Gen Clark & Fabiani (Lehane), Bill, and now Hilliary Clinton

[Vis Numar]

When did the "Draft Clark" netroots movement morph into the CLinton/Gore regime? These are some very poor decisions that are being made in Little Rock right now!

[CMT]

1. did I miss something?

did Hillary endorse him?

[meegbear]

2. What are you rambling about?

[Vis Numar]

4. On Fox News

So maybe it's not true, but HRC is going to run Clark's NY campaign-- state director.

[diplomats]

9. She might be some figurehead director

but I'll bet Harold Ickes is running it. I wouldn't pay attention to Fox.

[Donna Zen]

11. I think that is rightwing shit...

So careful what you step in.

iirc, one of the NY bosses with ties to the Clintons (but then who isn't tied) will be running the state show.

[Clark Can WIN]

Oh good God

All you had to say was

On Fox News

Please, they are having a freakin' fearquake over there.:scared:

[CentristDemocrat]

3. Yes, Clinton isn't a good political mind or anything.

:eyes:

[Vis Numar]

5. THey are OK

It's not that, its just, how did this "grassroots" effort morph into this ultra-establishment campaign overnight?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

7. Thank Howard Dean for that

Everyone was so terrifed of him winning the primary and losing HUGE to Bush, drastic measures were taken. Since Clark is the most electable, everyone is getting behind him. Thank God they are, we need to get Bush out.

[Vis Numar]

12. Yea, right

So essentially, all the "draft Clark" people were duped, and can forget about playing a major role in the Clark campaign (ala Dean's 'from the ground up' support).

[diplomats]

16. Do you know the draft Clark people are being left out?

I haven't heard that.

[Vis Numar]

21. Have you heard of any of them coming on

in an offical manner? I haven't...

[diplomats]

25. I do know that George Bruno, who's involved in N. Hampshire

with draft Clark, attended the meeting in Little Rock. My understanding is the grass-roots people will kick into high gear. Now, there may eventually be differences of opinion on tactics at some point, but they're all working together for now.

[tjdee]

45. In a whole day? Gee, I guess not.

Everyone loves to jump the gun around here.

Also, I've not seen evidence that the draft Clarkers wanted a place at the table. AFAIK, they just wanted him to run.

Mission Accomplished.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

19. yes, the Deanieboppers were duped

They actually though they were working to elect a liberal progressive, and found out they were working for a DLC pro-NAFTA centrist, the worst part one who couldn't win.

Dean's "from the ground up support"? - you mean Dean's astro-turf campaign? Most of us aren't suckers. Why would you believe a politician anyway?

[blm]

20. Nail on the head!

.

[Vis Numar]

23. "Dean's astro-turf campaign?"

You are drinking BLM's kool aid, careful ;)

[Jim Sagle]

30. I don't believe everyone on the web either.

[returnable]

32. Who cares?

As someone who worked in the Draft Clark movement, I really never thought about playing a "major role" in the campaign.

The goal all along was to get the General to run.

That goal was achieved.

The goal now is to win the nomination. That's what matters. And to that end, I'll play whatever role is asked of me, no matter how "minor" it may be.

It doesn't matter to me who's "in charge". If anything, I'm impressed by the heavy hitters he's lined up - these were the kind of people so many experts said it was too late for Clark to attract.

[retyred]

34. BINGO!

We helped get him to run, now we help get him funded and eventually we help him celebrate victory.

For me to know I helped is enough.


CLARK FOR PRESIDENT
Retyred IN FLA.

[returnable]

35. Cheers!

We'll make it happen, retyred!

[karlschneider]

10. I don't know there was ever all that much 'grassroot' for Clark. Dean, yes

?

[Vis Numar]

17. Sure there is

Clark's netroots are second only to Dean, without a doubt. I am just wondering aloud in this thread what those folks are going to think about having no power, no say, in the campaign.

[uptohere]

18. what grassroots effort ?

Clark is a pre-fab candidate. You did know that didn't you ?

[leetrisck]

37. It didn't & hasn't

bit the right wing would have you believe that. Claark is from Arkansas so where should he start his campaign. Fox has bashing Clark ever since they thought he might be a Democrat. My heavens - how could a General be a Democrat. Watch now - they'll start calling him Mr. Clark or Wesley Clark - they'll make sure they never say General again - just like the little ass Hannity.

[oasis]

50. If he gets the nod, "the General" or "Gen.Clark" vs. Dubya is something

Rove's $200,000,000 campaign warchest won't be able to overcome.

[janekat]

47. It just shows that Clark has the best chance - what's wrong with that?

n/t

[diplomats]

6. Um, Clark is from Little Rock

So of course prominent Arkansans would back him. They know the guy. And people want to work for Clark because they see him as having the best chance of beating Bush. Is that some sort of crime?

[Vis Numar]

8. Fabiani (Lehane) are not from LR

Besides, that's not the question, get it?

[diplomats]

13. What's the big deal about Fabiani?

And you should probably mention in your anti-Clark posts that you're a Dean supporter. Get it?

