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coloradodem2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 01:59 AM Original message |
How did many of the liberals of the 60's and 70's become Neo-cons? |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. many of them were "liberals" only because they wanted to avoid |
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dbeach (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. sharp pt! |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
2. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Bingo! |
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Lisabtrucking (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
3. Their brains got fried out from all the drugs and became those |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
4. "beatniks are out to make it rich" |
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knowbody0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
5. i stood by watching the hippies turn into yuppies |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 03:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
28. Didn't that just break your heart??? |
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knowbody0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. and i turned around again |
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Gemini Cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 07:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
50. Isn't that the difference between the "hippies" |
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spindoctor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
6. What's the saying? |
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. That's the wrong saying, that's what the Fascist say |
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spindoctor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Ach so! |
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steelyboo (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 12:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. Still Wrong |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
8. They were bourgeois liberals all along. |
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izzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 06:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
36. I think your right about a lot here |
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adwon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
9. Hmm |
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tyedyeto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
11. I graduated H.S. in 1970 and thought we were a progressive bunch until.... |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 05:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
35. My tenth grade elected a class prez who was a bully |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
12. I'd be interested in seeing some real data. |
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the_spectator (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 03:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. They were trotskyist. |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 03:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Utopians of the worst sort. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
14. Because most of them weren't really liberals. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:22 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Exactly--they still think like Leninists and talinists, |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Yes, I have felt for a long time |
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GettysbergII (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 03:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Actually they were Troskyites for the most part and still adhere to those |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 03:45 AM Response to Reply #14 |
30. I consider myself a libertarian socialist, but I find it hard to "jump" |
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the_spectator (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
15. Read Norman Podhoretz's "Breaking Ranks" |
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necso (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
16. It isn't a far journey |
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eaglenetsupport (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
18. I can't believe I'm seeing these utterances |
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thoughtanarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 03:38 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. well said |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
40. yup, and based on unsubstantiated assumptions |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. Hmmm, how do I put this delicately? |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
20. The two biggest reasons I can think of are |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
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LdyGuique (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 03:04 AM Response to Original message |
23. All of you are missing the Straussian connection |
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MollyStark (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
29. They did? |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 03:55 AM Response to Original message |
31. It largely had to do with their infatuation with US might and power |
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ribrepin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 04:14 AM Response to Original message |
32. Congressman Tom Foley of Washington State |
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Elwood P Dowd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 04:17 AM Response to Original message |
33. I need a 30 inch monitor to read this thread! |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 05:31 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Weren't really Liberals at all. Just some outer facets, no compassionate |
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coloradodem2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 10:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Funny. are you saying that my generation are the Cons? |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
38. I think Trotskyists eventually became lowly-regarded by the rest |
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Itsthetruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Huh? The Socialist Workers Party Evolved Into A Sect |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 07:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. History question for you |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-05 01:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. I never said anything about the SWP and YSA |
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Itsthetruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-05 09:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. If You Disagreed With That Description Why Did You Use It? |
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Zorro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
39. Not really that many more liberals then |
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morgan2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
41. I think it may be an over exposure problem. |
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ElkHunter (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
42. Today's neo-cons are nothing more... |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
43. There's more money in being a right-winger. n/t |
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kliljedahl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
47. Hey I resent that |
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