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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 06:42 PM
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Newsweek Poll: Bush down to 52% and majority oppose $$ for Iraq
Iraq is becoming more and more a political liability for George Worthless Bush. Ths Newsweek poll is just the latest to point this out.

* 51% majority oppose the administrations $87 billion in funds for Iraq and Afghanistan.

* 46% say US should reduce the number of troops in Iraq.

* 48% say Bush didn't have a well-thought out plan for post-war Iraq.

* Bush approval on both Iraq and foreign policy in general down 7%

* 51% say they are not happy with Bush handling of economy.

* Only 43% approve of the way Bush handles tax policy.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/966022.asp?0cv=CA01

Have you noticed how Bush by and large only campaigns at military bases? Kind of like LBJ during the dark days of Vietnam.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 06:48 PM
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1. "We" Broke Iraq
the moral thing to do is to fix it... I don't understand folks opposition to that....


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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 06:59 PM
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2. Let me make an analogy.

I think no one is opposed to "fixing" iraq. But imagine the US is a senior citizen couple. This couple was financially stable with a good income and a solid investment base up to the last three years. Then a con man came along and flim flammed them out of their investments, so that now they owe more than they take in. Pile on top of this the fact that they also pay for the drugs that keep them alive.

What would you do if you were them?

That's the position our country is in now. We owe almost literally everyone in the world. Our tax base has been flim flammed to the point that our income does not come near paying the bills. And now we have to rebuild a country that we destroyed.

Many of us would be real interested in hearing your suggestions as to how we are going to pay for all this, while giving the rich tax breaks that they wouldn't even dream about befor the con man took over.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:08 PM
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7. If I Deliberately Destroy Your Home
my inability to pay to rebuild it is not a legal, moral , or ethical justification not to....
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:11 PM
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9. Warning: Controversial response
The US owes lots of countries and can't pay them back.

It can either go bankrupt - or be collected by the countries it owes.

Since the pukes want to eradicate bankruptcy for its citizens and force them to live in misery, the same should apply to the US in regards to the other countries. The US becomes annexed by the rest of the world.

The US won't do jack shit about corporate fascism, but maybe someone else will. I'm all for it.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:01 PM
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3. What if fixing Iraq is impossible?
It would take hundreds of thousands of troops to pacify Iraq. We don't have nearly enough, and the international community that Duhbya whizzed on his not going to help.

So if it's impossible, do we still need to do it?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:10 PM
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8. We Broke It
The moral imperative is that we fix it....


It is part of common law that if you injure somebody it is up to you to make them whole again...


We need to make Iraq whole again...

To not do so amplifys the crime...
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:14 PM
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11. We better go back to Viet Nam
because we never fixed that one either!!!
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:02 PM
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4. Buyer's remorse.
They bought the administrations's argument and now regret it. Not surprising. However, we are responsible for Iraq and should make * pay for his deception.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:15 PM
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12. Yes
the BFEE probably have the 87 Billion to cover the down payment..
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:39 PM
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16. They probably do, but don't expect them to pony up.
They are better at bleeding the treasury. Their payment will be via the election.
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:07 PM
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6. The problem I see
is that if "we" try to fix Iraq, it will somehow end up in Halliburton's hands. Is there any way we can help Iraq without harming it?
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:23 PM
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14. I think you are right
that we have to help rebuild the country, but we should also get the hell out of there.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:36 PM
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15. yub yub yub
I agree 100% . we have an obligation to fix it. Thats all there is to it.

I hope nobody thinks a dem pres will pull out from iraq and stuff because it Wont happen.

Just be sure to thank bush for it
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:46 PM
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18. It Won't Happen
because it will be an even bigger mess if that's imaginable.....

Think of a confederacy between Iraqi Shias and Iranian Shias and persecution of the Kurds and minority Sunnis...

Think of the settling of old score between Saddam loyalists and anti-Saddam loyalists...

Think of a war of all against all in a region that holds the lions share of the world's oil supplies...

There was a rumor or myth about General Ulysess S. Grant's military prowess and hard drinking.... The saying went "whatever he's drinking I want some."

The Bushies have turned that saying on it's head. "Whatever they're drinking I don't want any."
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:06 PM
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5. Can Americans (not all of them) have NO SHAME????
They bought Mr. Bush's Used Car (a real LEMON) and now they are stuck with it! They have to pay to fix it and if they don't like it then don't buy a car again!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:12 PM
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10. DId they choose to buy?
The Stuporeme Court selected Bush.

They should get the blame, too.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:18 PM
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13. Yes they were given a shieshter salesman, indeed...
but still they did not have to buy the car! They bought it because they were and still are idiots who thought that the
GREEN RUSTED FORD PINTO BEHIND THE GARBAGE DUMPSTER WAS A FIVE STAR RATED VOLVO!!! Now, if you believed that too then that's just too bad then!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 07:43 PM
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17. Yep.
It was a Pinto.
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