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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 05:34 PM Original message |
Those of us who are appalled by the tortures at Abu Ghraib, should read |
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bennywhale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. That is a ridiculous position to take |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 05:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I am not condemning the act but the failure to acknowledge it over a |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 05:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Here is a chance for the Bush administration to redeem itself in the eyes |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. Our 'credibility' is shot to hell |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 08:35 AM Response to Reply #31 |
59. 'our' M$MW's are all over it... DON'T PANIC! |
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bennywhale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Arab states |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. While we debate the fine points of whether our regime is more or less |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. No we can't say "war brings out the beasts in all of us" as an excuse... |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. havn't acknowledged what's happenening in Gitmo though |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 08:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
62. not to mention throughout all our prisons in ENEMY COUNTRY |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. Can I recommend joining Amnesty International? |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I am already a member.What I want to see is legal action in the U.S. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Would the victims have to be in the US for that to happen? |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I am not a lawyer but I think if these crimes are defined as human rights |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I think you're thinking of war crimes n/t |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. cool in that case lets also see |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:43 PM Original message |
First of all, these are not government related abuses.They are |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
14. Yes. That is the point but why confate two unrelated issues... |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Once again I need to remind you to read my post.I have stated that |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. You should wake up and face the fact that... |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. It is one thing to abuse women in your own societies from socially |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Tell that to the raped nannies of America and Strom Thurman's... |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
12. Are you truly under the impression that EVERY Arab man we have in custody |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Why are you putting words on my post that I did not say? I said I will be |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. but you would allow their torture to justify a remedy for the women who |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I have never said that the tortures at Abu Ghraib are justified. But |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
42. Sorry the men in Abu Ghirab aren't committing any acts of torture on women |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Wrong. All I have said is that I want the Arab societies to take steps |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. If that was "all" you said I would probable agree with you... |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. As I have stated before, I want the abuses and torture of these women |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. That they are the prototypes for the fascists future state media here. n/t |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 08:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Chronology? What are you talking about... |
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clem_c_rock (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 08:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Good point - and well said. |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Chronolgy FYI means which has been a longstanding problem and originated |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Well ain't that SPECIAL... n/t |
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clem_c_rock (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 08:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. it sounds like all your facts are coming straight from CNN and |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. That is simply insulting. I have read V.S. Naipaul's excellent work |
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clem_c_rock (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. You're not even addressing one thing I mentioned |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. That is exactly the opposite of what I am saying. I want Abu Ghraib to be |
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clem_c_rock (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 09:43 AM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Well - let's see here - US and British invasion and political meddling has |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 09:55 AM Response to Reply #45 |
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clem_c_rock (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 10:13 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. I'm not saying that - I'm saying when you're comparing the the death tolls |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. I don't know where you are from but I as a citizen of this country am |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. The racism is the one that causes Arabs to treat these defenseless |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. How many people are executed here in the US every year? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. But remember, we don't do it in the public square anymore!!!! |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 12:05 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. ah no that'd be misogyny not racism |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 06:00 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. All you have to do is to ask anyone from the Indian Subcontinent |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 08:25 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. You really need to ask why |
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clem_c_rock (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 08:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Then why are we not mentioning Falluja and the napalm |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
35. applause |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 12:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. not to mention that Iraqi prisoners are |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
46. Why confine it to the Middle East at all... |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
51. But not all Arabs and Muslims are committing human rights abuses |
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Catrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 12:52 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Because of Abu Ghraib |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 01:32 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Yeah I loved the "chronology" bit too |
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wellst0nev0ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
54. What A Stupid Fucking Post |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 07:54 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. It is easy to point out... |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
55. I don't understand |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 06:14 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. While we at DU rightly condemn our own administrations for their |
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bennywhale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 08:40 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I have sympathy with your point |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
64. Glass houses.... |
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