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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:54 AM
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Why won't Dean, Clark, Kerry, et al, TELL THE TRUTH??
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 11:21 AM by Flying_Pig
> It is hard for me to believe, that Dean, Clark, Kerry, and the rest, don't know the truth about 9/11 (whatever that is, LIHOP/MIHOP), especially given their connections within military/intelligence/government sectors.

> They also, without a doubt, know BushCo lied about nearly everything concerning Iraq, and are responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians, hundreds of American troops, and the injuries to thousands more.

> They know BushCo is purposely emptying our Treasury, in an effort to realize their ideological dream of destroying all government social contracts and obligations, and in the process, hand their benefactors hundreds of billions of dollars in contracts, tax breaks and other assorted filthy lucre.

> They know about PNAC, and the evil things they are trying to do. Why aren't they talking about this group, and the people behind it?

So why don't they, and other credible political figures, either individually, or together, tell the truth about what BushCo is doing, instead of couching their accusations in campaign style rhetoric? Can't anyone of them stand up on national television, and actually say, "Mr. (p)resident, you lied to the American people. You sir, are a liar!"

Given the criminal, and insanely horrible things BushCo has done to this country, why must they couch everything with diplomatic niceties and verbal courtesies? Why can't they just tell the truth? Why can't they stand for America right goddamn now, and stop BushCo in their tracks?

I, for one, would have a lot more respect them if they threw down the gauntlet ...., and cut the crap. Our nation, and the world are at serious risk, right NOW! Waiting for the election to stop BushCo, represents a terrible, and unacceptable risk to the nation. Going public with the truth NOW, is our best bet to help the country save itself.

Thoughts??
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:56 AM
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1. You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!
Seriously, most people will not accept the truth, especially if it means that those in power are bad or evil or have done wrong.

People, for the most part, are sheep.

I use the Academy Awards as Exhibit A to back up my theory.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:11 PM
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25. Couldn't resist
No truth handler, you....

where did this one come from... :)
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:57 AM
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2. simple
If it was a conspiracy. THEY were in on it.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:29 AM
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10. I am not accusing any of them of "knowing", or being "in" on anything....
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 11:30 AM by Flying_Pig
I am talking about RIGHT NOW. Why won't they stand up and give the people the truth? I am not trying to impugn them, just sincerely curious as to why they aren't being more bold, given what is known.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:58 AM
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3. bob graham did
and he doesn't get much respect in terms of support for president in the primary .
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:49 AM
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19. Yes, Graham has been a true patriot. But even he has been, in
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 11:50 AM by Flying_Pig
my opinion, way too diplomatic about it. Why not call it like it is? L-I-E-S! Damned lies!
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:58 AM
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4. Whoa, an indictment of all the candidates!
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 10:58 AM by quinnox
That's a new one.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:32 AM
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12. See Post #10
n/t
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curlyred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:58 AM
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5. Dean?!?
Why would the former governor of Vermont know about LIHOP?
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disgruntella Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:02 AM
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9. Of course he knew!
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 11:03 AM by disgruntella
Read these articles:
http://www.pulledoutofmyass.com/
http://www.moldyhackjob.com/
http://www.conspiracies-r-us.com/

</sarcasm> -- it's just that these three sites get posted so often on DU, I thought I'd throw them in the mix again.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:35 AM
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13. Dean and Sharpton were/are probably in a position of knowing the
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 11:51 AM by Flying_Pig
least about these events, as far as "inside" information goes. And please, don't mistake what I wrote. I am not trying to insult or insinuate anything against any of the candidates. I'm just sincerely wondering why none of them, given what IS known, aren't standing up and speaking more forcefully "truth to the matter" now?
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:59 AM
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6. Thoughts
I think that function would be better served by Congress. Certainly, someone who holds no elected office at present (Dean, Clark, etc.) isn't really in a position to be trying to remove the squatter from the White House before the next election.

If your congresscritters have any decency at all, write to them (as I have done) and demand an investigation. Hearings would do a lot to put mud in the right places, imho. They might even turn up enough evidence to oust the blood-thirsty bastards before 2004.

Write to lots of congresscritters, not just your own. Good people in other states are struggling against the current to get something done!
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:47 AM
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16. Well, we've seen how willing the "pink-tutus" are to speak truth
to the matter. Fact is many of them (current congressional members, Republcian AND Democrat), were/are in on "it". But some of the candidates weren't.
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lindashaw Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:59 AM
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7. If you want to get elected, there are certain rules you don't break...
Sorry, but the process dictates just how much can be told and when. Else, the masses, who have the intelligence of a gnat sometimes, I swear, will tune you out. It's not that candidates are being shy, they know the rules and have to play by them. All in good time. Those things should come out in the press eventually, anyway. The tone is changing. People are slow.
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Red_Viking Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:02 AM
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8. My two cents...
Every Dem nominee is a strategist. Whether that means running a military operation, a state, a congressional seat, a business...all 10 of these people have been required to strategize to be where they are. They are ALL quite intelligent. They know that calling the administration out now, going at them with their guns blazing, would be a mistake. Don't show your hand too soon! Right now, the 10 Dems are focused on getting the nomination. NOW...once that process is over, I expect whoever does get the nod to do EXACTLY THE THINGS YOU DESCRIBED. If it's Clark, I'd love to see him show up to a debate in his uniform. You get the idea.

By throwing their hats in the ring, they ARE standing up for us. They're putting themselves on the line in the hope they CAN go to Washington and represent our interests. Call me naive, but IMHO, the 10 Dems in the hunt right now are doing their best to cut the crap. They want to get us back on the right track.

There will be a time for the truth. It's 2004.

:dem:
RV
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:57 AM
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20. Good explanation! Sometimes in my anger and fevor (I admit to
them), I tend, as many of us do, to overlook the obvious. I should know these things, being as old as I am, and having worked as many campaigns as I have. Still, the lies are so bad, so egregious, it is hard for my "logic receptors" to grasp anyone *not* screaming about them at the top of their lungs!

Having said that, the candidate that truly stands up to these bastards, and gives the American people the complete, and unvarnished truth, will have my everlasting gratitude, and probably my vote!
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:30 AM
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11. Because they are smarter than you
FWIW
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:01 PM
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21. Always one with the thoughtful words, eh SangO?
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 12:33 PM by Flying_Pig
bite it....
x(
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:41 PM
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27. I dont eat pork
but thanks for the offer.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 02:47 PM
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28. snark, snark, snark ...oink!
n/t
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dofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:40 AM
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14. Whatever the "truth"
is about 911, I fail to see why any of the candidates would know more than any of us here.

A couple of points: LIHOP or MIHOP assumes a level of competence for our government that I'm not sure I think exists. On the other hand, if either LIHOP or MIHOP is actually true, I contend that those who know the actual details of LIHOP or MIHOP are very few in number, are not about to let their information out, and definitely do not include any of the men mentioned above.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:05 PM
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22. I think Graham, Clark, Kerry, and Lieberman "know"...
n/t
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:42 AM
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15. They would be "Cynthia McKinneyized" if they did.
:hi:
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:49 AM
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18. that was exactly my first thought
And what she mentioned regarding follow the money trail is now showing up in the newspapers.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:47 AM
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17. Who will listen now?
The nominee needs to make the strongest case when the FOCUS of the Anerican people is on them and the media HAS to cover the charges. If they said it now, it would get lost.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:07 PM
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23. With the right proof, and presented the right way, I think the nation
would listen. Using their platform as candidates, they have the perfect perch from which to sing.....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:09 PM
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24. In the general elction spotlight, yes.
But 60% of Democrats don't even know who is running let alone the general public.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:38 PM
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26. 60% of those polled perhaps. We've seen for the last
two+ years, the validity (not!) of the polls. No one can make me believe that 60% of Dems don't know who their candidates are, especially chronically lying and manipulative pollsters! But then, ...that's another issue...
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