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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:17 PM
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3hr gun battle in ambush of US convoy, US troops withdrew, Iraqis dance in
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030918.wiraq0918/BNStory/International/

POSTED AT 4:28 PM EDT Thursday, Sep. 18, 2003

U.S. troops, Iraqis wounded in ambush

Khaldiyah, Iraq — Insurgents ambushed two U.S. military convoys with remote-controlled bombs and opened fire on one of them Thursday, unleashing a three-hour gunbattle in this dangerous city west of Baghdad. The U.S. military said two soldiers were wounded.

About 34 kilometres to the east, a nervous American patrol shot at a wedding party in Fallujah late Wednesday, killing a 14-year-old boy and wounding six other people after mistaking celebratory gunfire for an attack, witnesses said.

North of Baghdad, fire raged at an oil pipeline after an explosion at the site, the U.S. military said. Residents said it was the latest in a series of sabotage attacks.

As U.S. troops withdrew from the "Sunni Triangle" region at nightfall Thursday, Khaldiyah residents danced in the streets carrying a poster of Saddam Hussein in military fatigues. They fired Kalashnikov assault rifles in the air and chanted: "With our blood, with our souls, we sacrifice ourselves for you, Saddam."

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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:19 PM
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1. We need more international help.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:27 PM
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3. We need to get out.
nt.
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:29 PM
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4. Yeah, and let it get even worse.
With the terrorists looking like heroes.

Kucinich, Dean or GREEN. Right?

:eyes:
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:30 PM
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5. terrorists?
You mean muslims?
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:31 PM
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7. No, terrorists.
You know, the people killing soldiers and blowing up mosques. Those guys.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:38 PM
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14. If they kill soldiers than it's not terrorism.
nt
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:43 PM
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18. 2 + 2 = 5
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:48 PM
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21. you sure you are on the right website?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:50 PM
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:53 PM
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26. oh, you called me a name! i'm, like, so hurt!
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 05:54 PM by KG
fortunately, what conservatives think about KG is something i don't worry about. :)
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:03 PM
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36. as a patriot, the obvious solution is ...
to bring their asses home.

I have thought about this and if there were an invading army occupying my country, I would join a resistence. Wouldn't you?
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:07 PM
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39. Obvious solution?
Bring them home and then what?
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:22 PM
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129. cant bring em home
it sux, and we shouldnt have gone in the first place.

but....

we broke it, we gotta fix it.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:19 PM
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58. Excuse me
If you insult the Iraqi insurgents you are also insulting me. If my country were invaded by "well intentioned" foreigners to steal our resources and they occupied my country I WOULD FIGHT TO THE DEATH and do everything in my power including sabotage and guerilla warfare to get rid of them. Calling them names "terrorists" doesn't change the fact that they want the infidels out of their country.

Why is that so hard to understand? Huh? Why?

That is ALL these people are doing.

Unfortunately, our troops are there because George Fucking Bush is a goddamned idiot.

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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #58
62. Are you saying that those Iraqis who ambush US soldiers and
blow up mosques and UN headquarters are "freedom fighters"? I CERTAINLY hope not.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:27 PM
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69. how the f*** do you know it was even Iraqis,
I don't believe that for one minute!!!!!!!
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #69
75. More conspiracy theories?
:eyes:
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #75
78. prove it!!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:32 PM
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. no prove it was iraqis that blew up the
UN and the mosque
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. *Twilight Zone theme*
:eyes:
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #84
87. come on you can do better than that
just the facts, please
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #87
102. "come on you can do better than that"
I wouldn't bet on it.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #102
111. Actually, I'm Psychic
I see a tombstone in Centrist Democrat's future.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #111
117. Hope springs eternal
:)
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Trek234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #111
142. About time
I updated my ignore list days ago.

