Why is the BFEE all of the suden denying any link between Iraq and 9-11?

[Brian Sweat]

In the last week it seems like everyone in the BFEE has said that there is no link between Iraq and 9-11. Call me paranoid, but I am afraid that they have an axe to grind here. Heck, just last week, President Schleprock was giving his 9-11 aniversery speech and he constantly implied a link between 9-11 and Iraq.

Is it just that the media has finally started to call them on it or are they up to something.

[ComerPerro]

1. The candidates have been hammering them on it

Therefore, they are erasing the past and their lies. This way, when the candidates hit them for this, they can say "We never indicated that there was a link between Saddam and 9/11".

[IndianaGreen]

33. You are right! Bush and Cheney are rewriting history

in order to innoculate themselves next year against the Democratic nominee, particularly if the nominee opposed the war.

Are Americans too stupid to realize their game? The Germans were in 1933!

[tom_paine]

2. Just doing their Orwell Thing

The creepiest to date, based on how everyone so swiftly got in line for the lie was changing the Imperial Carrier Landing to saying it's the end of MAJOR combat operations.

Plus whitehouse.gov scrubbed and changed their site to reflect the new lie.

And everyone immediately fell into line, asking no questions, as if we lived in the Soviet Union...which in a way we now do.

(not excited about the other shoes dropping on that one -- this twilight we are living in is still kind of nice, though it allows many people the luxury of denial)

[Eloriel]

19. It certainly has been Orwellian

For the past 2 days I've been having flashbacks to 1984, where the Ministry of Truth was redacting and rewriting history books and everything else. Unreal.

Eloriel

[Don_G]

3. Both

Haven't you noticed that Dimbo's $87 Billion for-a-start Iraq speech went over like a lead ballon? They're positioning themselves for the 2004 re-selection and I suspect that Cheney's "bad" heart will preclude him for running on the ticket.

Blame Cheney, concoct a plausabile deniablity story and hope Diebold takes care of the rest.

[Lefty48197]

4. A link between Iraq and Al Qaeda?

C'mon, you're making that up. Nobody EVER said that. Shrubbie just invaded Iraq because Saddam was a really mean guy. Bush never said Iraq has WMD, or that they had an Al Qaeda connection. You danged Democrats are always trying to rewrite history.
(end of sarcasm)

[Brian Sweat]

5. In truth, they never did say it.

They are far to careful for that. They just spent the last year implying it. Everytime they mention Iraq, they mention 9-11, but they never actually claim that there is actually a link. They leave that for the average American to infer.

There is no doubt that they wanted the average American to believe that Iraq was responsible for 9-11, but they never actually said it. That is how this crew works. They never actually tell the lie. They just tell the truth in such a way as to imply the lie.

Someone needs to call them on this.

[tom_paine]

8. Oh no, they tell PLENTY of lies...but I do agree with you about this one

TEchnically, they didn't lie.

UNLIKE the Iraq WMDs
UNLIKE the way the Emperor originally said (on the carrier) it was the end of "combat operation" then lied and changed it to "MAJOR combat operations"
and so many others...

Even when they do get caught in a lie, the Right-Wing Sub-Media will shriek 24/7 until everybody's heads are ringing and they throw their hands up in confusion...

Plus Corproate TV Pravda has been very useful in laundering Bush Lies as well

[gristy]

11. But they have lied about this

There is no doubt that they wanted the average American to believe that Iraq was responsible for 9-11, but they never actually said it. That is how this crew works. They never actually tell the lie. They just tell the truth in such a way as to imply the lie.

By leading Americans right up to the edge of the conclusion that Iraq was responsible for 9/11, they lied. A lie is anything meant to deceive (look it up!). And their behavior was clearly meant to deceive.

[Patriot_Spear]

16. That just doesn't hold water...

How about this statement.

"I hate Dick Cheney and I really hate child molesters."

Now I didn't call Cheney a child molester- but the inference is clear.

Same as with 9/11 and Iraq.

[LynneSin]

6. Because they never said it - Seriously they didn't

I posted this late last night when I read the story so I'm just copying my words over again. I highly doubt we'll find any legitimate news source out there that can prove that Bush said "Saddam was behind 9/11"

Sure, Bush said that "saddam harbors Al-Qaeda" and he's probably said "Al-Qaeda was behind 9/11". But I'm pretty sure that he's never merged that entire sentence together. But you know - here's what I posted yesterday - the word games played by BFEE!

