So NOW the Little Turd from Crawford says: "No Iraq–9-11 Link."

[Octafish]

... publicly contradicting Sneering Dick Cheney. Of course, he also contradicted HIMSELF. Tell me I wasn't dreaming:

In speech after speech, George W Bush told the American people he wanted America to bust Saddam in the chops for what Saddam did in 9-11. (There's got to be a link to a story somewhere on this.) If so, my question to DUers:

Why hasn't the un-elected fraud RESIGNED? Why hasn't he been impeached? Or arrested for Treason?

Bonus question: Then what was the invasion FOR?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0309180313sep18,1,183481.story?coll=chi-news-hed

PS: Thanks for raising this BuzzFlash and TioDiego for directing me toward it.

[quinnox]

1. He said it before the war

Flat out, he admitted there was no evidence of a link. But it was virtually ignored by the media and went down the memory hole.

Bush never actually said that Saddam was behind 9-11, he just implied it by continually talking about the same subjects together.

[daveskilt]

4. texas chimp

With all of the attention slowly turning to the massive lies that led to the oil crusade in Iraq, Bush is covering his butt here. He is deflecting blame by saying that the 69% of Americans that believe that Saddam was behind 9/11 all thought it up themselves. All on their own. So really it isnt his fault we went to pseudo war - it is the fault of the people who all independantly came up with this crazy notion with no proof at all. In fact he and Dick and Don would far prefer to spread peace throughout the mideast by buying everyone there a puppy. but darn it all if we the american people didnt con HIM into going to war. Shame on us for tricking him

[Octafish]

14. Divide and conquer Mentality itself.

Blame the victim! It's America's fault if the People believe what Bushler has only intimated. That makes sense because the Bush Organized Crime Family is patterned after the Mafia business model and inspired and led by the NAZI mentality.

In your excellent example, that means "Divide and Conquer." Once a little bit of the truth/lie is believed by a fraction of the people, it will take a LOT of information to get that part of the people to understand what the reality of the dire situation is.

I especially like the blame part. All hail Bushler.

PS: A hearty welcome to DU, daveskilt! Thank you for an excellent first post!

[newyawker99]

15. Hi daveskilt!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Octafish]

5. It's like the Mafia.

On the FBI wire, the head cheese can be heard talking about everybody they're going to ice without ever having to say they're going to kill somebody:

"You know that thing we was talkin' about the udder day? Yeah. Dat one. The squeaky tire. Yeh, well, it's been fixed."

Later on, should the wise guy ever be indicted, when the Feds play the tape recording, it contains no usable dialogue that could determine culpability.

"We was talkin' about my El Dorado."

The Mafia really is the model for the Bush Organized Crime Family. One major difference is the degree of criminality. Ian Fleming never imagined such an organization would assume power over America. OTOH, Hitler did.

[RobertSeattle]

2. Even funnier

I was listening to a local Rightwing-Wackjob this morning on the radio accusing Bush of Lying in regards to this - meaning Bush is lying about no link when there is a link (according to wackjob). Bizarro.

Prior to yesterday the Administration storyline went like this:
"Let's talk about one plus one"
"Let's talk about the number three"
"Let's talk about one plus one"
"Let's talk about the number three"
"Let's talk about one plus one"
"Let's talk about the number three"

Now it it one plus one equal two.

The Rightwing talk show hosts are confused about what to mislead the public about now!

[Octafish]

7. Delusional World.

It must be hard being a member of the propaganda corps these days. Not only do they have to keep track of the Lie of the Day, they have to conform it with the overall Big Lie.

How confusing it must be for those with a brain that still has the ability to hold some of the old information. Too F-ing bad.

So, only by lying can one tell the truth. You see, Bush wants to protect America (at least those parts with an assessed net worth over $1 million) and so, on occassion, he HAS to lie. Otherwise the terrarists win. Confirm? Got it. I think.

