand gun stickers' and put it on the right side. Really confuse the assholes so they don't know what to do with me!!!

Not this situation exactly, but I thought I'd post it for all gun rights DUers.

[quaker bill]

36. The critical difference

You can theorize all you wish about what Bush would have done if the resolution was worded differently. We will never know for certain because of the blank check handed him in the resolution that passed.

It would be irresponsible for anyone running for President to state that they would not be willing to act unilaterally to defend the country from a clear and imminent threat, Iraq or elsewhere. Pre-emptive strikes under such circumstances are countenanced under the just war doctrines of international law.

The problem here is that it was clear on first inspection that any threat from Iraq was well contained and that war was not necessary to address any threat posed by this regime. There were many other less violent options available to the Bush Administration. This is where Dean seperates himself from the pro-war resolution crowd.

The votes in the house and senate in support of the resolution for war on Iraq are intellectually indefensible on any grounds other than political expediency.

Millions of people understood that Iraq was no imminent threat to the US and showed up in the streets to say so. If we understood this, the men running for President had to know as well. Bob Graham (leading Democrat, senate intelligence committee) had the best access to pre-war intelligence of any Democrat stood up on the floor of the senate and stated that there was no imminent threat. These men knew better and voted for the resolution anyway.

Please don't waste your or my time on the GWB tricked them line. This man had been disembling for years and they all knew that to. They were simply attempting to wash their hands of the whole affair and trying to get out of the "anti-american" trap Bush put them in. It was simple political expediency nothing more. Pour as much perfume on this pig as you can and it still won't smell good.

Those who voted for this resolution have to live with the result and responsibility for it. There is no integrity in trying to have it both ways.

[Flying_Pig]

37. Fascists beat down your door, .....what're you gonna do?

The very reason for the Second Amendment is becoming clear. As a well-armed liberal, these times are exactly why I became well armed.

Listening to Rush, and especially Savage-Weiner, exhort their followers to commit violence against liberals, it's only a matter of time, especially as Bush becomes well-browned toast, before attacks start. It may even lead to civil war, UNLESS, the crimes of this regime are made so public, that even the wingers will no longer support them. As for me, I am not going to take the chance that the media will suddenly turn on them, and will remain well-armed, and ready to defend myself, my family, my property, and my country.

[SuffragetteSal]

38. good idea

there was a truck in front of me yesterday while going down the road that had bumper stickers all over it - one read 'There Are Americans and then there are Liberals'. I was quite insulted but he looked like he carried a firearm so I kept my distance.