A lot of... well you know the word that goes after of, but it's not allowed to accuse... have managed to do bend things just enough to survive and still cause trouble. Sometimes though, like in this thread, they screw up badly.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #87
156. oh you won't get facts from CentristDemocrat
CD just calls posters names, then when confronted with facts to refute, simply TROLLS away or drops his/her standby (which probably accounts for 3/4 of his/her posts) "Kucinich, Dean, or Green".
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #156
157. It's true-CD only responds to attack
he hasn't posted anything of use. Has he started an interesting thread? Has he shown his knowledge of the issues? No. He is here as a troll and attack dog. Period.
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #156
160. Tombstoned
You won't get ANYTHING from CD anymore....tombstoned!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:27 PM
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70. DING DING DING
You win the prize. What would you call them, apart from disparaging names? What is a terrorist? Someone you don't LIKE?

Why wouldn't you fight for america if it were invaded and occupied? Are you afraid of being labeled a "terrorist" by republicans?

Are you a communist? Just asking
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. The fact that you compare the US to Iraq is idiotic.
We have a Saddam Hussein-like dictator running our country?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #72
79. damn close
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #79
81. Yes, I thought you'd say that.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #81
85. tell me centrist what are yur favorite qualities
of george w bush*
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #85
89. I dont have any
But that doesnt mean I have to sound off like some idiot saying these terrorists are "freedom fighters".
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:40 PM
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come on now you are not being honest with me,
fess up
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #79
93. Two words: FLAME BAIT.
NT!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #72
86. And I would fight to the death protecting Bush if we were invaded too...
...by another country. And any collaborators would be right at the top of my list to be eliminated first to discourage such behavior in the future. Wouldn't you do the same?

Don

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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #72
112. We invaded their country and they are fighting back.
They are guerillas, not terrorists.
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #72
154. Ummm....no
We have a Saddam Hussein-like dictator running our country?

We both have George Bush running our country. And fucking them both up.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #58
123. I can't believe that you are defending Iraqis
Are you an Iraqi sympathizer?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #123
144. ahhhh...to go through life with such a black and white outlook
if ignorance is bliss you must be almost as happy as Bush.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #22
68. Centrist, if Iraq invaded and was occupying us
Would you be out there shooting at them and sabotaging their efforts? I would, does that make me a terrorist?
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #68
74. We have a leader like Hussein? nope
We are a country like Iraq? Ruled by a despotic ruler?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #74
82. right again there centrist
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:42 PM
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uh yeah
yes we do, and despite the fake presidency of George Bush, I would defend this country against anyone trying to occupy us for our natural resources.
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:44 PM
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98. Still using "oil" as a crutch?
pretty weak
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #98
104. oh come on now, wolfowitz has even come
out and said it himself. OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #74
121. Uh - hate to break it to ya, but YES.
"Despotic ruler" is quite a good description of what's squatting in the White House, or rather, hiding from Isabel in Camp David.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #7
30. So, are you saying
that any American who killed an Iraqi soldier there is a terrorist too? Or does that only apply to Iraqis?

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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #30
43. So are you saying
That Iraqis who ambush US soldiers are freedom fighters?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #43
73. they are iraqis protecting their homeland, period!!!!!!!!!!
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #7
67. your confused they are Iraqi citizens
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #7
134. The people killing soldiers are people like us
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 10:42 PM by corarose
They are fighting for their life's and that is it. They can't even walk down the street without getting killed.
I am sick of the right wing spin bull shit.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:23 PM
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63. you mean Iraqi citizens
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:32 PM
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9. terrorists?
they are the citizens of an conquered county.
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:33 PM
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10. They ambush soldiers trying to establish order. They are TERRORISTS.
Get a clue.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:36 PM
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11. they are freedom fighters trying to expell a imperalist army
that has invaded their county to steal their resources and subvert their culture.

pull your head out.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:37 PM
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:13 PM
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He lives on the same planet
that I do, which obviously and thankfully, is not the same one you do.

Btw, what is w/the Kucinich, Dean or GREEN crap? You do realize this is the DemocraticUnderground, don't you?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:38 PM
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:41 PM
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16. really don't care what you think
:)
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Establish order by killing teenagers at weddings?
That, my friend, is terrorism.

What "they" are doing to "us" is the same thing we did to the british in 1776.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:42 PM
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:46 PM
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19. you are the one that would like to continue the killing in iraq
now that is a truly sick attitude.
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. You have a very naive attitude.
What exactly do you think would happen if we just up and left Iraq right now? A utopia would emerge?
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. US soldiers would stop getting killed.
and innocent iraqi civilians would stop getting killed by them.

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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. This would be viewed as a victory by OBL/al-qaeda
bigtime, and inturn, put the US in even more danger.
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. So how come
you don't haul your "Centrist" ass down to the recruiter and go over there and take care of Osama yourself??
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. Don't agree with the Iraq war
But now that we are there, it would be foolish to pull out. I also don't feel I have to "join the army" to take out Osama. It's the government's job to defend the country.
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #31
37. We are the government my friend
I've already done my bit but since withdrawal seems so bad to you, you go do yours. Or are you one of those "Let's you and him fight types"? We can't continue to do what you say has to be done without troops, so step up or shut up.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. wow, you got those RW talking points down pat!
get your blast fax right from karl roves office?

come on, you can be straight with me. you not really a democrat, are you?
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. Kucinich, Dean or GREEN. Right?
You don't think it would be foolish to totally pull out of Iraq right now? I believe we need more international help.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. you really don't have much to say, do you?
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 06:02 PM by KG
i mean besides slinging insults and parroting RW talking points.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #35
110. Yo! KG! Keep pushing the "centrists" buttons, it's a hoot.
"name deleted" all over the ballpark, sweet.

Nice work:evilgrin:
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #110
114. heh. most fun i've had in a while.
getting good at this. but conservatives are such easy marks. :hi:
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #114
115. having a good time my own self
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #114
120. also let it be known i never alerted him.
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 07:21 PM by KG
didn't consider the posts attacks. but they did reflect poorly on mr. centrist.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #120
122. Could smell him a mile away
I think he was Ergotron rising like a phoenix from beneath his tombstone.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #25
34. Hey pal
OBL isn't Iraqi. He probably isn't even alive.

I was gonna say that you don't sound very "centrist" but on the other hand you never did say the center of WHAT exactly. The mind simply reels at the possibilities......
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #25
38. Bush's unfettered militarism is what puts us in danger ...
and there is no other answer possible.

The international community has to come in and help establish order and a new government and that would go a long way toward fixing the problem but make no mistake about it, the problem was caused by and belongs to GW Bush.
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. I've already suggested internationalism and got slammed
By a bunch of bizarre extreme left whackos.
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #41
48. There's so many extremist whackos on DU it's unbelievable.
Trust me, I've been dealing with them for quite a while. Don't bother to debate them, like most right wing christians you'll never change their mind about anything. They are so far off from the rest of America it's unbelievable, they want another election that'll end up like us losing in 49 states with McGovern.

Don't take these people seriously, most of them are punk rock college students who dream of starting revolutions etc.
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. Couldn't agree more.
It's like talking to a brick wall.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #52
106. Are you two really just the same person
with different nics?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #106
113. yeah he likes to talk to himself
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:13 PM
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. Rush? how cute.
I don't believe in your out-of-touch ideaology and bizarre conspiracy theories so therefore I'm Rush?


Wake me up.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:38 PM
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:47 PM
Original message
that's 'Comrade Stalin' to you, capitalist running dog!
:)
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #41
51. Leaving the mess unattended would ...
be immoral, particularly since we are the ones who fucked it up to begin with. However, the blame for it ... all of it ... rests squarely on the shoulders of GW Bush although he is too irresponsible to accept the blame.

He should go to the UN and do what is necessary to get the world community onboard and if that entails Whitle-ass fellating Annan, then so be it.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #41
153. good job Rush
keep right up spouting those talking points.
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #25
60. So, you would rather
So, you would rather have more US soldiers jkilled and let more Iraqi civilians get murdered, just to keep al Qaeda from saying they won something???

THAT is sick. So what if they claim a victory? Who cares? Stop the killing and LET them have their little victory party.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #17
40. Hey, at least I'm not a baby killer.
and a chicken hawk. Do you really want to trade insults?

Here's one.

You, you are a bigot. Osama bin Laden has nothing to do with Iraq. Terrorists have nothing to do with Iraq. But here you are, claiming that the war in Iraq is about OBL and terrorism. Now why would you think something like that? hmmm.
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #40
45. al-qaeda is on the ground in Iraq right now.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #45
54. Didn't you get the WH memo?
It says...

"All that shit we made up about Al Qaeda in Iraq really is made up bullshit. So stop talking about it. Luckily, our retard supporters will still believe it, even when we deny it."

-D.C.
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. So OBL's audio tape calling on al-qaeda to fight in Iraq..
is fake? You think the UN bombing had nothing to do with al-qaeda? I have some beachfront property in New Mexico I'd like to sell you.


:eyes:
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. Yep, the tape was fake
It has already been claimed as such in the mainstream media. Where've you been?
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #61
66. I guessed I missed it.
That UN hit sure looked professional.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. It appears
by your posts, you've missed quite a bit.
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #71
77. I'd like a link actually.
Last I heard the CIA was saying the tape was "probably" Bin Laden.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #77
88. A videotape showing Osama bin Laden
and al-Qaeda's second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahri walking down a rocky slope is a cut-and-paste job with old footage, a top French terrorism expert said today.

"These images are probably old ... I've already seem them several times and some of them date back to before the American intervention in Tora Bora" in December 2001, said Roland Jacquard, head of the International Observatory on Terrorism.

"This is a good piece of editing that's been done," Jacquard concluded, noting it was doubtful that bin Laden would say nothing on the tape were it new, as he had not appeared in a video recording for months.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/12/1063268545636.html

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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #88
91. I'm talking about AUDIO
The audio piece where he calls on his network to make Iraq the central stage of the fight against America.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #91
101. Then why don't
YOU provide a link. Oh yeah, and the audio too.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:47 PM
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #77
92. the CIA! now there's a credible source!
:eyes:
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #61
116. the tape was a fake/compilation
but the sentiment expressed is not faked.

That internationals will serve to resist the occupation is not ludicrous.. even despite the fact that propagandistic liars will be the ones to claim this the loudest.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #57
64. The FBI doesn't know who did the UN bombing
They say the list of suspects is long, as does Bremer. Our handpicked boy Chalabi says he got advance warning of the attack from Saddam loyalists. So, you've got the inside scoop? Who's your MidEast contact? Bring him to DU, I'd like to talk to him.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #57
109. i think you took a wrong turn on your way
to free republic
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #57
119. there's evidence now of who was behind that?
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 07:19 PM by Aidoneus
last I checked (27min ago, FWIW, quite a bit when it happened and afterwards as well) it was still filed under a "it could be <fill in the blank>, or maybe it was <fill in the blank>, or <fill in the blank> would want to, or maybe <fill in the blank>, or perhaps <fill in the blank>, etc..

There's no shortage of accusations, every opportunistic "expert" rattling off their generic "Usual Suspects" shitlist of names. The zionists say it was Hajji Imad Mughniyah, Russians think it's Abu Walid & Shamil Basayev, American politicians say "al-Qai'dah" as if they know that that means, some say Mossad, CIA, Baathists, or the pro-Saddam/Iranian-exile Mujahideen-Khalq Organization, etc.. wide range of names and claims, sure, but I've yet to see a bit of proof to back up any of these theories as yet.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #45
96. really do they talk to you?
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #40
128. How dare you insult the troops
I really am sickened at how you dencounce all troops as baby killers. You make it sound like they take pleasure in what they have to do sometimes. I can't believe that you would insult the troops when they need our support.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #128
131. how dare you support terrorism
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 10:34 PM by Aidoneus
(maiden post of Operation Boomerang, subtitled "hurl the sleazy bullshit back at him in his own style")
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #131
133. I'm not the one who supports terrorsm
But the hatred shown to American troops here sickens me.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #133
138. Oh my
Your bullshit is sooooo tired.

"I'm angry."
"I'm sickened."
"I'm sad."
"I'm frowny."

Like a goddamn 8 year-old.

Define "hatred of Americans."
Define "support."

Do some thinking for a change, instead of your usual Ricki Lake confessional.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #138
143. Well
I think the anti-military sentiment here is offensive and disgusting.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #143
145. He said BESIDES your usual Ricki Lake confessional
not "do it some more".
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playahata1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #143
149. Again, Carlos....
Get thee to the nearest recruiting station, since you are so pro-military. Why not spill some of your own blood, instead of sitting back while those who have chosen to make such a sacrifice spill theirs in your name.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #143
159. Oh no they did-n!
Edited on Fri Sep-19-03 02:14 PM by markses
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #15
42. People like you are the demise of the Democratic Party.
.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. Are you responding to me?
Fill in the blank

Blank out of ten americans favor killing Iraqi teenagers at weddings.
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #47
56. Did you read the article?
Iraqi terrorists ambushed US soldiers with remote controlled bombs. Do you support that? The wedding in question had people firing automatic weapons into the air.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #56
94. the cubans in Miami Fire weapons into the air on New Years Eve
to celebrate. Hope the army doesn't get wind of that and kill half of Hialeah.
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #94
95. Wow, great comparison.
:eyes:
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #95
100. thank you, first smart thing you said since you got here
:hi:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #100
108. be gentle
CD has had a tough day here on DU.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #56
97. OH! OH! OH! I see know!
It's bad when they use remote controlled bombs. But when we use remote controlled bombs it is A-OK.

And good job of justifying the killing of a 14-year-old wedding goer. Bless you heart.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #56
99. The editor probably added that
before the final draft. That is what they are paid to do.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #56
107. Try reading the article yourself.
The word used was Insurgents - not Terrorists.

Stop wasting our time. Troll elsewhere. End transmission.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #42
126. I agree with you
That some DUers are defending Iraq sickens me. I never expted to see Iraqi sympathizers here.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #126
137. Defending Iraq?
I thought we were defending Iraq?

As for the Iraqi people, I certainly sympathize with them. They have been invaded by the strongets military force ever to roam the planet, and their lives - already made chaotic by a brutal despot - have turned into utter chaos and misery by the US/UK colonizing invasion force.

Are you telling me that you DON'T sympathize with THAT? Are you completely amoral?

And, if some of these people decide to attack any sign of the imperial army that has thrown their lives into further death and misery, I certainly don't applaud them, but I do underdstand them, and I certainly don't call them terrorists, since they are fighting against not only professional soldiers, but - by your accounts even - the most deadly and professional soldiers in the history of mankind!

Those who attacked the UN building are terrorists; those who attack US troops are soldiers.

Then again, by that standard, any US military personnel who ever attacked, purposefully, a non-military or auxiliary target is him or herself a terrorist, yes? If the weight is between the military and non-military, you have to hold the line as a real criterion, no?
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #126
141. how dare you have sympathy for a country invaded by neocons!
Hail Halliburton!

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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #15
136. OMG Thank you for your analysis
The Americans are coming!
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knowledgeispower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #10
33. So were the Minute Men terrorists?
That is just a stupid thing to say. And no, I am not equating the Iraqi insurgents (a much better word) to those who fought for America's independence. I am simply pointing out that who is the "terrorist" is all a matter of perspective.
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #33
49. Partisans
Insurgents are generally considered as those rising up against their own established government. Partisans, like the French in WW2, fight against the occupiers and their puppet government.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #10
76. give me a fuckin break, they are trying to establish order
that is the biggest joke i have heard all day!! they are trying to distract them while this admin steals iraqi oil!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #10
135. The American soldiers are the foreign invaders to be defeated!
US invaded Iraq in the same way Hitler's armies invaded Poland, and Hirohito's invaded China, or for that matter Hussein's invasion of Kuwait.

It is a raw deal for the GIs to be sure, but no amount of flag waiving or of singing "Gawd Bless America" can alter the fact that the people of Iraq have the God-given right, and duty to fight off the foreign oppressor by whatever means necessary.

The people of Iraq are waging a war of national liberation and as such, they deserve the support of all anti-imperialist peoples throughout the world.

For America's part, our only duty is to bring about the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of all US troops and personnel out of Iraq.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #10
158. sooo.................
the antinazi freedom fighters of ww2 were terrorist? back to the shadowswith yea!
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #4
155. there it is!
I've been waiting for it all day, CentristDemocrat! Your trump card! No need to argue or use reason when you can merely say "Kucinich, Dean, or Green"? But for your, I prefer "Neither Centrist, nor Democrat, but mean".
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. the clue phone is ringing off the hook. time to leave
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #1
23. Sie haben eine falsche URL erreicht.
:eyes:
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
27. so the resistance can have different flags to shoot at instead?
We need to end the occupation, not change the superficial nature of it.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:24 PM
Response to Original message
2. Man, Iraq and Afghanistan
we must have taken out 100 wedding parties.

Good thing our patrols don't stumble onto the honeymoons.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. my heart goes out...
.....to the families of soldiers over there. How afraid they must be, hearing this. And good lord, we shot up another wedding party? When will this end?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #8
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. Wrong
I'm just not as ridiculously left as most on this board.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #46
118. Hmm
No, you are just insanely to the right of most rational humans. You must be a masochist to spend so much time around people you find so repulsive.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #44
55. that is a violation of ...
forum rules.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. Oh good. Let's encourage them
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #55
65. There's quite a bit of that on this thread
and much of it from people who have been around long enough to know better.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #65
103. Any you were all for invading Iraq. Were you not? n/t
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:14 PM
Response to Original message
124. I really can't believe this thread
I mean, there are actually people who are Iraqi Sypathizers posting on this thread. Centrist Democrat is being personally attacked and that is wrong. I really never thought that I would see some DUers supporting the enemies against the US. It is as if that some DUers want the US to lose this war and for the troops to suffer.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #124
125. Read it closer, Carlos
Most people here support the troops-and most people on DU support the troops.

Centrist Democrat is neither Centrist nor a Democrat. He offers only talking points and nothing to back up his assertions.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #125
127. From reading this thread I am inclined to think otherwise
nt
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #127
147. I'm speechless.
Because I don't consider the Iraqis who are killing American soldiers as "freedom fighters" I am therefore a Freeper plant?? Give me a fucking break.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #147
148. You only EVER Attack Other DUers for their beliefs,
parrot talking points, and never provide evidence to back up your assertions.

I don't consider the Iraqis freedom fighters either, but their reactions are typical of a conquered vanquished people. I have a nephew in Iraq and our family is very worried.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #147
152. that's not the only reason you're a Freeper plant
you continually attack other DUers with insults, and you never give any info to back them up. You insult other's views in a very condescending manner, and then refuse to answer people when they raise valid concerns, like a true TROLL.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #124
130. believe it or don't
Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 10:29 PM by Aidoneus
whatever makes you feel superior, that's what you will just believe anyway, so whatever you say..god forbid somebody has a real discussion involving you that goes beyond shallow soundbytes. :eyes:
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #130
139. carlos is outraged?
yawn :boring:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #139
146. Hard to believe isn't it?
I mean,that only happens what...every single thread he posts on?
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #130
140. Oh, but that makes me angry
It really does. How dare anybody make me angry! What about my feelings?

;-)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #140
150. Every time he says that
I picture Marvin Martian..."very angry indeed!"
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #124
132. I admit it; I sympathize with the Iraqi people.
We invaded their country; killing thousands of their citizens. I will not support a war that was entered into under false pretenses and that threatens the security of the United States. No one here wants our brothers and sisters to die in a foreign land, but what people are saying is what did you expect to happen?

Wouldn't we do EXACTLY the same thing if a foreign occupier took over the United States? Would we be called "Bush loyalists" or just plain old Americans? It's called nationalism and runs no less deeply in Iraq than it does here.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 02:12 PM
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161. Just give 'em the palm...cuz you're Da Bomb, girlfriend!
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Bush sucks Dick Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 01:41 PM
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151. I'm a veteran
and I support our troops by enthusiastically encouraging they be sent home. Tomorrow would be soon enough. We may have broken it but we're incapable of fixing it. Maybe we better just pay for it and let the Iraqis fix it themselves. They're better qualified to know how they want it after our sorry ass is out of there. If some nation invaded the U.S. I sure would be killing as many of those suckers as I could. I would call myself a resistance fighter. I'd feel that way even with whistle ass as President.
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