Dean vs. Clark

[JCMach1]

Wait until you see the media Clark will get in the next few weeks. Within a month, I believe we will have a 2 horse race.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

1. I Agree, But What Makes You Say That, JC?

I'm curious (on the media bit). Thanks!

DTH

[Zuni]

2. I think that is what it is coming down to

Dean started an extremely succsessful campaign using the internet, and the Draft Clark movement has literally exploded.

I think these two will edge out the others because of their campaigning skill--Dean's campaign is well managed and Clark is very good infront of cameras and audiences.
I think that Wes Clark might be the most electable of all of them. Very knowledgeable, cool, collected and confident he would be a nightmare to have to debate against.

I think if he wins the primary, Bush will get spanked by Clark in the 2004 debates, easily. Clark could run circles around a man who is essentially a frat boy in the White House.

[silverweb]

3. A thought occurred to me...

... as thoughts tend to do every once in a while.... :P

We know that Dean and Clark have been talking, we know that each would be a strong candidate in his own right, and we know that it's way too soon for candidates to be declaring their vice presidential picks.

But what if Dean and Clark agreed to run against each other in the primary to see who gets more votes, then team up in vote-ranked order, i.e., if Dean wins the primary, it's a Dean/Clark ticket, and if Clark wins, it's Clark/Dean?

I'm really not sure how I feel about Clark just yet. I've heard about his tendency to use manipulative tactics and tell people what they want to hear just to get his way, which stories could be motivated by sour grapes from the past, envy, or just personality clashes. On the other hand, he's got a great deal going for him.

Dean and Clark are both pretty hard headed, from what I can see, and each has a bit of a reputation for being abrasive. But just imagine... if they have found that their strengths and backgrounds complement each other and they are able to negotiate agreement on how to deal with their differences... would they be an unbeatable team or what?

:wow:

That's what we have got to have, people - an unbeatable team!

[Oggy]

4. From across the pond

Clarke is being talked about in the mainstream media (BBC etc), as is Dean. No one else has been mentioned really. I know name recognition means nothing if it is over here, but it must be indicitive of their overall positions. I think Clarke looks like a very promising candidate.

By the way, good luck to all you Guy's likely to be affected by Isabel.

[Donna Zen]

6. illegal

But what if Dean and Clark agreed to run against each other in the primary to see who gets more votes, then team up in vote-ranked order, i.e., if Dean wins the primary, it's a Dean/Clark ticket, and if Clark wins, it's Clark/Dean?

For them to even discuss this is strickly illegal

Also, about Clark's manipulation: You may hear some diplo-speak because he has spent plenty of time in the international sphere, but he also lives the the "honor code" and that's a very important part of who he is.

[silverweb]

9. It is?!?

Why is it illegal? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

:crazy:

[Julien Sorel]

5. I tend to agree -- but.

Clark is an inexperienced campaigner and an unknown political quantity. He could make a fatal political mistake more easily than another candidate. Dean might have topped out -- there aren't too many angry people left for him to appeal to. And I'm not willing to count out an experienced, super-knowledgeable pol like Kerry just yet. We're at the stage where people are going to have to start putting their policy cards down on the table, and Kerry should do well in that environment if he has fight left in him -- which I'm beginning to wonder about. Dean will do less well here, and Clark is an unknown (this actually helps him in some ways, as he gets to craft his positions based on the trial-and-error of the other candidates). There's still room for some earthshaking, and I would never count out Gephardt either, who has a strong, very loyal base in the unions, and is quite a tenacious campaigner. The fun is just starting.

[indigo32]

8. Absolutely

this is not over yet... though I'm not conceding that Dean has topped out ;)

[IndianaGreen]

7. There is no Dean vs. Clark

There is only the antiwar block against the Bush war enablers that voted for the war in Iraq.

I support Dean for President, but I will have no problems whatsoever supporting any of the antiwar block candidates if they win the Democratic nomination.

Wesley Clark's entrance into the race is a virtual guarantee that none of the Bush war enablers (Lieberman, Kerry, Edwards, Gephardt) will win the nomination even if Dean were to self-destruct.

[Kahuna]

10. Amen.

:D