What is Clark's view on the PNAC?

[Cascadian]

I certainly would love to know. After hearing and reading what I have tonight, I am assuming he supports this. I am still reeling from Clinton's statement that he supported Bush's invasion of Iraq. Lieberman, Kerry, Edwards. All of them supported this thing. Makes me wonder if PNAC is not just an exclusively Republican plan.


John

[MIMStigator]

1. They supported it based on lies. Remember that.

Hell I half supported it but thought inspections ought to continue longer. So did all of the above no?

[LunaC]

4. That's no excuse!

If WE could figure out that the rush to war was bogus, why couldn't THEY? I can't trust anyone wanting to be our next Leader who could be so easily duped.

[Cascadian]

5. And what will stop them from doing it again?

They keep freakin' waffling and waffling. Why? Please tell me why can't they show some balls and commit to their principles? I am certain that if Patriot Act II is up for a vote in Congress, they will vote for it. The same for an invasion on another country.


John

[DuctapeFatwa]

2. The basic elements are bipartisan, and go back decades

Putting a Democratic face on it will more than placate that segment of the voting class that is displeased with the bush regime.

[knight_of_the_star]

3. Probably fairly predictable

Based on what he has said and all his stances, he probably would not like that kind of stuff. As far as I know, the PNAC doesn't have any military officers in it, ignoring Ollie North.

[Pastiche423]

6. Well...

He has said he likes some of the PNACers and would like to work w/them again.

:shrug:

[Cascadian]

8. This is what troubles me.

And I cannot believe all these people following this guy blindly. I cannot even believe Randi Rhodes is just falling all over this guy like he was some sex symbol. We need to look deeper into Clark and what he is about.

John

[Cocoa]

7. Clinton enacted a PNAC recommendation

the Iraqi Liberation act of 1998.

It's possible to support some of what PNAC says to different extents. Powell for example is known to scoff at "the intellectuals", but I think he might agree with some of the overall philosphy.

edit: leads me to wonder, what do Powell and Clark think of each other?

[Cascadian]

10. The PNAC is neo-colonialism. Plain and simple!

It just burns me that the country that was created against imperialism and colonialism has for the fourth time in it's history is back in the business of setting up colonies or puppet states for it's own wealth.

America's Westward Expansion (Counting the Indian and Mexican Wars)
Spanish-American War
Annexation of Hawaii
Now Afghanistan and Iraq in this "War" on Terror.








And it may blow up in our face one day.

John

[Julien Sorel]

9. PNAC is unilateralism; Clark is for multi-lateralism.

The two are not compatible. Here is what he said about the Iraq situation:

It would be far better to recognize, as many are belatedly doing, that victory in Iraq will come not from fighting alone but rather from what happens afterward. And for this we must gather legitimacy from institutions such as the United Nations and NATO. We will need a substantial international military presence there for years. We need resources to rebuild the state structures of Iraq with new faces and skills. And we must exercise the patience to allow democracy to emerge slowly. Above all, we must not use our presence in Iraq as a launching pad for self-glorification, imperial pretenses or further expeditions but as an opportunity to strengthen the international institutions that we have spent more than 50 years developing and nourishing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A8221-2003Mar21¬Found=true


Clark is not a PNACer, unless he's a 'plant,' patiently waiting for his opportunity to wreak warmongering havoc on an unsuspecting country, as has been suggested here many, many times. Much like this question has been answered many, many times.

[LunaC]

11. Thanks for the link

I missed that one and appreciate that you clarified Clark's position being directly opposed to that of the PNAC.

[QC]

12. I have it on good authority that Clark and Wolfowitz once

drank a toast of unbaptized Christian baby blood to the success of PNAC!

[OneBlueSky]

13. in his own words . . .

"But the operation in Iraq will also serve as a launching pad for further diplomatic overtures, pressures and even military actions against others in the region who have supported terrorism and garnered weapons of mass destruction. Don’t look for stability as a Western goal. Governments in Syria and Iran will be put on notice — indeed, may have been already — that they are “next” if they fail to comply with Washington’s concerns."

sounds pretty much like the PNAC ideology and the Bush Doctrine, almost verbatim . . . "they are 'next' if they fail to comply with Washington's concerns" sounds pretty overbearing, don't you think? . . .

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0917-14.htm

[Julien Sorel]

14. Great work!

Now show me where Clark says he agrees with this policy.