---

Condi is talking about the connection between Hussein and those that committed the atrocities of 9/11. The quote from the speech that Angel posted is excellent HOWEVER, in a court of law all that was ever said is that Hussein was HARBORING terrorists incluidng Al-Qaeda. Absolutely no mention that he was funding the ones who committed 9/11.

Unfortunately it's a word game and damn if these folks aren't the masters at it. When that statement was made (or as Bush would say - 'It's only 26 words') Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida the fact was Hussein and terrorists including Al Qaeda were on friendly terms but as Condi said - no mention of 9/11.

But with the Bush/Media Word Game, they knew they didn't have to mention 9/11. They just had to make 2 separate statements that were somewhat related and let the media connect the dots for them. The hardcore shrills like Coulter and Limbaugh pick this up which then moves on to the Fox Shrills like Hannity & O'Reilly. They take was said Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida and they push the envelope. These shrills take a simple logic statement and expanded it to the


A=B=C


Bush implied that Hussein(A) is a terrorist because he has aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida(B).

Now we've seen enough articles out there that have said that Al Qaida(B) were the terrorists behind 9/11(C).

However it's highly doubtful that we'll find any official quotes out of the Bush Regime that have ever Hussein (A) behind 9/11(C).

Still with me, btw that basic logic stuff was from a great class I took in college.

So we have 3 variables:

• Hussein(A)
  
• terrorists, including members of Al Qaida(B)
  
• 9/11(C)
  

The media usually with the hardcore shrills like Limbaugh and Coulter simply assume if Hussein(A) protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida(B) and terrorists, including members of Al Qaida(B) caused 9/11(C) then through basic logic of:

A=B=C

Hussein must have caused 9/11.

Bush never had to say that exact sentence, he just need those shrills to pick it up and start harping on it. Then Fox and their shrills start annoucning it and finally mainstream wannabes like CNN and MSNBC will start talking about it.

But more importantly is the public hears this message and assumes that our media is telling them the truth. Then next thing you know you're neighbor is plastering flags all over their front lawn and SUV because god forbid you must be "Unpatriot" if you don't support this war in Iraq because the media is saying that

Hussein(A)=terrorists, including members of Al Qaida(B)=caused 9/11(C)

Condi is just telling us the facts. Thanks to the Media they got the whole nation getting all warm, fuzzy and patriotic and happy to support Bush and his war because they felt that it was "justified" since somewhere someone actually took 2 seperate statements and merged them into one.

(BTW, Franken talks about the chain of command when it comes to how these lies grow and fester starting from the hardcores like Limbaugh/Coulter and eventually ends up in mainstream news. I added the Basic Logic stuff)

[disgruntella]

9. i remember that post - thank you

For a late night post it was very well put! ;)

I guess the bastards know a little more about the English language than we might give them credit for :mad:

[Booberdawg]

12. That's true - I noticed it all along too, but the normal electorate

is not as discerning about parsing his/their words as we are. 70% of the ignorant masses believe there is a connection between Saddam and 911 and they know bush* and his administration gave them that impression. These people BENT OVER BACKWARDS to leave that impression!

The less informed are already having seconds thoughts about the war, the length, the quagmire, the COST!, no WMD's, no nukes, now they have to reconcile the fact in their minds that bush* started this war knowing there was ABSOLUTELY NO connection between soDamn-insane and 911.

Will they keep making rationalizations in their own minds just to defend a repuke in the White House, or will they finally see the light? I dunno.

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. Short answer to your question

Defend defend defend! Read a few replies to messages on the Yahoo message board were this story appeared and guess what :wow: the repiggies where defending Liar Boy. Just imagine if the Clinton Administration had done this.........:eyes:

[Booberdawg]

34. "Just imagine if the Clinton Administration had done this"

OMG! I can just hear it!!:

Armageddon!! Clinton is corrupt! Clinton is a pevert and masturbates in the Oval Office sink!! He LIED!! IMPEACH THE BASTARD!!!
:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[bloom]

24. Dear Mr. Speaker:

TEXT OF A LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES AND PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE OF THE SENATE

(to start the war...)
_______________

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
March 21, 2003


March 21, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker:

"...
I have reluctantly concluded, along with other coalition leaders, that
only the use of armed force will accomplish these objectives and
restore international peace and security in the area. I have also
determined that the use of armed force against Iraq is consistent with
the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary
actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations,
including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned,
authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on
September 11, 2001. ...."


