They Are Piling On Top of Dick Cheney, BIG TIME!

[David Zephyr]

In Less than Seven Days:

1.) Cheney loses his request for an appeal regarding his having to surrender the names and notes from his dirty little energy policy meetings and is faced with either surrendering all documents or appealing to the Supreme Court.
2.) Dick Morris tell Sean Hannity this week that Bush II has "learned the lesson" from Bush I when his dad should have dumped Quayle in his bid for a second term. Morris recommends that Bush dump Cheney and chose Powell as his VP running mate to split the Democrats on 2004.
3.) Cheney goes on Russert and says "I did misspeak" (lied) about Saddam's nuclear program. Who told him to confess on national TV?
4.) Cheney announces he will go to the Supreme Court to keep his energy meeting contents and attendees secret in his last ditch stand.
5.) Cheney is fingered by the President of the United States, the Secretary of Defense and the head of the National Security Council all on the very same day as being the one to have misled Americans.
6.) Cheney is exposed as a liar after his denying having any relationship with Halliburton whatsoever on national television Sunday.

All in less than 7 days with the momentum growing furious.

[KCDem]

1. yeah, it's pretty disgusting.

I hate Cheney, don't get me wrong. But now the administration is just setting up a scapegoat so that they can be cleared of everything for the next election. I'm sure part of it also stems from the fact that Cheney is not exactly a good pick for 2008, and the Republican party would like to have a potential Pres for their next VP.

Makes me sick. Good riddance, Cheney. But I hope the American public doesn't fall for this political stunt.

[dusty64]

10. I agree, why should

this war criminal be allowed to slither off to enjoy the rest of his wretched life in wealth. He belongs in jail or ....................

[ThomWV]

13. Dam This

I could immagine Bush running with Condosleeezzzzzza. In one fell swoop they could apeal to both the black and woman vote, at least in their own minds.

Thom

[diplomats]

20. Black voters don't like Bush

whether Condi's on the ticket or not. Besides, I think Cheney's becoming so tainted it's a reflection on Bush and getting rid of him won't guarantee Bush anything. He's Spiro Agnew redux, and we know what became of Nixon.

[TennesseeWalker]

22. BWAH-HA-HA

Condi appeals to NEITHER blacks NOR women.

[janekat]

31. and all of the knuckle-dragging rednecks will run.... n/t

[janekat]

29. Well if we start to see Rush & Co. badmouthing him - we'll know

he's toast. That will mean Dubya & Co. gave him the go-ahead to "Trent Lottize" him.

[Brucey]

2. Boy, exciting, maybe the rumors are right

Maybe he won't be on the ticket. They'll say something about his health. But, it will be great to bring down one of them!

[TennesseeWalker]

39. Except the damage is done.

Our Republic is heading toward the crapper, and ditching Cheney might satisfy some of the recently awakening sheep of a citizenry we have.

I don't want them satisfied. I want rid of all the corporate assholes ruling our country, and I want reasonable, moderate politicians put in place who will work toward a sustainable future for our country. I'm tired of globalization, and I'm tired of this artificial world that corporations are creating. I think the way we live now is bad for the soul, and I want it changed.

[AngryYoungMan]

3. Could Cheney fall?

It doesn't seem possible. It would take the concerted might of the entire right wing establishment.

Kind of like that Len Colodny "Silent Coup" theory about Nixon.

[Hubert Flottz]

4. If Dick goes who will be Resident?

Kenny Boy?

[southern democrat]

17. Go south to Tennessee

and Bill Frist and secure those electroral votes.High probabally of Tricky Dick II going down.His heart may suddenly get weaker and he'll have to resign for health reasons.The shit will keep hitting the fan,but the press will be shamed in letting him off so they don't look like their piling up on a sick old ex-vice president.And the sad part,this realisticaly could happen.

[TennesseeWalker]

23. Frist is a good bet.

eom

[southern democrat]

30. If Frist was on the ticket with Charles Manson ,Tennessee

would vote for it.That damn Frist is popular in TN.

[TennesseeWalker]

36. Yep..pretty popular.

Plus, he seems moderate to the rest of the world. I think this has really been engineered. They needed to raise Frist's profile, so they get rid of Lott. Now, with Cheney in trouble, Frist comes in to the tune of "Here he comes to save the day"

I must say I'm proud of Lamar Alexander (R) and Phil Bredesen (D)...they continue to carry on the tradition of thinking, responsible Tennessee politicians, like Al Gore. Bredesen (our governor) even recently said that Bush was "no longer his president".

He was NEVER my president. Not for one day.

[southern democrat]

42. Bredesen has got much potential,He's going to cruise to a

term if his next 3 years are as good as first one.What he has done here in Tn. is nothing short of amazing. He would be great on a national ticket in a few years.There's way to much left to be done here in Tn.for him to go anywhere for a while.We need Phil Bredesen in Tn. I have to admit I was surprised in Alexander going agianst W with Smokey enviornmental issue.I respect him for that.

[TennesseeWalker]

43. Lamar's a responsible soul.

Plus, he voted against that horrible FCC decision of the corporate Michael Powell.

I'm really enjoying seeing Shrub get his ass kicked.

[TennesseeWalker]

44. Lamar's a responsible soul.

Plus, he voted against that horrible FCC decision of the corporate Michael Powell.

I'm really enjoying seeing Shrub get his ass kicked.

[southern democrat]

46. As far as Frist goes, If I'm not mistaken.He used to be a

democrat.But I will never vote for him.

[calimary]

64. Yeah, he might be, BUT

I'd bet they don't touch him. He's in the Senate. They're not about to pull anybody out of the Senate and mess with their teeny-tiny majority. They can't afford to lose one rethug voice there. They wouldn't dare rock the boat. They'll pick somebody else. Rudy, CONdi, think positioning - for November 2004 AND beyond.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. My latest thought: Cheney=Agnew.

Disclaimer: I'm stoned and drunk.

Disclaimer disclaimer: And a proud, clear-thinking liberal.

Disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer: Joking about the weed.

Disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer: And the booze.

Disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer: And the clear-thinking part.

[Betty]

6. But cheney tells bush what to do...

I always thought. bush is the puppet.

[AngryYoungMan]

7. Maybe Cheney will threaten to tear Bush down with him..or actually do it.

Cheney could release all kinds of damaging info on W, in retaliation etc.

That would be unbelievable. Bush and the Right Wing establishment vs. Cheney in a fight to the death! Who wins?

[David Zephyr]

55. Yes.

It's a real Catch 22 for the Bush family, isn't it?

[liberalmuse]

8. I want this entire...

stink of an administration gone. Not just Cheney. All of the lying, murdering, thieving fuckers. I want them all puked out of the bowels of the White House, and sitting in jail cells.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

9. No doubt it is to pick a more moderate figurehead to get the Repub base

back but I also suspect FAT TONY has given them word that he can't help DICK out on the energy papers deal.

[StandWatie]

16. repub "base" thinks W is a liberal

I could dig up endless threads where the FReepers said they only voted for W because of Cheney.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

26. Freepers aren't their base

[StandWatie]

32. what are they then?

I know they are troglodytes but I imagined they pretty well represented your average rabid republican.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

54. Their base is middle class and upper class males primarily

[David Zephyr]

18. I Swear to God, NSMA -- Only I Think It is Rehnquist

I told my business partner at lunch that Rehnquist, the long time family friend of the Bushes, probably has called Poppy down at his Tanglewood home in Houston and said, "Listen, George, I just got through speaking with David Kennedy and Sandra Day O'Connor and they are stubbornly refusing to let the SCOTUS hear Cheney's appeal and that they will side with Souter, Stevens, Breyer and Ginsburg. There's nothing I can do."

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. I DO think that the other 6 members of the court (minus Rehnquist

Scalia and Thomas) are probably a bit miffed that they MAY once again find themselves politicized with the California fiasco along with this deliberate scam by Cheney.

Honestly, I fear for their safety.

[Booberdawg]

57. "Honestly, I fear for their safety."

Now there is a chilling thought.

Like many others I would take great delight in seeing the skeleton of the bush* v Gore decision rattle it's ugly bones in their faces and under their noses again. What goes around comes around.

While I would like to see the issue in California settled with the Ninth Circuit and an election date in March, a big part of me would like to see this case shoved under their noses, just for the simple pleasure of having the abyss forced upon them so they either have to look into it or publicly and consciously refuse to look into it. Either way, they lose. It is just that the careers of the felonious five always be remembered for the bastardization they visited upon the Constitution and the concepts of separation of powers and having every vote counted.

Cheney – he is so powerful and connected and plain fucking evil it’s hard to imagine him going down. I can only imagine whatever comes out about him will be supplemented with a lot a smoke and mirrors as well as an ample supply of Vaseline to go with the total butt fuck we’ll get with it.

[RainDog]

47. what was that you said about Lynne Cheney?

aka Martha Mitchell?

do you still think she'll tell on them?

I can't see it, but the only thing I know about her is that when I had an NEA grant, she was trying to make sure everyone who needed one was equated with piss/christ.

I think the administration is at an interesting point...maybe the tipping point for them. If they protect Cheney vis a vis the energy policy task force, they will further damage themselves because people are hearing the dirt from them on Cheney.

If they don't protect him, they give an opening for some truth, with a bipartisan spin because of Klayman's group.

I think Bush overplayed his hand starting with the SOTU address, and crapped out with the tailhook propaganda. The invasion has gone so badly that he looks more and more like the ass that he is.

Yeah!

not to say that they are not full of dirty tricks. but I think they've underestimated everyone else in both America and the rest of the world and too many people want them to have to eat some, uh, dirt for the crap they've pulled.

please, please, please let this be the beginning of the end for them all!

Please let Rove be next with the Plame game.

Please let Bush's SOTU address be played over and over as he tries to deny his part in lying to the American people.

I'm not begging to you, btw. :)

[David Zephyr]

49. Lynne Cheney.

You remembered. Thanks Raindog.

Yeah, just like Martha Mitchell would get drunk and get on the telephone and call half of Washington, D.C. at night spilling the beans on Nixon, Halderman and the rest for setting up John Mitchell, the AG, to take the fall for Watergate, I don't think that Lynne Cheney, our Domestic Patriotism Czar, will be very thrilled about her family name being linked with Spiro Agnew in history forever more.

I also don't believe that Dick Cheney will go quietly into the night. This guy KNOWS all the dope on George W. Bush's cocaine arrest, Dubya's Harkin insider trading, and worse, the Bush/bin Laden incestous relationships.

I can't see Dick going quietly or Lynne letting him do so either.

There's going to be some real hatred brewing between the Blair House and the White House.

[sham]

11. This is frightening me a little.

I can see Cheney falling on his sword, citing health reasons for his departure. And all of the scandals leave with him. Whenever one of *'s shady policies comes up, the finger will point to Cheney. And the sheeple will fall in line and exonerate * on everything, leaving us Dems screaming at the sky next Nov.

I would love to see any of them go down, but I'm also scared at the same time...

[diplomats]

15. That might be the plan, and it could work, I suppose

but if Cheney drops out, even if he cites health reasons, there's so much criticism of him he's becoming Spiro Agnew, and that doesn't make Bush look good at all. And I'm not sure the investigations will end if Cheney's no longer VP.

[southern democrat]

25. They have to have a fall guy,

tricky dick II fits the bill.He is probabally the one who's got his pockets filled the most.He can afford to retire in style.Without a doubt he is a liabilty,he dosen't secure any EV's either.75-80% chance he's toast.

[bloom]

38. He probably wants to get back to Haliburton

[AngryYoungMan]

21. Cheney will NEVER fall on his sword.

That man's mission in life is to amass power and avoid all responsibility. He NEVER takes the fall. He NEVER is blamed or even mentioned.

[colorado_ufo]

50. Sham, you have seen the light.

[diplomats]

12. If the Bushies want to get rid of Cheney

he must not be willing to go because they're resorting to all kinds of public pressure. Why air the dirty laundry unless he's trying to hang on? Otherwise just have him say he won't be on the ticket for "health reasons."

[TennesseeWalker]

27. If they beat him to death in public, America will think HE's the problem.

Instead of Shrub and the other evildoers.

[diplomats]

35. But if your VP's a crook, what does that say about you?

BTW, there's a certain level of schadenfreude in this for me. Cheney has repeatedly attacked Clinton's morals - wouldn't it be great to see him hoist on his own petard?

[TennesseeWalker]

41. Oh, I love it...don't get me wrong.

I just don't want everyone to think that all is well in Lollipop land if they get rid of the limp Dick.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

58. Maybe it's gonna go like Watergate...first Cheney...then Bush

and the cocksucker will probably pick Jebbie for a VP.

[gristy]

14. Yep, his health prevents him from running.

That, and to spend more time with his family.

What he really wants is to get back into the employ of Halliburton.

I don't see Powell accepting any offer of the VP slot. I just don't think he could bring himself to do it.

Good summary of all the stuff coming down on Cheney.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

19. In 2000 Powell said that he did not want to be a VP!

I do NOT see him doing this!

Hope I'm Right!

[ewagner]

28. I know he said that

but what about all the dirty work and soul-selling Powell has done for dubya over the last 6 mos? Was that the payment for Cheney's slot?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

34. Does Powell really want to be President????

Frist or Hagel would like to be President! Frist is only 50 and would be a top pick to succeed das Furher!

[southern democrat]

37. I agree Powell has lost much of his luster and credibilty

He's also a liabilty in Ala.Ms.Ark.S.C. and Tn.Alot of those gop'ers are still fighting the civil war.

[leftofthedial]

33. the decrepit old lizard was gonna retire anyway

he barely ever slithers out of his undisclosed location as it is.

Their plan has always been for him to "retire" as the scapegoat for as many of their crimes as they can pile on his back before he leaves. He won't face any consequences for any of it. Poppy pardoned more criminals than any president in history and Junior will surely break his record before oozing back into the slime he sprung from.

[grasswire]

40. powell could have been president on his own terms

Being one of the most popular public figures in America, Powell didn't need to serve the Bushes. He could have had the WH on his own. He's not dickering for a VP bid.

[eleny]

45. Remember when he dropped out of the running...

because the press was going through his trash and found his wife's empty discarded prescription containers? I don't figure that he'd accept no matter what.

[KoKo]

51. Powell is Toast! He lied....exaggerated to the UN about WMD...He trashed

French and Germans.......That's how we who were agains the "Invasion" view him. He turned on us who thought he would keep Bush "in check." He never was what we thought he was....and neither was John McCain.

They were painted as Repug Lite to deceive us. I won't be deceived and the Repugs who turn against Bush won't be , either. The Freeps will be loyal to the end.....but they are more of a minority(with loud,mouths and easily manipulated brains) than we give them credit for. They are a "tool" for the Repugs. They may be the last group standign with Bush when this all is over....if it's ever over...

[colorado_ufo]

48. Save your tears. Cheney is complicit in this,

along with *, Rice, Rummy, Wolfie, etc. Dean represented a growing threat of strength from the Democratic party, along with *'s falling poll numbers. Then, along comes Clark, to really make them shake in their jackboots. And, the emboldened media, now questioning the obvious, is the cherry on top.

So, the new plan - to hit the brakes and reverse the Saddam/9-11 rhetoric and lay the blame at Cheney's feet - accomplishes the following:

1 - "Clears the slate" from any media or opposition criticism of their not-too-subtle attempts to build association between Saddam and 9/11;

2 - Cheney becomes free to retire due to "health" concerns and collect the spoils that have been set aside for him from Halliburton et al.;

3 - Opens the field for a new VP running mate for *, to add interest/vitality/fresh lies to their 2004 campaign. And of the choices, they have the option of Frist - their OWN doctor - to counter Dean's threat and credibility.

4 - Best of all, it is yet another distraction, away from the crumbling economy and the fiasco in Iraq.

Wonder who thought this one up? Personally, judging from the style, I think it has Karen Hughes' fingerprints all over it.

[gristy]

52. These folks are NOT geniuses

I don't think they've thought this thing all the way through, and I don't think this plan is going to benefit shrubs re-election at all. What it will do is expose a gaping wound in the BFEE, and the press, dems, and even the general public, smelling blood, will go after the entire BFEE big time. This isn't Enron and this isn't the CFO of Enron.

[colorado_ufo]

53. Hope your analysis is right!

[eleny]

60. I heard they aren't happy with Frist...

because he went soft on them over the filibustering. Evidently, he said something like the Dems might see the light and do the right thing eventually. The WH was steaming over that. I've noticed that he isn't in the news much.

But then again, you may be right. They may have painted themselves into a corner and will need him for some sense of credibility. Not that Frist would fool anyone. He's got the skeletons, too, hasn't he?

[maggrwaggr]

61. I'd have to vote with that. What's going on is orchestrated

quite well.

Cheney won't go unless it's partly his own idea.

He wants to get back to Halliburton. As the head fox, he's done his job in the henhouse and wants to go, well, eat up all the barbequed hens.

The Repubs are realizing they're in Big Trouble in 2004 and they need to shake things up. Which for them means a new VP, since they're not smart enough to jettison Bush himself.

Whether it's Frist or not, who knows. I think they may try something a little more surprising than that.

[haymaker]

56. Cheney will be gone, regardless of how they do it.

It is just too much trouble to dig up his corpse and re-animate him every time the Monkey's poll numbers drop.

[sal]

59. Whistle Dick ain't going nowhere

He's BFEE family. A BLACK Republican Vice-President? Are you kidding?

[indepat]

62. Is it possible they know the Supreme Court will rule against Cheney

and all those papers from the energy policy meetings will be released, letting many extremely damaging cats out of the proverbial bag?

[conservdem]

63. Do you have a cite for #6?