Dean CFR? Anti war? Anti Bush or (drumroll please...) Anti Christ?

[tinanator]

By Michael Vader Price

At first, I was very much for Dean. I thought most of his issues
resonated with me.

However, I started to notice the grey area and little things that link
him to the current Bush administration.

for starters...

http://www.cfr.org/publication.php?id=6080

CFR as in Council on Foreign Relations. If you are not aware of the
corruption in this organization, realize this. Every presidential
cabinet in past 90 years has been flooded with members of this
council.

Some would say "Yay, bipartisan support" but you have to look deeper
than that. They have had their hand in aligning America as a
globalist, increasing govt size, Big military spending, and many
other corruptive activites... and HOWARD DEAN is affiliated with
them. Just like GWBush, Bill Clinton, GBush Sr. Ron Reagan. They all
come from the same Apple tree. Some are green apples some are red
apples. They are still apples.

His speech to CFR was on June 23rd 2003, a month and 1/2 later... Dean
gets this press... coincidence?

Howard Dean was on the Cover of Time, Newsweek, and US News and World
Report in the same week. CNN did a large piece on him that same week.
BIG MEDIA wants him to run vs Bush. Why? I figure the apple theory
runs solid here.

Dean is a multimillionaire. His father was a top executive in Dean
Witter... was his family the "Dean" in Dean Witter?? I havent found
that out yet.

Most people like Dean, because of the fact that he is against the war,
and the media has created this facade of him being an "Anti-Bush" in
every sense of the word.

Well... Dean graduated from Yale 3 years after Bush... and has sealed
his gubernatorial records for 10 years. Seems secrecy is a key thing
with him.

Dean is smarter and craftier than Bush... So now that I have linked
him to the Dark Side of Politics... i think he could be MORE
dangerous than Bush. He has already mentioned NOT cutting defense
budgets... How can America be any different with him in office?

As for me, Im voting for the only candidate to vote AGAINST the
Patriot Act. Dennis Kucinich. I waivered back and forth, but in the
end, this candidate is golden. And Dean is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

I encourage you to do some more research about candidates who align
themselves with the CFR. Google is your friend.

also check these comparisons.

http://www.bobharris.com/kucinichdean.html

You too may change your opinion on this man, and please tell all other
Dean supporters to reevaluate the rationale behind why they support
him. Most people like him because they were media spoonfed. I was,
but I had to reevaluate.

Thanks. God Bless America.

Michael Vader Price

"Since its founding... the CFR has been the preeminent intermediary
between the world of high finance, big oil, corporate elitism, and the
U.S. government. Its members slide smoothly into cabinet-level jobs in
Republican and Democratic administrations. The policies promulgated in
its quarterly journal, Foreign Affairs, become U.S. government
policy."
-- Jonathan Vankin (1)

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/cfrintro.htm

[NicoleM]

1. a new low

[hang a left]

9. Listen, I don't know if Dean is CFR

But anyone who is connected to CFR, TRilateral Commission or a Bildeberger is someone to be very cautious of. PLEASE PLEASE take a look at this

http://truedemocracy.net/td3/shadow/s01.html

[NicoleM]

18. I was referring to the "Anti Christ" comment

[Evil_Dewers]

2. Thanks. God Bless America.

And no other country--because that's the way God wanted it when he selected His only other son George Dubya Bush to be our pResident.

Michael Vader Price

[tinanator]

3. some people have concerns

THE DEAN DECEPTION
The lying S.O.B.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html





Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!

Or, as the post-Vatican II generation would put it:

Through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault!

I confess: I wanted to believe. I wanted to hope. I wanted to have faith in Howard Dean as the anti-war candidate. I even wrote a column about it, wherein I praised the former Vermont governor and sometime critic of the Iraq war. Good lord, I even compared him to Adlai Stevenson!

Boy oh boy, was I ever wrong! How wrong? Here is Dean giving Fred Hiatt of the Washington Post the real scoop:

"'I don't even consider myself a dove,' he told me and my colleague Ruth Marcus during a conversation before the rally…. It's true that he opposed the war in Iraq, he says, but he supported the 1991 Gulf War and the Bush campaign against the Taliban in Afghanistan. More interesting, at a time when many politicians are shuddering at President Bush's ambitions to remake the Middle East – conservatives, because they are skeptical of such grand reshaping ambitions; liberals, because they see resources being diverted from social causes at home – Dean sounds if anything more committed than Condoleezza Rice to bringing democracy to Iraq.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

[w4rma]

6. This was my email to Justin Raimondo

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=8078#8110
To: [e-mail]
Subject: The Dean Deception-- Raimondo

I'm not writing to change your mind on war and peace, I'm writing to clear up some inaccuracies you have about Gov. Dean. (Full disclosure: I lean towards isolationism but not so far as to oppose helping Europe defeat the Nazis whose ideology of fascism I am diametrically opposed to.)

"About facts you and I cannot differ; because truth is our mutual guide. And if any opinions you may express should be different from mine, I shall receive them with the liberality and indulgence which I ask for my own, and still cherish with warmth the sentiments of affectionate respect, of which I can with so much truth tender you the assurance." --John Adams, Jun 15, 1813
"We are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it." --Thomas Jefferson to William Roscoe, 1820.

You're right that Gov. Dean isn't a dove. However, he's also not a hawk. He would be better described as an owl. He opposed the invasions of Vietnam and Iraq in 2003. He supported Bush, Sr.'s "Desert Storm" and the invasion of Afghanistan (although it is my understanding that he believes that Bush has done a horrible job in Afghanistan).


Text of "The Great American Restoration" (Speech given by Gov. Dean around June 23, 2003)
…
As we experience the crisis of community at home, we are witnessing the effort to repudiate 225 years of American consensus on what our nation’s place should be in the world.

Since the time of Thomas Paine and John Adams, our founders implored that we were not to be the new Rome. We are not to conquer and suppress other nations to submit to our will. We were to inspire them.

The idea of America using its power solely for its own ends is not consistent with the idealistic moral force the world has known for over two centuries.

We must rejoin the world community. America is far stronger as the moral and military leader of the world than we will ever be by relying solely on military power. We destroyed repressive communist regimes without firing a shot, not simply by having a strong military, but because we had a better ideal to show the world.
…
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000481.html


…
Sunday, October 6, 2002; Page A12
…
Speaking at a fundraising dinner filled with activists wary about going to war again in the Persian Gulf again, Sens. John F. Kerry (Mass.) and John Edwards (N.C.), and Vermont Gov. Howard Dean highlight the spectrum of opinion within the Democratic Party as lawmakers in Washington prepare to vote on a resolution authorizing war.
…
Dean, whose advocacy of liberal domestic policies has struck a chord among grass-roots activists here, offered the sharpest dissent. He contended that Bush has yet to make a compelling case to justify going to war.

"The greatest fear I have about Iraq is not just that we will engage in unwise conduct and send our children to die without having an adequate explanation from the president of the United States," he said. "The greater fear I have is the president has never said what the truth is, which is if we go into Iraq we will be there for 10 years to build that democracy and the president must tell us that before we go."
…
http://www.dre-mfa.gov.ir/eng/iraq/iraqanalysis_27.html


Statement from Howard Dean on Worsening Crisis in Liberia
Wednesday July 2, 2003
By: Press Office
…
"Currently, we face a challenge to our long-term security interests in West Africa, and the world faces an emerging humanitarian crisis. The situation in Liberia is unfolding in the context of increasing instability throughout West Africa - Sierra Leone is still going through a difficult transition, and more recently Cote d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast) collapsed into conflict. We can ill afford a swath of instability stretching across that region. There are also credible reports that terrorist networks, including Al Qaeda, have begun to exploit that instability by, for example, trading in illegal "conflict diamonds" to finance their operations.


"As a member of the international community, and the world's leading power, we share responsibility for helping to resolve such conflicts throughout the world. Our British allies stepped up to the plate when they intervened in Sierra Leone three years ago to stabilize that situation. The French have gone into Cote d'Ivoire; and French and British troops are now doing duty in the eastern Congo. African governments have sent peacekeepers into Burundi, and West African leaders have pledged to again send thousands of peacekeepers to Liberia. Now, the British, French, UN Secretary General and our West African partners are all calling on the U.S. to assist Liberia. I believe that the US must do its share.


"We must do this not only to defend our interests, but to act as force for good in a country that has been an ally to the US for decades. The Bush administration claims to prize "moral clarity" in their conduct of foreign policy. I can think of no better way for the Administration to demonstrate this quality than to step in to assist the people of Liberia, which have long been oppressed by vicious dictators, most recently Charles Taylor. We have the power to help the people of Liberia put themselves on a path to security and eventual democracy by helping resolve a crisis. We must never again stand idly by as we did in Rwanda in the face of humanitarian crisis. That inaction remains a terrible stain on our record.


"For all of these reasons, I urge the President to act by sending U.S. troops to be a part of a multinational peacekeeping force under U.S. command to enforce a cease-fire and ensure the safety of the civilian population.


"Specifically, we should participate in a short term deployment as requested by the United Nations, the United Kingdom, France and the West Africans in which our troops comprise a significant, but not majority, portion of the force. ECOWAS (the regional organization of West Africa) has committed to sending 3000 troops. I believe that if the U.S. provided troops in the range of 2000, cooperating with ECOWAS troops but with a U.S. command, we could stabilize the situation and remain in Liberia for no more than several months, at which time a UN peacekeeping mission could be deployed to oversee a period of transition.


