When you think it can't get any worse: Senate votes for 'usable' nukes

[Q]

- A few so-called democrats crossed over the line and voted to fund the research and deployment of what the Bushies call 'usable' nukes.

- Am I alone in believing that the few Dems who always vote with GOPers are actually 'planted' there to make sure the Bushie agenda succeeds?

- This vote represents the renewal of the cold war and nuclear arms race. Welcome to New America.

Edit: Democrats voting in the affirmative: Bayh, Hollings, Miller, Nelson (FL), and Nelson (NE).

[Pepperbelly]

1. who crossed over?

This is astounding.

[goobergunch]

8. Here's the vote

Vote No. 349

Motion to Table the Feinstein Amendment to H.R. 2754, the FY 2004 Energy & Water Appropriations bill

YEAS 53 NAYS 41

Democrats voting in the affirmative: Bayh, Hollings, Miller, Nelson (FL), and Nelson (NE).

Republican voting in the negative: Chafee.

Senators not voting: Edwards, Fitzgerald, Graham (FL), Kerry, Lieberman, and Smith.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

10. Kerry & Lieberman missing... Same as voting yes, the PNAC sellouts

In a 1999 Letter to the Editor of Foreign Affairs, Wolfowitz and Solarz hold Kerry and Lieberman up as prime examples of bipartisan PNAC policy supporters.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq_pdf_01.pdf

If you can't get in with that link, try this: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqmiddleeast2000-1997.htm
and click on "Letter to the Editor" fourth from the top.

[goobergunch]

18. Great picture! (n/t)

[wuushew]

14. I don't understand the wording of H.R. 2754?

To prohibit the use of funds for Department of Energy activities relating to the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator, Advanced Weapons Concepts, modification of the readiness posture of the Nevada Test Site, and the Modern Pit Facility, and to make the amount of funds made available by the prohibition for debt reduction.

[goobergunch]

16. That's the summary of the Feinstein amendment, which was tabled (n/t)

[Q]

21. I think that was Kennedy's amendment...

...that went nowhere with the warmongers.

On edit: Kennedy was a co-sponsor

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S.AMDT.1655
Amends: H.R.2754
Sponsor: Sen Feinstein, Dianne (submitted 9/15/2003) (proposed 9/15/2003)

AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
To prohibit the use of funds for Department of Energy activities relating to the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator, Advanced Weapons Concepts, modification of the readiness posture of the Nevada Test Site, and the Modern Pit Facility, and to make the amount of funds made available by the prohibition for debt reduction.

STATUS:


9/15/2003:
Amendment SA 1655 proposed by Senator Feinstein. (consideration: CR S11436; text: CR S11436)



COSPONSORS(6):

Sen Kennedy, Edward M. - 9/15/2003
Sen Reed, John F. - 9/15/2003
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. - 9/15/2003
Sen Wyden, Ron - 9/15/2003
Sen Feingold, Russell D. - 9/15/2003
Sen Boxer, Barbara - 9/15/2003

[gully]

32. So...

we had 47 Republicans vote in favor of the nukes versus 5 Democrats.

And, we had 40 Democrats voting against the measure, versus 1 Republican.

Where is our recognition for the 40 Democrats who voted against?

This demonstrates a clear difference between the parties. However, you can bet the rhetoric from some will be...'democrats' supported the nuke measure blah blah blah. We need to start breaking this stuff down folks so we get a real sense of what is happening.

This is why it's so important to make sure *Bush doesn't retake the WH in 04!

[wuushew]

2. Who were the two democrats?

Zell Miller and Biden?

[tom_paine]

3. That's Amerika

We do not deserve the old spelling. That should be reserved to denote the Old American Republic (Born: 1776 Died: 2000).

Just my 2 cents...

[TacticalPeek]

20. Getting close.

Still time, but we better get our ass in gear.

[charlie]

4. God, this is well beyond the old nuclear arms race

One of the deterrances to breaking out nukes has been the awesome devastation they unleash. Creation of a class of so-called battlefield nukes removes their use from the realm of the unthinkable. Who are the sick shameful Dems that voted for this?

[pansypoo53219]

22. and

the chimperor is just itching to use one.

[nostamj]

5. "usable" nukes ???

sickening. but not surprising.

everyone in BushCo (including Condi) has a RAGING HARDON to set off some nukes on some brown people.

sickening. but not surprising.

[Q]

6. Still searching for the Dems who voted for it...

...but I think we can count on the fact that one of them was MIller.

- Kennedy tried to stop this insanity with an amendment...but failed because of the crossover Dems.

[damnraddem]

17. Looks like 5 of them:

'Bayh, Hollings, Miller, Nelson (FL), and Nelson (NE).' Good call on Miller. A bunch of Dem's not present.

[SnohoDem]

13. Let's get 'em out before they can light one off.

Our government is going insane.

[Brucey]

7. And don't think the chimp wouldn't have used them

in Iraq if neocons thought it was expedient. Sad day.

[LoneStarLiberal]

9. "Usable Nukes" Brought To You By...

"Usable Nukes" brought to you by the same people who argued so feverently for a "winnable nuclear war" and who currently are touting "clean coal power!"

Orwell is convulsing in his grave.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

11. OMG! who were the 2 turds joe and zell???

[lifelong_Dem]

12. How about backing up your smear and innuendo?

"Am I alone in believing that the few Dems who always vote with GOPers are actually 'planted' there to make sure the Bushie agenda succeeds?"

Show us some proof of these charges, or admit that they're just BS.

[Q]

15. Why would you ask me to prove that which is right in front of your face?

- At first I thought you were being sarcastic...but then I realized you were more or less 'serious'.

- Look at their voting records for hell sakes.

- But this is the worst of the betrayals. Voting for this is inexcusable because it will mean bringing back nuclear testing and provoking more countries into joining the nuclear club in 'self defense'.

[lifelong_Dem]

25. Hey, you made the assertion, you gotta back it up

If you want me to believe there's some huge conspiracy in the Democratic party where they always tell enough Congressmen to vote for Bush*'s proposals to pass them, I'll need a lot more than just "I said so."

So where's your evidence?

[Forkboy]

29. It's a friggin opinion

geesh :eyes:

[Deja Q]

19. I hope these bastards

get what they deserve...

This is beyond outrageous.

I'm too angry to say anything else rational right now...

[TacticalPeek]

23. "Bayh, Hollings, Miller, Nelson (FL), and Nelson (NE)"

These guys must be an easy sell. They should stay out of carnivals and time-sharing seminars.

"Thanks for your vote. We promise to use these only on very bad, bad, bad, bad people; and only as a very, last, last, final resort. We swear that targets will be restricted to only 'certain' countries (nudge, nudge). This crucial research and development is very challenging and will require spending large sums in your state, or a state of your choosing. This will give us a means to totally destroy chemical and biological agents, like that pesky anthrax that found it's way into your offices. We know you wouldn't want any more of that, and the sooner we get started, the sooner we can protect you."

[StandWatie]

24. it's nothing new

We have had a doctrine of striking non-nuclear states on a first strike basis for years, Clinton signed off on it also. It's worth remembering when some "anti-Americanism" breaks out somewhere since there are very valid reasons to think we are dangerous idiots.

[Q]

26. Can you back up your claims?

- I think you're wrong when you state that the US has had a policy of 'striking non-nuclear states with first strikes for years. It was not a policy until the Bush* admin.

- But that's besides the point. Please don't try to muddle the issue by redirection. The Bush* administration is asking for a new generation of nuclear weapons...that will more than likely be used in a PNAC-driven agenda to dominate the ME.

- They don't call them 'usable' for nothing.

[goobergunch]

27. I'm with Q

Common Dreams's take on the * Nuclear Posture Review

[goobergunch]

28. kick

:kick:

[gully]

30. Can we find and post the names of the Dems that didn't cross over?

Thanks :)

[goobergunch]

31. post #8 (n/t)

[gully]

33. Thanks, let us not forget the Nay voters....

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Breaux (D-LA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)

We should call senators in our state and let them know how we feel about their vote.

http://www.senate.gov/