So, what about 9-11? Cheney lied and Bush told the truth there, too? I REMEMBER Cheney threatened Congress for wanting to investigate. That's what some gangsters specialize in — extortion.

[NJCher]

3. the pRez tells the truth and it makes the front page

It was in a prime position on the front page of The NY Times.


Cher

[Octafish]

8. The scary thing is the little prick thinks he did something smart.

It figures. For what may be the first time in his public career, the unelected fraud tells the truth and it gets star treatment. All I can hope is he keeps telling it, especially after the indictments.

THE SCENE: A FEDERAL COURTHOUSE, JANUARY 22, 2005:

PROSECUTING ATTORNEY: "Knowing that terrorists planned to hijack United States passenger planes, why did you fail to notify US airlines, airports and the flying public?"

A VERY SCARED TURD: "Well. Yeah. I knew. Heh heh. But it's what Condi said why. We didn't think it would be traditional. It's not a tradition thing. A hijack thing. Heck. Of course we knew. We just didn't think they'd crash the planes. That wasn't part of the deal."

[samsingh]

6. all reasons for war were wrong

no WMD
no immediate threat to neighors or us
no link to Al Queda

Bushites created the conditions they lied about.

[Octafish]

11. Remember Rumsfeld stating "Target Iraq" the same day as 9-11?

On 9-11 itself, Rumsfeld washed his hands from helping out at the Pentagon crash site and began to state Iraq was the target.

Bush followed his lead with calls to Tony Blair. It was Blair, of all people, who calmed the chimp down to the point of redirecting the animus toward Al Quaeda and their hosts, the Taliban.

Of course, Bushler would go on to expand that bit to include Afghanistan and then, once he believed enough people were brainwashed, to Iraq. Next stop: Iran?

[Oracle]

12. But they got control of the OIL reserves...

and Halliburton is making billions of dollars and American soldiers are dying...so that's a victory in Bush, Nazi Rove, Cheney, Powell and Rumsfeld eyes.

[Bossy Monkey]

9. Big one was '02 SOTU

He didn't actually claim that Iraq was behind 9/11 then either. But claiming that Iran, Iraq, and North Korea constituted an axis of evil only 3 months after 9/11 pretty much represented an attempt to shift the country's anger to somebody Bushco could profitably go to war against. Here's something from the Beeb
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1796034.stm
in which North Korea accuses the Bush Administration of "moral leprosy"; hey! that's pretty good!

[Don_G]

10. Yep

In the SOTU address, he mentioned Al-Queda and Hussein in the same few paragraphs and flat out stated that a nation with WMD's could slip a few to Al-Queda to use.

The BBC played that part of the speech last night. He didn't say it directly but he said it in a way that only a lawyer could decipher.

[BarbaRosa]

13. Plausible deniability

damnit, there's that pesky little phrase again.

[Octafish]

16. EXACTLY.

The Bush Organized Crime Family operates like CIA covert operators. There ALWAYS has to be a way to be kept "Out of the Loop" or at least LOOK that way.

Remember Mark Lane's excellent book, "Plausible Denial"? In it the author describes his work as an attorney representing "Spotlight" the right-wing rag which was being sued for libel by E Howard Hunt. It seems Spotlight published an article that described Hunt as being in Dallas on 22 November 1963. Of course, Hunt couldn't provide an alibi for where he really was, so the case got tossed.

BTW: The bood detailed how George Herbert Walker Bush has never stated publicly his whereabouts on 22 November 1963. Rumored to be in Dallas, Poppy was named as a person who provided the FBI information on persons he suspected of being possible assassins. Why would he do that? Coming forward provides good cover and plausible deniability.

[oasis]

17. The Chimp was ready for the press and kept refering to his notes.

Rove wants to clear the slate for his second term run. David Gergen in polite terms explained that Bush's "straight talking image" is the best thing he has going for him and he has to head off any damage to his crediblity.

[Stephanie]

18. In speech after speech after speech

It's subliminable but effective.

Saddam/Al Queda, Saddam/Sept 11, Afghanistan/Iraq. Over and over. Guilt by proximity.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

October 7, 2002
President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat
Remarks by the President on Iraq
Cincinnati Museum Center - Cincinnati Union Terminal
Cincinnati, Ohio


We know that Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html

January 28, 2003
President Delivers "State of the Union"
The U.S. Capitol

With nuclear arms or a full arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, Saddam Hussein could resume his ambitions of conquest in the Middle East and create deadly havoc in that region. And this Congress and the America people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own.

Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known. We will do everything in our power to make sure that that day never comes. (Applause.)





http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/iraq/20030501-15.html

May 1, 2003
President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended
Remarks by the President from the USS Abraham Lincoln
At Sea Off the Coast of San Diego, California


The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men -- the shock troops of a hateful ideology -- gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the "beginning of the end of America." By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed. (Applause.)

<snip>

The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We've removed an ally of al Qaeda, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more. (Applause.)

In these 19 months that changed the world, our actions have been focused and deliberate and proportionate to the offense. We have not forgotten the victims of September the 11th -- the last phone calls, the cold murder of children, the searches in the rubble. With those attacks, the terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States. And war is what they got. (Applause.)


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030907-1.html

September 7, 2003
President Addresses the Nation
Address of the President to the Nation
The Cabinet Room

<snip>For a generation leading up to September the 11th, 2001, terrorists and their radical allies attacked innocent people in the Middle East and beyond, without facing a sustained and serious response. The terrorists became convinced that free nations were decadent and weak. And they grew bolder, believing that history was on their side. Since America put out the fires of September the 11th, and mourned our dead, and went to war, history has taken a different turn. We have carried the fight to the enemy. We are rolling back the terrorist threat to civilization, not on the fringes of its influence, but at the heart of its power.

This work continues. In Iraq, we are helping the long suffering people of that country to build a decent and democratic society at the center of the Middle East. Together we are transforming a place of torture chambers and mass graves into a nation of laws and free institutions. This undertaking is difficult and costly -- yet worthy of our country, and critical to our security.

The Middle East will either become a place of progress and peace, or it will be an exporter of violence and terror that takes more lives in America and in other free nations. The triumph of democracy and tolerance in Iraq, in Afghanistan and beyond would be a grave setback for international terrorism. The terrorists thrive on the support of tyrants and the resentments of oppressed peoples. When tyrants fall, and resentment gives way to hope, men and women in every culture reject the ideologies of terror, and turn to the pursuits of peace. Everywhere that freedom takes hold, terror will retreat.

[daveskilt]

19. its not technically lying

just like it wasnt technically lying when Clinton split hairs over semantics in the lewinsky thing. The difference is Clinton got impeached for technically not lying about something that had no effect whatsoever on the country, the economy or anyone else. Bush gets away with technically not quite lying about something that as a direct result cost the lives of hundreds of US and British citizens, and thousands of innocent Iraqi's not to mention the financial cost that presumably will be paid for with the increased tax revenue from the millions of new jobs created by the tax cut...uh.

I wonder if the moral outrage of the Right extends to deception over mass murder and economic suicide or if they are only interested in a common infidelity that is no ones business.

[daveskilt]

20. thanks for the warm welcome!

just happy to be here.

[Stephanie]

21. Right, that's the plausible deniability. But I see one outright lie

Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda.

[Sticky]

22. ....and I seem to remember it all beginning here:

Bush calls Saddam 'the guy who tried to kill my dad'

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/27/bush.war.talk/

Houston is the adopted hometown of the president's father, former President Bush, and in discussing the threat posed by Saddam, the current president offered his staple list of complaints about Iraq's defiance of the United Nations and his contention that Iraq is working aggressively on chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. "This is a man who continually lies," Bush said.

He said the Iraqi leader's "hatred" was largely directed at the United States and added: "After all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad."