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peabody71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:35 PM
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Truthout.org: Wesley Clark-The New Anti-War Candidate?
Just food for thought.
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/091803A.shtml

Record Shows Clark Cheered Iraq War as "Right Call"
The possibility that former NATO supreme commander Wesley Clark might enter the race for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination has been the subject of furious speculation in the media. But while recent coverage of Clark often claims that he opposed the war with Iraq, the various opinions he has expressed on the issue suggest the media's "anti-war" label is inaccurate.

Many media accounts state that Clark, who led the 1999 NATO campaign against Yugoslavia, was outspoken in his opposition to the invasion of Iraq. The Boston Globe (9/14/03) noted that Clark is "a former NATO commander who also happens to have opposed the Iraq war." "Face it: The only anti-war candidate America is ever going to elect is one who is a four-star general," wrote Michael Wolff in New York magazine (9/22/03). Salon.com called Clark a "fervent critic of the war with Iraq" (9/5/03).

To some political reporters, Clark's supposed anti-war stance could spell trouble for some of the other candidates. According to Newsweek's Howard Fineman (9/8/03) Clark "is as anti-war as Dean," suggesting that the general would therefore be a "credible alternative" to a candidate whom "many Democrats" think "would lead to a disaster." A September 15 Associated Press report claimed that Clark "has been critical of the Iraq war and Bush's postwar efforts, positions that would put him alongside announced candidates Howard Dean, Sen. Bob Graham of Florida and Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio as the most vocal anti-war candidates." The Washington Post (9/11/03) reported that Clark and Dean "both opposed the war in Iraq, and both are generating excitement on the Internet and with grass-roots activists."

Hearing Clark talking to CNN's Paula Zahn (7/16/03), it would be understandable to think he was an opponent of the war. "From the beginning, I have had my doubts about this mission, Paula," he said. "And I have shared them previously on CNN." But a review of his statements before, during and after the war reveals that Clark has taken a range of positions-- from expressing doubts about diplomatic and military strategies early on, to celebrating the U.S. "victory" in a column declaring that George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair "should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt" (London Times, 4/10/03).

Months before the invasion, Clark's opinion piece in Time magazine (10/14/02) was aptly headlined "Let's Wait to Attack," a counter-argument to another piece headlined "No, Let's Not Waste Any Time." Before the war, Clark was concerned that the U.S. had an insufficient number of troops, a faulty battle strategy and a lack of international support.

As time wore on, Clark's reservations seemed to give way. Clark explained on CNN (1/21/03) that if he had been in charge, "I probably wouldn't have made the moves that got us to this point. But just assuming that we're here at this point, then I think that the president is going to have to move ahead, despite the fact that the allies have reservations." As he later elaborated (CNN, 2/5/03): "The credibility of the United States is on the line, and Saddam Hussein has these weapons and so, you know, we're going to go ahead and do this and the rest of the world's got to get with us.... The U.N. has got to come in and belly up to the bar on this. But the president of the United States has put his credibility on the line, too. And so this is the time that these nations around the world, and the United Nations, are going to have to look at this evidence and decide who they line up with."

On the question of Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction, Clark seemed remarkably confident of their existence. Clark told CNN's Miles O'Brien that Saddam Hussein "does have weapons of mass destruction." When O'Brien asked, "And you could say that categorically?" Clark was resolute: "Absolutely" (1/18/03). When CNN's Zahn (4/2/03) asked if he had any doubts about finding the weapons, Clark responded: "I think they will be found. There's so much intelligence on this."

After the fall of Baghdad, any remaining qualms Clark had about the wisdom of the war seemed to evaporate. "Liberation is at hand. Liberation-- the powerful balm that justifies painful sacrifice, erases lingering doubt and reinforces bold actions," Clark wrote in a London Times column (4/10/03). "Already the scent of victory is in the air." Though he had been critical of Pentagon tactics, Clark was exuberant about the results of "a lean plan, using only about a third of the ground combat power of the Gulf War. If the alternative to attacking in March with the equivalent of four divisions was to wait until late April to attack with five, they certainly made the right call."

Clark made bold predictions about the effect the war would have on the region: "Many Gulf states will hustle to praise their liberation from a sense of insecurity they were previously loath even to express. Egypt and Saudi Arabia will move slightly but perceptibly towards Western standards of human rights." George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair "should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt," Clark explained. "Their opponents, those who questioned the necessity or wisdom of the operation, are temporarily silent, but probably unconvinced." The way Clark speaks of the "opponents" having been silenced is instructive, since he presumably does not include himself-- obviously not "temporarily silent"-- in that category. Clark closed the piece with visions of victory celebrations here at home: "Let's have those parades on the Mall and down Constitution Avenue."

In another column the next day (London Times, 4/11/03), Clark summed up the lessons of the war this way: "The campaign in Iraq illustrates the continuing progress of military technology and tactics, but if there is a single overriding lesson it must be this: American military power, especially when buttressed by Britain's, is virtually unchallengeable today. Take us on? Don't try! And that's not hubris, it's just plain fact."

Another "plain fact" is this: While political reporters might welcome Clark's entry into the campaign, to label a candidate with such views "anti-war" is to render the term meaningless.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:37 PM
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1. This came originally from FAIR
truthout.com gives them credit.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:37 PM
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2. Leftover food, since it's been posted about 20 times
already. But thank you for your 'food.'
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:39 PM
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3. Try keeping up
with the rest of the class.
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peabody71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:41 PM
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4. I basically like Clark but not supporting him for now.
I feel it is extremely important that we fully scrutinize the new flavor of the day. That being Clark.
Something about a career military man that doesn't set well with me.
Sort of like a butcher needs to cut.
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:07 PM
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16. Bull, I was a house painter for several years
I can assure you, my neighbors houses have nothing to fear.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:41 PM
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5. is this true or not?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:48 PM
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6. I think Truth Out tries to be fair about things.
Will Pitt is part of it, and he is pretty level-headed.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:48 PM
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7. why on earth would anyone want another militarist in the WH...
...no matter what his views on democratic party issues? Generals, even clear-headed ex-generals, are career militarists. That's the absolute last thing I want running this country. Clark freaks me out, on a visceral level, almost as much as Bush* does. At this point, I'd vote for Lieberman before I'd vote for Clark, and I'd rather open a vein than vote for lieberman!
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:04 PM
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13. what is a militarist, a non-pacifist?
do you think he has some chip inplanted in him that makes him work for the CIA? Or is he going to lead a coup?

I'm not even happy at all with Clark, because of his campaigns bastard upstaging of Edwards. But he hasn't shown any sign of corruption

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:48 PM
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8. Thank you
I hadn't read it yet, and I appreciate the link.

Eloriel
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:01 PM
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11. Sure you haven't read it yet.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=352010#352154


You haven't read it yet, but here you are talking about how it 'matches your memory,' just yesterday. I realize you're one of the biggest Kool-aid swillers out there, but the least thing you can do is try to keep some sense of integrity. Slamming Clark at every turn on this message board isn't going to help Dean, especially when you have to lie to do it. For your sake, I hope you wake up and get some perspective.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:04 PM
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15. Billy, You Just Discredited Eloriel Completely and Unambiguously
For posterity, in case of edits:

Eloriel (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-18-03 10:48 AM
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8. Thank you

I hadn't read it yet, and I appreciate the link.

Eloriel


DTH
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:36 PM
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18. It looks like a case of confusion to me
she mentions FAIR , not Truthout. I didn't know it was the same article either.

The rest of your diatribe is, well, a diatribe. I hope you are this rough on the boys when you play with THEM.

"You take the incredible, and make it credible"
----The WORST campaign slogan in recent memory" Jon Stewart
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:41 PM
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20. It's a reprint of the exact same article.
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 01:42 PM by BillyBunter
Posted word for word. It's a lie, pure and simple, not a case of confusion.

How's that 600 million coming along?
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 02:04 PM
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21. How Chivalrous!
I hope you are this rough on the boys when you play with THEM.

Of course I am. See, I'm certainly not one of those odd fellows who thinks that women need to be protected in a debate. It's a very sexist notion, IMO.

DTH
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:28 PM
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17. Well? Come on.
It's one thing to be a liar; another thing to be a gutless liar. Either defend your lie or apologize for it; don't slouch off like you did the day I called you on your 'Howard Dean transcends policy' insanity.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 03:41 PM
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23. I Doubt She Will Answer You
It's quite transparent, though, both what she was trying to do and how badly you exposed her.

DTH
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:55 PM
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9. He has sanest position in my opinion
although he's not coming out and saying it, none of the candidates who have similar positions (Kerry, Edwards, Gephardt) are.

He thought that regime change would be the right thing to do if done properly.

But he thinks that Bush has not been effective in doing it the best way possible.

Although he realizes that to win the dem primary, he needs to get some of that anti-war dem vote.

Note he's never classified himself as an anti-war dem candidate, journalists have.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:59 PM
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10. REBUTTAL
I swear, I should set up a macro for the number of times this FAIR hack job has been posted, and reposted, and reposted, and reposted.

DTH

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Here is a Clark anti-war piece from OCTOBER 10, 2002:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/10/timep.iraq.viewpoints.tm/

Additionally, please look at the "FAIR" article. The title alone, claiming that Clark said the Iraq invasion was the "right call" is INCREDIBLY misleading. If you read the actual quote, Clark was NOT talking about the invasion, but rather the strategy & tactics point that based on the American dominance, waiting an additional month for reinforcements was not necessary. FAIR's argument is akin to saying that if you believe Rommel was a talented general, you are somehow supporting Nazi Germany.

I have many other cites. Please let me know if you need anything else.

DTH

"The highest calling of the armed forces is not to wage war, but to prevent war." -- General Wesley K. Clark
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:02 PM
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12. Just paper for the bottom of the bird cage
since this is yesterdays "news" Tripe yesterday, tripe today.
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:04 PM
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14. Bonus photo for the Wes Wing
Cool huh?
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:39 PM
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19. Is that a Clark bar in your pocket?


or are you just happy to see Eloriel
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 02:05 PM
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22. This makes me want to vote for him even MORE
When the ultra, out of touch left tries to bash him. It makes me (and many others) like Clark even more. Keep it up.
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