"Our presence is vital to securing the peace until a UN transitional authority, backed by a UN peacekeeping force, can facilitate a democratic transition and allow a reconstitution of civil society. Once our peacekeeping role has been transferred to the UN, it is imperative that we continue to support the process logistically and financially.
…
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6568&news_iv_ctrl=1301
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=7897&forum=DCForumID71

[hedda_foil]

4. Dean is NOT a member of the CFR. He made a speech to them.

Clark is a high-ranking member. Kerry is a high-ranking member.

I have not looked at Edwards, Liebershits or Graham to see if they are or are not.

[hang a left]

7. BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bildebergers!!!!!!!!!!

[Jim Sagle]

5. This thread ain't nuthin' but shit.

[zeemike]

13. This post is not shit

It is wonderfully transparent propaganda. Oh the wonderful indignation at being fooled! And what sinister evil!
The poster is a shepherd with a pointed stick poking at the dean flock to drive at lest some of them away. And who he wants them to go to is a mystery… could be Clark or Kerry … or it could be bush or green who knows but the poster?

[tinanator]

14. I coulda sworn it was just someones opinion

but hey, if propaganda fits your bill, sobeit. Im still trying to reconcile "anti-Iraqi-involvement-without UN support" and the broader "antiwar" category. Not to mention corporate support, which is INEVITABLY pro-war. Listen to me, I sound like a single issue voter! If so, that issue is justice. Where does he stand on that?

[zeemike]

16. An opinion

Derived from selective facts is propaganda that has worked. Is it not why propaganda is created?
Real justice is a long way off in our future. But this is all about taking a small step forward. And which is the one to best take that step.

[tinanator]

20. real justice is one honest election away

isnt it? At this point in time the American people are DESPERATE for someone to do them right. Is that asking so much? Too much?

[zeemike]

22. I wish that were true

But it’s going to take a lot longer than that. No matter if Mother Teresa were elected she could not changes the harts of so many so quickly

[Starpass]

8. It didn't take all that verbage for me to step way back from Dean

It was his Russert interview a few years ago where he laid out his ideas to balance a budget. It was absolutely Draconian in it's attack of social/people programs in this country. Whomever the leaflet passer-outer that was mentioned in the second article was, has got to be nutso if he thinks Dean is for universal healthcare. He loves HMO's and he doesn't think patients should have rights to sue, etc. If he's not saying these things now, then he either had a vision on the road to Damascus or he's not telling the truth. I can't look beyond that and trust him. And, I really would like another candidate to confront him with his words, so I can hear what he has to say. I know a Union chased him down after an appearance and shoved the words at him. I want more clarification from his as he looks into a camera and says it.

[blm]

15. What appearance was that?

.

[Sinistrous]

10. Ooooh! Dean has not mentioned cutting the defense budget.

Can you say "Political Suicide", tinanator.

Defense is not Dean's strong suit. For him to talk about cutting defense spending at this point would put him out of the race in a nanosecond.

He has, however, talked much about the responsible use of the armed forces.

[tinanator]

19. Cutting defense is mandatory if you want ABB

Otherwise its Bushlite, with no skin off the MIC/DIA/NSC Carlyle outfits' collective noses. How can you have a victory if the losers dont lose?

[clar]

11. The trouble with tin foil

is aluminum rots the brain. I think your hat has some seepage.

BTW Dean = First name
Witter = Last name

In other words, no relation, as has been posted numerous times before.

Another thought, If Dean was a money hungry, power hungry SOB, he should have stayed on Wall Street for a few years, or gotten a law degree and run for something in NY. Vermont is not the place to accrue power. Dean is reportedly worth 3- 4 million, not exactly a huge amount of money. He lives in a modest home, drives an old car, and dresses as if he bought his clothes at KMart.

[Upfront]

12. Yawn

[Selwynn]

17. Best post on the thread

"It was his Russert interview a few years ago where he laid out his ideas to balance a budget. It was absolutely Draconian in it's attack of social/people programs in this country. Whomever the leaflet passer-outer that was mentioned in the second article was, has got to be nutso if he thinks Dean is for universal healthcare. He loves HMO's and he doesn't think patients should have rights to sue, etc. If he's not saying these things now, then he either had a vision on the road to Damascus or he's not telling the truth. I can't look beyond that and trust him. And, I really would like another candidate to confront him with his words, so I can hear what he has to say. I know a Union chased him down after an appearance and shoved the words at him. I want more clarification from his as he looks into a camera and says it."

Hear hear!

[haymaker]

21. Another brilliant "Dean is Bush" post.

Where do they all come from?