How many people at DU are secretly wishing for Bush in 2004?

[BurtWorm]

To heighten the contradictions?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=358461

[TreasonousBastard]

1. Excuse me?

[AngryYoungMan]

2. Nobody!

Except maybe some Greens.

Not trying to start a fight; just refering to Nader's rhetoric about how it "doesn't matter" which major party controls the White House

[liberalhistorian]

14. LOL!

Good point. Prepare to be flamed royally, though.

[Brucey]

3. Secretly wishing for Bush?

I don't get it.

[BurtWorm]

6. What else is the meaning of so many voting

in this admittedly nonscientific poll that the "best we can hope for" is heightened contradictions, perhaps leading to revolution? At least 5 DUers voted for that. Did they misinterpet the question? Do they have a hope that a Democrat can better heighten the contradictions than Bush? Or are they merely without hope that anything better than heightened contradictions will result from the next election?

[Forkboy]

9. Wow...5 voters

out of 31,000+ members.

[BurtWorm]

12. It's up to 6.

That's a 20% increase in the last ten minutes! ;)

[Forkboy]

15. lol

:)

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[Forkboy]

39. oh...excuse me

it was 6 out of about 20,000 then :eyes:

[rucky]

26. Nader logicians?

"It'll have to get worse before it gets better." that's Nader for ya!

[soothsayer]

4. I wish alot of things for dumbya in 2004...

...but the wh isn't one of 'em

[Terwilliger]

5. I dont know

I voted "Nothing good to hope for"

[BurtWorm]

8. I'm sorry to hear that, Terwilliger.

I can understand that position, having been in it many times, and I know it's a painful position to hold.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

7. In addition...

I am secretly hoping I get tertiary syphilis, as well...

[Bridget Burke]

10. Probably some do...

But it's not nice to name long-time low-level disrupters.

[BurtWorm]

11. I have no intention of naming any.

But I do have data to suggest that some here do.

[PAMod]

13. I'm (not so) secretly wishing for Bush...

to be the Republican nominee in '04 so the democratic nominee can kick his a** back to his fake ranch in Crawford, TX.

How's that?

I'm not a violent person, but I don't know what I'd do if I met a real Democrat who would like to torpedo the '04 Democratic nominee.

There is too much at stake to set up anyone for '08, I don't care whose wife she is.

[stoystown]

16. Not me

Although, I am looking forward to a Busch beer in 2004.

[BurtWorm]

17. Blecchhh!

How about a Charles Busch revue?

[Blue-Jay]

18. Well, if you listen to talk radio,

There's a lot of us wishing for Bush to win in 2004. That's because we know that Hillary will have an easier time getting elected when she runs in 2008 against a non-incumbent. Wee ALL wish for that. Really we do! Sean Hannity told me so.

[Atlant]

19. I don't "wish for Bush". But I do fear for a Democratic Administration.

Here's my nightmare scenario:

1. A Democrat gets elected President.
   
   
2. But the Republicans continue to hold the House, Senate, Supreme
   Court, and the Media.
   
   
3. Holding the other four branches of Government, the Republicans
   can assure that the Democratic President is a dismal failure. At best,
   he simply completely fails to deliver on any of his campaign promises
   and the country runs further off the road and into the ditch. In the
   more-probable course, a few "terrorist" attacks help foster that
   general impression of the President's "failure". At worst, a few
   cooked-up scandals end up with the removal of the Democratic
   President.
   
   
4. After this "latest in a long series of Democratic Failures" (which
   must be true because we'll all have read it and seen it on all the
   blabbing-heads shows), the Democrats won't be elected to any office,
   even dog catcher for decades and decades to come.

I'm afraid my nightmare is pretty plausible, even if we win back a
slim majority in the House and/or Senate because the Republicans
will still absolutely hold the Supreme Court and the Media, so as
long as the Republicans have a sizable presence in the House and
Senate, our goose is cooked.

And that's why I might not be disappointed to see a Republican
President reaping in 2004-2008 the whirlwind that this asshole
Republican President has sown.

Atlant

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. Well that certainly is a nightmare scenario

:-( Sometimes this place is sooooo depressing.

[Atlant]

29. Worse yet, I'd give the scenario about 75% odds of "playing out"! (NT)

[BurtWorm]

30. Does it not seem just as likely that Dems will trounce Repubs

and win back majorities in bopth chambers of Congress at least as large as Repubs won in 1994?

[sexybomber]

34. Yeah, given the current trend and my eternal optimism

That's what I'm banking on. Not to mention I already bought a bottle of champagne for the occasion!

[Atlant]

40. Not here in New Hampshire. Howzabout near you?

They may not like Bush, but they still LOVE Republicans!

Atlant

[BurtWorm]

41. Well I live in NY, where Repubs have lost some lustre

even upstate.

[msmcghee]

33. That is why . .

. . the dem candidates should switch over to promoting the importance of congressional and senate positions that will be opening up.

They should say . . "everyone can see now that this is a corrupt liing administration that has really damaged this nation - domestically and internationally. So we have to be sure that dems get the congress and the seante in order to have a decent chance at correcting the damge."