Sincerely,

GEORGE W. BUSH

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/rights/law/03032106.htm

_________________________________________________________

This was Bushes* logic and how he officially stated it.

[eridani]

29. Of course they didn't

And the people thinking up ads for sports cars never say that buyers can expect to date the attractive models sprawled all over the hood, do they? Just look in the warranty papers--nothing whatever about a blonde bombshell sitting in the passenger seat, just a lot of dull crap about mechanical and electrical components.

[Brian Sweat]

31. You're right,

but the media will never call them on this. If the Democrats call them on this, they will deny it and the media will let them get away with it.

[SoCalDem]

30. Bush & crew are the linguistic Johnny Appleseeds of our time

They spew out the words like little seeds, the seeds then "sprout" at FAUX, Washington Times, MSRNC,CNN..

He knows full well, that most people (news people included) are so used to soundbytes, that they will just pick the little "germs" from the seeds, and then run with them on the air and in print..

He blithely tosses out phrases and mangled sentences that just happen to contain the words....WMD...Saddam...9/11...terraists... and he knows that the reporters will carry it on from there and tend the seedlings...

Then we have people like the "poll-a-minute" folks who set up polls with leading questions, and read them on air and post them on the 24/7 crawl... Is it any wonder that people "get the wrong message"???


People with critical thinking skills see right through this crap, but we all know that there are not nearly enough of us, and the rest are too frightened or distracted to ask the questions...and they also fear the answers..

[Booberdawg]

7. I wonder too. Maybe to get the bad news out now and out of the way

before more serious campaigning and before it gets closer to the election. The war is not going well, butthead just asked for another outlay of 87 BILLION with more to come - that went over like a fart in church, so maybe they want to get as much bad news that can hurt them out of the way now. That way it doesn't bite them in the ass as hard closer to election time.

Just one thought that crossed my mind - I'm always on the lookout for another shoe to drop or lie to be revealed with these crooks.

[Nixons Bastard Son]

10. yeeeeeeeah...

i saw Rumsfeld on "Meet the Press," and he was very adamant about their never having been a connection. keep in mind, this is the same guy who who said, "We should attack Iraq" the day after the towers fell (Powell rolled his eyes in front of everyone when Rumsfeld said this...same Powell who was firmly kicked in line by his administration a year later). absolutely insane.

after the things that have happened over the last three years, i dont think i'll ever stop throwing up.

[Octafish]

13. They're worried the SAUDI Connection will be aired Big Time.

If Congress gets sufficient pressure from We the People — especially the vast middle who still believe the TV — that the Saudis played a major role in 9-11, there would be too many inquisitors to anthrax.

Stopping the show now, by sidetracking the Official Corporate Pravda onto the link or lack of same between Saddam and 9-11 serves to muddy the waters, keeping the press, the people, and Congress off the real dirty trail, which is BFEE actually WAS in business with the bin Ladens pre9-11 and the BFEE had used oil money to destroy governments, politicians, and the economy — at home and abroad — for decades.

So yeh. It would be more than embarrassing. The whole house of cards would start to fall. 9-11. ENRON/Wall Street. ENRON Energy Policy. Selection 2000. CIA Drugs. BCCI. Iran-Contra. Iraq-gate/BNL. Savings & Loan looting. October Surprise. Watergate. Vietnam. Dallas.

One name runs through that brief, incomplete, and mephitic history. Bush.

[Beetwasher]

14. Truth: The Last Refuge

I think they are in a lot of trouble and they desperately need international help in Iraq. I think the international community and the UN might have told the admin. they need to get rid of some people and to fess up about the nonexistent links between SH and 9/11. What we're seeing might be part of some deal w/ the UN in order to get help in Iraq. Just a thought...

[Astarho]

15. They're getting ready for the next war

Iraq has no connection to 9-11, but Syria/Iran harbors Al-Qaeda, who is responsible for 9-11...

Then we'll be seeing polls on TV saying 60% of the country thinks Syria/Iran was responsible for 9-11.

[Unknown Known]

17. It probably has something to do with BFEE's trip to Russia

Poppy, Kissinger and the whole gang have been over there negotiating with Putin.

[Beetwasher]

18. Looks Like It Didn't Go Too Well!

U.S. Bars Russian Company Over Iran Sales
Tue Sep 16, 5:08 PM ET

WASHINGTON - A Russian company was barred Tuesday from U.S. contracts because it was found to be selling laser-guided artillery shells to Iran.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=3&u=/ap/us_russia


--snip--

Russia gives US hands-off warning

Wednesday 17 September 2003, 20:57 Makka Time, 17:57 GMT

Russia has warned the US not to pressure it over its nuclear links with Iran as the top US arms control official arrived in Moscow for talks on non-proliferation and an upcoming Russia-US summit.

http://english.aljazeera.net/Articles/News/GlobalNews/US+told+not+to+meddle+in+Russia+Iran+N-ties.htm

[cthrumatrix]

20. Becuase Clark is frying them with it...they want to discredit him

[Brazosboomer]

21. Does this help?

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/sprj.irq.bush.iraq/

"He is a danger not only to countries in the region but, as I explained last night, because of his al Qaeda connections, because of his history, he is a danger to Americans," Bush said, referring to Tuesday's State of the Union address. "And we're going to deal with him. We're going to deal with him before it's too late."

...because of his al Qaeda connections

that seems pretty clear to me!

[Ouabache]

22. good link Brazosboomer ! more here from it...Bush is TOAST

this comes from that link too:

..."The Bush administration has been trying for months to link Iraq with al Qaeda, the organization that coordinated the September 11, 2001, attacks that claimed about 3,000 lives. Its leader, Osama bin Laden, has been the subject of a extended manhunt...Bush said Wednesday that Saddam could use al Qaeda as a "forward army" that could attack the United States with weapons of mass destruction "and never leave a fingerprint behind." ...Iraq has adamantly denied the president's allegations...."

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/sprj.irq.bush.iraq/


So he NEVER said it? Like hell, right there it is on CNN.

So he now agrees with the Iraqi denial stated in this story??

Bush is so TOASTED over this.

[Booberdawg]

23. Just heard an explanation from David Gergen

He basically says it's because the "straight-shooter" prez has taken a hit in credibility with the war and facts related to it.:eyes: So the current plan is to walk this story back, a bit of revisionist history if you will, because they want this credibility issue in the past and out of the way when it gets closer to the elections.

That's his take. This is on "Countdown with Keith Olbermann"

[ElsewheresDaughter]

25. me thinks that bush* had to say it and perhaps plenty more ...

as ordered by world/UN if bush wants their help...just a guess :shrug:
i believe there will be many strange admitance from the BFEE in near future...also heads MUST roll is part of UN agreement

[Catherine Vincent]

26. If you think about it, it was really the Bush* fans that

...tied Saddam/Iraq and 9/11 and kept saying it. And yes, the Bush* cronies implied it but didn't really state it. It just goes to show you how some republicans are so fucking stupid.

[9215]

27. WHY?

Because they can say and do whatever they want, when they want to and YOU need to learn to accept it or look like a goddamn fool trying to refute it.

It is a big game to them, another way of getting people sidetracked. These slime can twist and turn any previous statements they made into anything they want and then, in about 3 months the topic on fuckbrain TV will be: "Did Bush ever claim WMD's or Iraq being behind 9/11"?

The US public has the intelligence capacitance of a primordial gelatine on sedatives. The fascists know this and will capitalize on it at every turn.

[SoCalDem]

28. They only have a few months to make everyone "forget"

what they have been telling them for the last 2 years..

For the life of me, I cannot imagine why some brave soul (newsperson) doe not come forward with a 2 or 3 part "white paper" style series on propaganda.. The reason propaganda works so well, is that "most" people think they are immune to it and then do not even recognize it..

Advertisers have known the tricks for years, and the worst than can happen there is that you might actually buy some crappy stuff or things that you do not need.. But when then GOVERNMENT uses it on its own citizens so that they can wage an unnecessary war, it's another matter altogether..


Every time I think about how they trashed Clinton for "parsing", I could SCREAM.. They parsed and equivocated for 2 years, and NOW they want to back off.. I sure hope that they are not let off the hook so easily..:grr: