A message to Republicans

[kentuck]

Listen up, you morons. Be sure to write yourself a note to get up on election day and go down there and pull the lever for George W Bush. You are beyond redemption and you are taking the country down the tubes. I know you are proud of being a conservative. If you only knew what a "conservative" was? Listen to Rush Limbaugh and the other "brilliant" people in your Party until your brains turn to mush. It's your decision. Don't even try to blame Bill Clinton. Step up to the plate and accept some responsibility.

It doesn't matter if you have lost your jobs or that your parents cannot afford medicine to keep them alive. Your loyalties are to the big drug companies and the corporations that make this country run. Don't be fooled by all that "populist" talk about the "people". You are the wise ones. Just keep that faith alive. Things will be better by election day. Then you can all sing in unison, "Happy Days Are Here Again". Keep dreamin'. Your dream is about to end.

[ablbodyed]

1. They'll never give up power

Not when they're SOOOO close to consolidating it. With the black box voting and the militias (did you think that they disappeared with Tim McVeigh, a personality who's creation I can fully understand living here in Western NewYork) people with minds won't have a chance.

[Brucey]

2. Reagan and others sold the idea that taxes were too high,

the goal being to bring an end to such benefits as Social Security that rich people don't need. What is sad is that even poor people have accepted this idea. I believe a higher percentage of poor voted for Ronnie than the wealthy. Of course, funneling public money to big corporations is perfectly respectable. Corporations uber alles!

[AmeriCanadian]

5. Hold on a minute ...

... I'm no Republican but taxes were and are too high. I get whooped out of 38% of my income each year!

[leesa]

7. I don't think that's too much for public services if they work

You could have your taxes reduced, or make the under-funded social programs work better by rebating the bloated defense budget or moving it to social needs programs...roads, public health, social security, etc. As Amerikans we love to beat up on people around the world so we have to have the huge waste of the defense budget....or is it a scam by folks such as Bush 1, Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Powell, Rice and all the other 'war whores' who make enormous amounts of money by fomenting wars.

[AmeriCanadian]

8. ... Yup, but your "ifs" don't outweigh

... my inevitable

[Brucey]

11. Please

see recent article by Paul Krugman, economist at Princeton, in the New York Times magazine. Taxes in US have not changed much in decades, except lower for the rich, and have never been high compared to other Western countries.

[Deja Q]

12. Well, if Reagan and Bush* balanced their budgets... The 20% of tax

currently collected wouldn't be needed to pay back the debt and could go back to the people or provide other services.

Republicans are exterminating this country for all but their special interests (big business).

And quite wilfully as, by getting us this much into debt, it gives them the excuse to say that the government is spending too much. "Too much" meaning all those social programs people need. As a result, they get cut. Swing voters and many Americans still haven't grasped this horrible, horrible reality.

They're killing off lots of aspects of America which benefit all but big business and the big corporate executives. Their hatred of and the callousness toward the working class only makes me more hateful and callous of them in return. The wealthy/corporate element are engaging in something that makes Hitler's treatment of the Jews and (perceived homosexuals) look like a romantic summertime picnic by comparison. At least the Jews got a quick death. The pukes want the rich to remain rich by eliminating our jobs or setting up a situation where we, the working class, get paid much less for what we do. And then there's the poor and homeless situations; these are people they hate far more than any other group.

And don't forget. Big corporations like wal-mart (and others) have extermined towns and such by moving into a new area, mercilessly killing off the "mom'n'pop" businesses with their "lower prices" (or perceived appearance of lower prices), and then suddenly realizing the area they just moved into isn't "economically viable" due to an unsurprisingly small customer base so they move out. The result is such upheaval that the town does not survive. This has been documented, even on "60 Minutes" - you know, that liberal "tv magazine" show. You think these big corporations have Estimators and other positions which analyze the areas they intend to move into... :eyes: Personally, such corporations are simply callous, greedy, and malicious.

A lifetime of misery, poverty, and the associated pain is what the pukes want for the majority of us. The prevalence and dominance of big business makes the small business' ability to survive virtually impossible, yet alone thrive... (as a small business, I could make $40/hr or more for what I do. But Best Buy, CompUSA, etc, provide the same service for less, pay their employees much less, and have better advertisement and much better coverage. I have no hope - and the employees who do the same work for "much less" know it too.) Dunno how you feel about the issue, but to me poverty and misery a fate worse than death.

[kentuck]

3. I guess I'm not going to get any lurking Repubs to respond....??

:)

[babzilla]

4. my message to republicans

Have you heard about Howard Dean?

http://republicansfordean.blogspot.com/

[corporalclegg9]

6. I find that offensive.

I don't want to start a rant, but I just want to say that I am registered as a Republican, but due to thoughtful and respectful discussions, I have realized that my views don't mesh with what the current Republican party (i.e. the GWB administration) is pushing for.

My basic point is that attacks on a large group aren't going to help anybody. Attack policies, attack the current administration, convince Republicans like myself that the current administration isn't supporting what we think. I do this with my father all the time, and slowly but surely he looks up some facts, he reevaluates his opinions, and I believe that he's going to vote for a Democrat in 2004.

If I had called him up and said, "Dad, you're a stupid Republican, why don't you go vote for Bush and ruin the country," I would have guaranteed GW another vote in 2004.

[ablbodyed]

9. very cogent argument but,

We Dems have been taking it up the p..p chute (sailors are SO colorful) for a couple of decades. It's time we give as good back. As to making clear, reasonable arguments for/with people who are proud that they don't think... well, it seems to be a hurricane of wasted breath.
Still I admire your for your effort, and commend others to do so.

[corporalclegg9]

10. Definately give it back, but to the right people

I am all for giving it back, but I guess I just don't like the idea of attacking a label, because then I think you create a black/white issue and you cause people to be defensive. People are naturally defensive when they feel that they are attacked, and if you attack "Republicans" you not only attack the people that you wanted to attack to begin with, but you also attack a lot of people who simply consider themselves a Republican but don't really know why. Maybe their family was always Republican. Maybe they checked a random box on the voter application. But once they do check that box, they are now "a Republican" and thus become defensive when Republicans are attacked.

I hated Clinton throughout the 90's. Why? I dunno. I'm a Republican and I'm SUPPOSED to hate Clinton.

Well, nowadays I consider myself much more educated about politics in general, and I completely understand the process that I underwent that caused me to evaluate my opinions on things. The biggest barrier that I faced was becoming entrenched in a defensive war simply because my label, the "Republicans", were under attack.

For the record, I support Howard Dean, and I know that there's a growing movement of Republicans who support Dean. In fact, you can buy buttons from his website that say "Another Republican for Dean". Because of thinking like this, I don't have to be defensive. I can still be a Republican and support Dean.

In my opinion, by making it "okay" to be a Republican, hearts and minds can be opened to the possibility of supporting a Democratic candidate.

[Deja Q]

13. Far fewer people voted Green in 2002 than in 2000 (and who's the commie?)

My guess is, so many Democrats whined and whinged that Nader was to blame that people stopped voting 3rd party.

I do know a few Republicans who I agree with. If anything, I should use the label "neo-con" rather than to lump all Republicans into the same pot. They see how big business is going too far. But what can they do? They see Democrats and everybody else as communists (!!! which is the exact opposite of the truth; we're for social freedom. We just want restrictions on corporations, whose actions are far more fascist and what would be labeled as "communist" than anything we're accused of being. Examples: I can't work on the side without informing HR what I do. That's none of their business and is fascism. They monitor every web page and e-mail people see and will do anything to spin situations so that the employee looks bad and gets disciplined as severely as possible. I am not joking. Policy states that if I got arrested in a peaceful protest (which has been happening to lots of people lately thanks to our fascist-friendly government, which is why I don't go to any...), that would be grounds for termination of employment!!! If that isn't fascism, what the hell is? Corporations all over are doing this fascist stuff too. I'm hardly alone in this insanity. "Guilty until proven innocent and we wouldn't care anyway if you were" is their credo. I haven't even covered the tip of the iceberg yet and I've described some very 1984-ish stuff. Big government isn't Big Brother. It's big business that is.

Go ahead and guarantee that vote for Bush, if that's what you're implying. Let the petty words of one person overrule logic and rationality. That's what America is about, being vindictive and emotive rather than fighting for truth and justice.