When is Clark going fry B*sh's ass w/that phone call re 9/11-SH link?

[ima_sinnic]

My dream is he will have the cajones to come forward and say, but, but YOU told me to say Iraq/Hussein and 9/11 were related; why are you denying it now? Is he man enough to do it?

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CLARK: "There was a concerted effort during the fall of 2001, starting immediately after 9/11, to pin 9/11 and the terrorism problem on Saddam Hussein."

RUSSERT: "By who? Who did that?"

CLARK: "Well, it came from the White House, came from people around the White House. It came from all over. I got a call on 9/11. I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, 'You got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to Saddam Hussein.' I said, 'But--I'm willing to say it, but what's your evidence?' And I never got any evidence."

http://www.fair.org/press-releases/clark-iraq.html

[DoveTurnedHawk]

1. So Clark Was Good Enough for FAIR When It Was Convenient for Their Agenda

Why does that not surprise me?

FAIR is a misnomer.

DTH

[ima_sinnic]

3. who said anything about FAIR?

the quote is Wesley Clark's own from when he was on MTP. I provided the link from FAIR only because it includes that quote. Sorry, I will edit to find the quote somewhere else. It is Clark's own words, that the WH told him to state a link between 9/11 and Hussein that troubles me. Why don't we hear about this? Right NOW would be perfect for Clark to expose BushCo for the lying stinking scum shitbags they truly are.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

7. Just a Side Rant From Me

:-)

See my post #4. Also, he didn't say the WH called him.

DTH

[DoveTurnedHawk]

4. Oh, and Interestingly

Once again, the text does not support what FAIR is trying to claim. Their conclusions do not follow. Clark did not say, "The White House called me." It's clear from the text, but it's even more clear from his clarification on this issue, which is a matter of public record.

DTH

[JohnyCanuck]

2. Didn't he back of

on attributing the pressure to pin 9/11 on Saddam as coming from the White House. It seems like not too long ago he was asked about this and he said it wasn't the White House that had been putting pressure on him after all, it was some neo-com/winger think tank that was trying to get him to blame Saddam.

[ima_sinnic]

8. so why didn't he say that the first time?

am I really supposed to believe that he got confused between the White House and some obscure unnamed neocon group of wannabes? yeah, right--like these kooks go around calling generals on the telephone everyday and telling them what they must say.

does anyone else smell something "off"??

[DoveTurnedHawk]

9. He Clarified

It's clear from the text that the last thing he referred to was "all over," and a Middle East think tank in Canada certainly qualifies.

DTH

[AntiCoup2K4]

11. As if there's a difference between the neo-con "think tanks" and the .....

....current White House?

PNAC is supposedly a think tank. So is Perle's "American Enterprise Institute". Yet these are the guy's writing Dipshit's foreign policy. Beyond that, they wrote it years before they had the alleged justification of a terrorist threat against the USA, as the documents freely available on their own website prove.

If Clark has anything that can nail these treasonous criminal bastards, I hope he saves it for his own October Surprise - whether he's on the ticket or not.

[ima_sinnic]

13. yes, yes, maybe he will eventually use it

yes, it's true, he could be a strategist and build up to any big exposes. But if he never does--just another one who didn't do what had to be done. :shrug:

[bryant69]

5. This has got some airplay

but I would imagine it will get a lot more, and it should. I mean I think it's important to know that the minute we got hit on September 11, 2001, the White House wanted to invade Iraq.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[bearfartinthewoods]

6. i think he has already backed off that an no i don't have a link

just hate to see you get your hopes up. an interviewer pressed him, saying something like "the white house can't make phone calls. someONE at the white house must have made that call and would have to have identified himself so, general, WHO was it" and Clark hemmed and hawded his way out of the question.

that's the problem with dreams....they rarely come true...

[ima_sinnic]

10. nor do dream candidates rarely come true

unfortunately

Dean '04

[karlschneider]

12. Yes, you are right, and I rarely agree with you. But I do not believe he

meant what he said (I'd like a link too) in a dissembling way. (I sorta, kinda, recall his comments that day, and I admit it -seemed- as if he was saying the "suggestions" came from someone in the WH, but memory is fickle and selective. Perhaps we will get the actual scoop.

[ima_sinnic]

14. kinda . . . strange that the very first words out of his mouth

in answer to the question of "who?" were "White House"

he said it the first time, in fact repeated it, THEN started fumbling around and later shrugged it off altogether. Sorry, I don't buy it.

[fob]

15. Hey, sinnic, post the 3 or 4 exchanges BEFORE these quotes

When you read the entire exchange, you'll see the answer "Well, it came from the White House, came from people around the White House. It came from all over. is in response to a previous question. Clark continues with his NEXT statement which when transcribed as above, makes it look like he said the call came from the WH. He clarified later that the call came from a Middle East think-tank in Canada.

Full Disclosure

fob - leaning Sharpton

[ima_sinnic]

16. here is the full exchange:

MR. RUSSERT: Let me turn to the weapons of mass destruction and refer you to a column you wrote in the Times of London on April 9th, and I’ll show it to you and our viewers as well. "This is the real intelligence battle and the stakes could not be higher, for failure to find the weapons could prove to be a crushing blow to the proponents of the war , supercharge Arab anger and set back many efforts to end the remarkable diplomatic isolation of the United States and Britain."
Where are the weapons of mass destruction?
GEN. CLARK: I think there are some mass destruction capabilities that are still inside Iraq. I think there’s some weapons that have been shipped over the border to Syria. But I don’t think we’re going to find that their capabilities provided the imminent threat that many feared in this country. So I think it’s going to be a tough search, but I think there’s stuff there.
MR. RUSSERT: Was there an intelligence failure? Was the intelligence hyped, as Senator Joe Biden said? Was the president misled, or did he mislead the American people?
GEN. CLARK: Well, several things. First of all, all of us in the community who read intelligence believe that Saddam wanted these capabilities and he had some. We struck very hard in December of ’98, did everything we knew, all of his facilities. I think it was an effective set of strikes. Tony Zinni commanded that, called Operation Desert Fox, and I think that set them back a long ways. But we never believed that that was the end of the problem. I think there was a certain amount of hype in the intelligence, and I think the information that’s come out thus far does indicate that there was a sort of selective reading of the intelligence in the sense of sort of building a case.
MR. RUSSERT: Hyped by whom?
GEN. CLARK: Well, I...
MR. RUSSERT: The CIA, or the president or vice president? Secretary of Defense, who?
GEN. CLARK: I think it was an effort to convince the American people to do something, and I think there was an immediate determination right after 9/11 that Saddam Hussein was one of the keys to winning the war on terror. Whether it was the need just to strike out or whether he was a linchpin in this, there was a concerted effort during the fall of 2001 starting immediately after 9/11 to pin 9/11 and the terrorism problem on Saddam Hussein.
MR. RUSSERT: By who? Who did that?
GEN. CLARK: Well, it came from the White House, it came from people around the White House. It came from all over. I got a call on 9/11. I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, “You got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to Saddam Hussein.” I said, “But—I’m willing to say it but what’s your evidence?” And I never got any evidence. And these were people who had—Middle East think tanks and people like this and it was a lot of pressure to connect this and there were a lot of assumptions made. But I never personally saw the evidence and didn’t talk to anybody who had the evidence to make that connection. . . .

http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/927000.asp

Actually, now I see more stuff in that interview that is troublesome.

[fob]

20. That's the one... Here's how it SHOULD read

GEN. CLARK: Well, several things. First of all, all of us in the community who read intelligence believe that Saddam wanted these capabilities and he had some. We struck very hard in December of ’98, did everything we knew, all of his facilities. I think it was an effective set of strikes. Tony Zinni commanded that, called Operation Desert Fox, and I think that set them back a long ways. But we never believed that that was the end of the problem. I think there was a certain amount of hype in the intelligence, and I think the information that’s come out thus far does indicate that there was a sort of selective reading of the intelligence in the sense of sort of building a case.
MR. RUSSERT: Hyped by whom?
GEN. CLARK: Well, I...
MR. RUSSERT: The CIA, or the president or vice president? Secretary of Defense, who?
GEN. CLARK: I think it was an effort to convince the American people to do something, and I think there was an immediate determination right after 9/11 that Saddam Hussein was one of the keys to winning the war on terror. Whether it was the need just to strike out or whether he was a linchpin in this, there was a concerted effort during the fall of 2001 starting immediately after 9/11 to pin 9/11 and the terrorism problem on Saddam Hussein.
MR. RUSSERT: By who? Who did that?
GEN. CLARK: Well, it came from the White House, it came from people around the White House. It came from all over.BREAK right here

This is where Clark's answer to Russerts "Who hyped" question runs into his next thought about a call he received from a ME thinktank

RESTART hereGEN. CLARK: I got a call on 9/11. I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, “You got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to Saddam Hussein.” I said, “But—I’m willing to say it but what’s your evidence?” And I never got any evidence. And these were people who had—Middle East think tanks and people like this and it was a lot of pressure to connect this and there were a lot of assumptions made. But I never personally saw the evidence and didn’t talk to anybody who had the evidence to make that connection. . . .



Now does it sound like Clark said the call came from the WH?

[uptohere]

17. right after he finds a way to explain his inability to identify

which country the source was from. This is one of the more damning things he has done. He makes this up and then starts spewing an ever crazier account of who the source was winding up with some supposed Canadian group that doesn't exist.

The guy got his cajones removed when he was fired from his NATO Supreme Being Euro gig.

[David Zephyr]

18. Clinton In Australia on 9/11 & Said it Was Osama. Rummy Said Saddam Did It

This is old news but even Clinton way back spoke about how the White House was saying it was Iraq behind 9/11 and Clinton was weighing in from Australia saying that it could only be Osama bin Laden and that he was amazed at how Rummy and gang were preparing for war with Iraq.

[ignatiusr]

19. Clarification VERY necessary here

Clark did NOT receive a phone call from the White House. Is anyone reading the transcript? He never said it came from the White House, he never even came close to saying so. Read the exchange:

GEN. CLARK: Whether it was the need just to strike out or whether he was a linchpin in this, there was a concerted effort during the fall of 2001 starting immediately after 9/11 to pin 9/11 and the terrorism problem on Saddam Hussein.
MR. RUSSERT: By who? Who did that?
GEN. CLARK: Well, it came from the White House, it came from people around the White House. It came from all over. I got a call on 9/11. I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, “You got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to Saddam Hussein.” I said, “But—I’m willing to say it but what’s your evidence?” And I never got any evidence. And these were people who had—Middle East think tanks and people like this and it was a lot of pressure to connect this and there were a lot of assumptions made. But I never personally saw the evidence and didn’t talk to anybody who had the evidence to make that connection. . . .


He said "It came from the White House, it came from people around the White House, it came from all over" in response to the question about who made the effort to pin 9/11 on Hussein. THEN, he went on to say that he received a phone call on 9/11, but there is never any suggestion that he's referring to the White House. What he DOES say directly after the phone call statement is "These were people who had- Middle East think tanks and people like this..." That's who he is referring to. He has stated over and over that he was referring to a Middle Eastern think tank. When people got confused about this, and I honestly can't understand why they did in the first place, he immediately clarified, and has continued to do so. It's pretty simple, if you look at the actual transcript.

[grasswire]

21. he issued a clarification...

...in the form of a letter to the NY Times. I don't have it, but I'm sure someone who really wanted it could find it.

[ThomWV]

22. Wait A Minute Here

Hold on for just a minute here. Of course it was the White House telling it to him, god dam, if you'll remember correctly it was the White House that was telling the exact same thing to Everyone, the news, you, me, the rest of the world, just everyone. They were calling him just another conduit to back up the bullshit they were spewing virtually everywhere - that Iraq and Sadam were linked.

Thom

[linazelle]

23. Bait thread....

These people are all over DU's boards today...or maybe I'm just paranoid. But I can smell a rat from miles away and what "stinks" is the point behind this post--to nail Clark.

[Brian Sweat]

24. He didn't say the white house made the call.

It was a Middle Eastern Think Tank in Canada.