That should be their focus from now on IMHO.

[jumptheshadow]

37. You're exactly right

Winning the White House is critical. But we also must focus on electing candiates to Congress.

I wonder where the Soros funding is going. Is it targeted to congressional races as well as the defeat of Bush? I'd love to see some of the big donors step up to support local candidates. It is so important for the new president to have a shot at working with Congress in order to undo the damage the radicals have wrought.

[Capn Sunshine]

20. Seeing how far we've come in two years

what makes you think there would BE an election in 2008 for your hoped for stragegy?

Or that the world as we know it would still exist?

Better wake up before it's too late. Bad enough we didn't all hit the streets in Nov 2000. But to hope for worse than what we have now because then everyone would see the merit of your position,that's just WACK.
:nuke:

[oasis]

21. Many that "register" at DU participate in polls, but are not DUers per se.

That's why when there's a poll that can be skewed by lurkers I always "check'in" when I vote.

[BurtWorm]

24. I appreciate that.

I'm aware the vote can be skewed. I was a little surprised by the number of heightened contradiction votes, but I'm aware that there may be a reason for it beyond its reflecting a proportionate amount of Trotskyists among the DU population as a whole.

[FubarFly]

22. Wishing for b*sh to what?

I wish a lot of things would happen to b*sh in 2004.

Retaining the Presidency isn't one of them.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

25. remember at the end of "Animal House" when the boy on the bed

gets a present crashing through his window???? :evilgrin: and he looks up and says: "Thank you God"....

[calimary]

43. I wouldn't wish that for bush either.

I wouldn't wish anything nice for him.

How about herpes? Unemployment? That he goes to the Carlyle board and his Reverse Midas Touch works its magic for them, too? Bankruptcy? Shunning and desolation at his shit-farm in Crawford? Pickles getting her own place? Criminal charges? A nice orange jumpsuit to model for awhile?

[Atlant]

50. Prison socks.

> A nice orange jumpsuit to model for awhile?

Ya think he'll be stuffing any socks down the front of those?

Atlant

[Lisa]

52. not after his first night in the general population, no ...

(I'm smiling a bit as I imagine what would happen to him ...)

[disgruntella]

23. Plenty.

They just don't see it that way.

[Cat Atomic]

27. How could anyone want Bush to win?

As alarmist as it sounds, there really will be thousands of lives riding on next year's presidential election. As much as I hate the "vote Democrat no matter what" sentiment, I'm going to have to adopt it next year.

Well... I won't vote Democrat if they nominate Sean Hannity as the candidate... but failing that... yeah. :P

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. If * Wins

I might give up on politics entirely....

I'll take us nuismatism or something...

[janekat]

32. Yes - the "diehard" members of the Nader cult

I'm not saying the "lukewarm" Nader supporters - but the brainwashed ones - who are practically cult members are.

What most of these people don't realize is that Nader is more sympatico with the Republicans than he is with the Dems. He's never been a Democrat - used to be a Goldwater Republican - and never joined the Green Party.

He met with Grover Norquist, Schlafly (sp?), took money from the Pubs.

If the Dems get into power - he no longer matters. He cannot stand being out of the spotlight. This may be sub-concious on his part - but if you look at his actions I'm afriad that's the only conclusion you can come to.

When my Dad (a vehement anti-union businessman AND Republican) started to smile when I brought up Nader in 2000 I knew something was up.

[Zero Gravitas]

53. Yes

because, after all, if there was no difference between Gore and Bush, there's no difference between Clark or Dean or Kerry or Hillary and Bush. SO why vote for one of them when you can vote for Nader and MAKE SURE * gets another term, but the Nader voter gets to think that he/she is righteous for not voting for either of "identical" candidates. :eyes:

I would hope that even Nader voters can now see that there is a world of difference between even the most mainstream DLC candidate (or even, dare I say it, a moderate old-style Republican) and the current Administration which is nothing short of a fatal threat to our civilization and way of life.

[Booberdawg]

35. Horrors! Not me!

[BurtWorm]

36. Methinks thou dost protest too much...

;)

[Booberdawg]

45. That's right we all have ulterior motives

and are 6 degrees removed from Rove.:tinfoilhat:

;)

[BurtWorm]

46. I wish I knew what my own goddamn ulterior motives were!

Life would be so much easier!

:crazy:

[Booberdawg]

48. Stick around someone will let you know

what you "should" think and what are your ulterior motives.

Do you eat puppies too??:tinfoilhat:

[BurtWorm]

51. Thanks! I forgot about how helpful DUers can be.

:hi:

[imax2268]

42. NEVER...

NEVER,NEVER,NEVER,NEVER...

did I mention NEVER...?

:wtf:

[Ripley]

44. deja vu.

and i don't like it..

[Sinistrous]

47. Damn. Now I will have to reveal my two dark hopes for 2004

First, I hope that there will BE an election for president, and

Second, I hope that the votes in that election will be honestly and accurately tallied.

At this point, neither is a sure thing.

[redwitch]

49. NOT ME!

I have two beautiful sons and I want them to live in a world where the people in charge have brains as well as real compassion and well, a clue.