[Vis Numar]

15. I like Clark second

I actually liked Clark a lot more before. Fabiani is Lehanes partner, it's a package, get it? Quit avoiding the topic with repug tactics of attacking the messenger.

[diplomats]

22. OK, I'll say it again: What's wrong with Fabiani and Lehane?

That's my question. (BTW, I never "attacked" you. I just didn't like your "get it" remark, treating me like I was some 2-year-old.)

[Vis Numar]

24. Lehane is a jerk

He's rephrehensible, do some google search on him, look at what's he's said about other Democrats, he's a skunk.

I never thought you attacked me-- much to thick here to take it as such.

[diplomats]

28. I think Fabiani's OK, though

Was Lehane that bad when he worked for Gore? And is Lehane joining Clark? I just knew he left Kerry's campaign.

[Julien Sorel]

14. They still have the connections, from there or not.

[Donna Zen]

44. OMG BB

Your new picture just put me on the floor! LOL

[sangh0]

26. Hillary=bashing flame-bait

.

[Vis Numar]

27. Anyway, maybe this thought is wrong

But the overall message seems to be not in line with what's been happening, and I know as a Dean supporter, who was for a while a Clark supporter, that I liked the new direction of Clark a lot more than I do the old boys network that he's gathering around him.

[diplomats]

29. The problem is, when you run a national campaign

you need to have experienced people (not novices) so the grass-roots aspect is only part of the whole campaign. Let's wait and see what his announcement is like tomorrow. I don't want to lose that enthusiasm either.

[Donna Zen]

46. Does Dean

Have any experienced folks on his team...didn't Trippi run something before? I honestly don't know the answer to this.

[CWebster]

31. If the Clintons and the party machine are behind Clark

Tt will serve to split the contest apart and leave the field wide open for a lagging Bush and his 200 million dollar warchest.

Again, I will say, the Clintons need to be shown the door if they can't get the hell off the stage and quit sabotaging all for their own narrow interests.

Fuck the Clintons and the DLC train they rode in on! Fuck 'em!

[diplomats]

33. OK, I'll say this for the thousandth time ...

Many people OTHER THAN THE CLINTONS support Clark, including Daschle, Pelosi and Charlie Rangel (who's no DLCer by any stretch). How is supporting the guy they and countless others feel can win the general election sabotaging the party? The Clintons aren't forcing Clark on anybody. They didn't launch the campaign to draft Clark.

[CWebster]

36. Okay, I 'll say it for the millionth time

Fuck Daschle and his pathetic spinelessness and his sidekick Pelosi, who stands "shoulder to shoulder" with the chimp, while lecturing Dean about his attempts to pursue a "even-handed" course to resolve the I|P crisis. Let her mouth off to Jimmy Carter - while she and Daschle try to gut camaign finance behind the scenes. Charlie Rangel --I don't know what fantasy he has running on the side with his illusions over military generals and a draft for all.

[diplomats]

38. Military generals? Are there any other kind?

(Sorry, I couldn't resist). CWebster, we have completely different points of view on this, so let's leave it at that. I don't hate the Dem leadership, and you do. What we can agree on 100 percent is the need to get of Bush. (FWIW, I had no problem with Dean's comments on the Middle East. Josh Marshall didn't think they should be made an issue of.)

[CWebster]

40. yes, the split...

Don't see it yet, do ya?

The difference being that the illusion of strength---the soldier the general, is not always the strength that is needed or real.


As for my perspective, it can't be that obvious since Terwilliger today accused me of being one of the guys providing cover for the resolution voters.

LOL!

Criminy, can't win.

[goobergunch]

39. On that I request a Daschle/Pelosi link...

especially because Pelosi has endorsed Gephardt.

I'm adding Clark to the Delegate Count, and here's what I have so far:

Clark-2
Clinton
Rangel

[Vis Numar]

41. Those 2 say it all

eom

[Pepperbelly]

42. I would trade all of ...

the rambling on this board for ten minutes of straight political evaluation of the race from Bill Clinton. I hate to tell you this but he is a master of politics and there is no one NO ONE posting here who plays even in the same game as he, much less the same league. For us, it is all bullshit and hot air. He has won national office twice and administered a beating to the fascists that they STILL cannot get over. Hillary ran for and won the Senatorship of New York.

I will listen to their evaluation every time compared to yours, CWebster. Sorry, but they actually know what they're talking about.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

43. I'm With You, PB

It's just ridiculous, some of the stupid shit that goes on here.

DTH

[tjdee]

48. No fucking shit, man--you're absolutely right.

I love all the armchair politicians that sit around here and talk bunk about the Clintons. Some people actually buy the freeper nonsense that Bill is waving his magical penis over everyone and brainwashing them into doing his and Hill's bidding.

They're just politicians, and they're good ones. Do they get more clout than other people? Damn straight they do. They know how to do the job.

If they're pushing Clark, halley friggin lujah, I'm glad they're pushing somebody, because if George W. Bush gets another term in office we are in some serious trouble.

[JI7]

49. why can't hillary support whoever she wants ?

so what if she supports clark or anyone else ? she has a right to. i wish she would support john kerry, but doesn't mean i'm going to hate her just for supporting another candidate.