How Many Folks Know A Conservative Who Is PISSED that * LIED - WMD

[bpilgrim]

Poll question: How Many Folks Know A Conservative Who Is PISSED that * LIED - WMD

or anything else for that matter...

let's make a list, and use them as our talking points. whatever is pissing off conservatives needs to get TRUMPETED loud and clear REPEATEDLY.

I bring this up because i just had an awesome suprise when i bumped into one of my neighbors who i haven't really spoken too in a good while - he supported bush AND the war - and he was PISSED.

he said 'you don't LIE to me about WAR', 'it's all about OIL', 'they think we are FOOLS'

he wants to get together and try to get something started in our neighborhood to pass the word :wow:

it was great. i told him that i knew real conservatives were not like those shouting heads in the lame stream media and at the end of the day we are ALL americans and we draw the line when it comes to our liberties and he agreed enthusiastically as i KNOW any TRUE american would.

anyways...

lets see how prevelant this 'meme' is and work to keep the preasure on :hi:

peace

[Skittles]

1. some of the repugs I know

think we already FOUND them. x(

[bpilgrim]

7. D'oh!

and they probably think you are a 'conspiracy theorist' or you just 'HATE' bush - which is KILLER since there is a LOT of truth there thats for sure but i always like to follow that up with i don't have MUCH sympathy for CRIMMINALS neither ;->

it's gotta be tough chatting with them...

:hi:

peace

[Skittles]

55. I'm beyond chatting with them

I torment them.

[_NorCal_D_]

80. Yes, same for me.

They are such simple minded fools. They could actually care less why we went for war.
:mad:

[ComerPerro]

2. I know several conservatives, but none who are pissed

They are in two camps.

Some will not admidt that he lied. They think the media is setting him up.

Others think and know he lied, but they don't care. Apparently only lying about blowjobs is wrong.

[bpilgrim]

9. dwell i am sure thre are some who certainly buy into the whole PNAC agenda

BUT if we can get them CLINTON REPUBLICANS - i knew a few of those, too ;-> - they ain't got a prayer cept DIEBOL :argh:

:hi:

peace

[ComerPerro]

14. Lets hope so

But the problem is, I know a lot of conservatives that figure, "We are the superpower, why not spread our influence".
Of course, they are too fucking stupid to realize that 9/11 really helped promote the PNAC agenda.

[bpilgrim]

21. I like to compare our current behavior to IMPERIAL JAPAN - pre wwII

(american time)

it isn't as quickly dismissed as it is if you bring up nazi germany - rightly so if you are talking about the later years of wwII, but not if you are talking about hitlers SPRINGTIME - AND it has many scary paralles to their behavior in aisa at the time - they even used the term ILLEGAL COMBATANTS - and everyone gets how 'evil' 'THEY' were.

well, that our stalinist russia :evilgrin:

peace

[Cloud]

24. I don't know

I know a few conservatives but I never talk to them about Iraq. The only ones I can think of are my friends from Iraq. They all say Dubya's case for war was bullshit. It is all about the oil. They are conservative muslims. Does that count?

[bpilgrim]

36. can they vote?

then they count :bounce:

peace

[AntiCoup2K4]

34. Yeah, no shit!

Some of these right wing morons could care less that the Bush Criminal Empire have been fianancing some of the vilest, most evil shitheads in history for three generations, as long as Junior "loves his wife" and doesn't cheat on her like that damn klinton :eyes:

[Pale_Rider]

3. I know of one guy that voted for Bush ...

... and now has decided to re-register as an Independent. He rants and raves about the Republican cabal and torments the other Repugs at work.

[bpilgrim]

11. NICE! the more well KNOWN conservatives we get speaking out the better

even if it just in the work group... shoot that is where MOST FOLKS are at anyways :evilgrin:

peace

[SammyWinstonJack]

77. Know of a married couple that voted for Whistle ass

both for Gov. and Pres. They hated him before he invaded Iraq, in fact that is the reason they hate him and will not be voting for him in '04. They are re-registering as Dems and are supporting Gephardt. :bounce:

[uberotto]

4. Guy who works with me is a...

Die hard Republican, hates anything Clinton, loves Rush Limbaugh and he has a PhD in Mathmatics ( one of the few intelligent Republicans that I know ). The company I work for does a lot of government and defense contracts and a couple of days ago we found out that the program that we are working on is getting it's 2004 budget cut by 60%. Also found out that several other defense contracts at this company are getting their 2004 funding cut. Why, because (as my die hard Republican friend said) "that f*cking moron in the White House is taking 87 Billion from worthwile defense programs and wasting it on a pointless war in Iraq". He also commented on how the Iraq war is and always has been about nothing but oil.

Don't get me wrong, this guy would never vote anything but Republican, but it does give me some joy knowing that, even though he will vote for bush in the next election, he won't like doing it.

[bpilgrim]

13. shame his PARTY - read NEO-CONS - won't even give'em a CHOICE

unless it's the TERMINATOR - lol rove must be PANICING :bounce:

peace

[Demboy04]

26. no offense but your friend is a dumbass, he cant be smart if he loves rush

can he mathematically justify how our economy, even though it's in recovery, got into the shitter with the aid of a republican president? can he mathematically justify all those COOL lost jobs, our KICKASS budget deficits or all those firefighters and police officers who are getting pay cuts and benefit losses? if you're republican, you're just stupid....Im sorry...but if you SERIOUSLY want 4 more years of dubya running things, there is no other word to describe such a political affiliation, and your friend should realize that bush isnt the only moron in the white house.....he forgot his advisors....he forgot mr. undisclosed location, dickhead cheney, and he unfortunately forgot his entire cabinet

[bpilgrim]

5. even the conservative Doug Stephan is callin for REVOLTION - ieamerica

i am listening to todays repeat - http://ieamerica.com - of his radio program which i catch now and then since i found them about a year 1/2 ago... he would tend to give knee jerk defense not only for this admin - at least the benifit of the doubt - and other FUCKED UP - missinformed - 'ideology' but now he is goin OFF about the FEDS stepp'n into the canadian drug SCANDLE - they won't let AMERICANS buy'em :wow:

another good 'talking point' :evilgrin:

btw: what dem leaders/canidaites are FIGHTING against this?


:hi:

peace

[bpilgrim]

23. WOW! Now they are even bringing up BBV and even the 'young buck' RICH

is upset :wow:

peace

[bpilgrim]

43. says he feels guilty because he likes what DEAN is saying - wow!

:wow: go DEAN :toast:

peace

[dobak]

6. oh yeah....

My multi-million dollar father-in-law just announced a couple of nights ago:

"If the Democrats put up a decent candidate, he will not vote for the current "Idiot" that is in office"

( He has voted Republican for Pres for the last 4 elections)

I took that as a challenge and printed out some info on Dean and Clark (both reasonably moderate and likely to appeal to a digruntled Republican).

Anyway, he seems to really like Clark and even said he might send him money. He never sends money to candidates!!!

I am shocked.

(edit for crappy spelling) :-)

[bpilgrim]

15. that is EXACTLY why i think clark has shown up and is backed by the DLC

they believe that clark will get all them 'clinton republicans'... and they may be right but i hope not.

we all know that is exactly NOT the face we want to show to the world if we truely hope to FIX the great many things that are now currently WORNG with our nation ESPECIALLY since the neo-cons stole the 'SHOW' (the tipping point :shrug: )

ABB is gonna be a VERY POWERFUL varible in this HIGH STAKES 'race'

:hi:

peace

[Demboy04]

31. kerry's better than both of them

honestly, how can you say clark even looks like a good candidate right now, he has no stances on the issues, and all he is right now is good PR, make sure your dad doesnt waste his money

[kayleybeth]

8. I talked to a friend of mine the other night

who happens to be a conservative Christian and was an enthusiastic shrub supporter. I had not talked to him in over a year and was not about to bring up politics because I know we disagree on almost everything political. Anyway, he brought up Iraq and then said "I can't believe that LUNKHEAD got us into this". He also said he was considering voting Democratic for the first time in his life. When I told him how surprised I was, he said just about every conservative he knew was feeling the same way. He thinks shrub got us in way over our heads. Also was pissed that no WMDs have turned up, no link to 9/11, etc.

I dutifully gave him info on PNAC, which of course, he had never heard of.

[dobak]

10. ok

I am still rather new here:

What is PNAC and BFEE????

[kayleybeth]

12. No problem

BFEE= Bush Family Evil Empire

PNAC= Project for a New American Century see: http://www.newamericancentury.org
also: http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html

[dobak]

18. ok

I guess I knew about PNAC, just did not know it by its acronym

[proud patriot]

53. Welcome Underground

:hi:

[Mel]

17. here's a couple links

to get you started
PNAC
project for a new american century<-------my boo I put plan for a new American Century anyway you'll get it once you read the info.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=110&topic_id=80



BFEE
Bush Family Evil Empire

[calimary]

71. Welcome to DU!

Great to have you join us!

[bpilgrim]

25. great story! sounds very simular to mine... we gotta make sure we speak

with our conservative friends more often, eh ;-)

:hi:

peace

[juajen]

16. I have six siblings

Five of them are ex-military and men. One is ex-missionary and is a woman. One brother is a liberal as I am; all four of the others are conservative; sister is also a conservative. They thought * could do no wrong. Two of my brothers were very connected in the military and did some pretty interesting things (can't say or I could be killed). Interestingly enough, the career militarists now say different things about *. Older brother says "he lies everytime he opens his mouth, I would vote Clinton back in if I could". The other one says " * screwed the military and deserves to be sacked". This is the first time that the "against *" group has been in the majority. My older brother is ex-NASA and ex-everything else, who had top security clearance; my younger brother was with the Pentagon for about 15 years. Very interesting that they are now against Bush.

[Erika]

19. Why Isn't Bush Impeached?

Clinton lied about a private sexual matter. Bush lied about National Security matters. Bush need to be impeached! NOW!!!

[ComerPerro]

22. You know the answer

I will give you a hint. Starts with Nine, ends with Eleven.

[Demboy04]

29. welcome to republican hypocrisy

population- majority

goddam republicans......

[bpilgrim]

38. actually that is the corporate/neo-con SPIN we are by FAR the MAJORITY

and if we get the CONSERVATIVES - not the IDEALOUGES - think jeffords, screaming and holerin as well we might actually move mountains :bounce:

:hi:

peace

[calimary]

70. Welcome to DU!

We certainly agree.

[Hamlette]

27. your siblings sound like my Dad

he was military and republican turned against Reagan over a similar issue (when they started talking about how we could fight a "limited nuclear war". It drove him nuts. He thought they were like boys playing with toys with no idea what war was about and they were going to blow up the world.) The good news is he never went back. Got more and more liberal as he got older.

[bpilgrim]

33. excellent! i KNEW our real patriots would be the FIRST to wake up

by real patriots i mean the folks serving in the armed forces AND our police.

sure some of them are gonna go along but i know in my heart that as more folks learn the truth they will be defeated.

if clark gets the nod he WILL win... as loong as the left/dems don't fall apart which is a real risk since many aren't really in the mood for a general on our side i suspect but he is NOT the ONLY one who can SPANK SHRUB contrary to conventional wisdom.

the more i learn about clark the more i learn about establishment connections and i don't like it.

well, it's certain to add up to a VERY BUMPY campain season... i hope we win in the end because there is too much at stake - as we all know - and we may never get another chance since there won't be nothing left that they haven't gotton away with by then and they will be secure in the knowledge that NOTHING - apparently - EFFECTIVELY, can stand in their - the establishment read neo-cons/neo-libs - 'WAY'.

peace

[Lady President]

20. My father

My father is in his late 60s, and has never voted anything except the Rep. party line, is disgusted with Bush. I think there could be a significant number of older Rep. that may vote Dem. depending on the candidate. Many, like my father, do not like the 'neo-conservative' movement and want a return to intelligent statesmen running the country. He served in the military and would most likely vote for Clark or Kerry over Bush*. (I can't express in words how amazing it is to think he wouldn't vote Rep.)

[wuushew]

28. So who the last good Republican president? Gerald Ford?

The current generation of evil started with with Raygun , who for unknown reasons conservatives worship. I really don't understand why people can't see that. Same tax cut policies, same huge debts, same build up in military strenght and same defunding of social programs. 1980 is when Amerika went terminal.

[Demboy04]

30. dont forget that

reagan unfortunately continued the hallmark of republican economic idiocy, the whole trickle down economic thing, o yea tax cuts work......sure......yea look around today and see how much those goddam tax cuts work.....especially when they go to the RIGHT people......wait on second thought.......

[bpilgrim]

35. actually it started once we realized we had wwII in hand and that we would

come out not only victories but ON TOP of the world.

i would say that it really got out of hand when they - the establishment - took out kenedy when he shut down their first attemp at TERRORISM on the 'home front' - operation northwoods - dems went along when it was abroad but kennedy was strong enough to say no at home... well they couldn't stand for that.

NIXON was our first hint of what the establishment had in mind for us i would say, regan was just a much better 'showmen' and they have only got more brazen since :scared:

peace

[disgruntella]

32. Yep, my dad too

Unfortunately with my dad, he is so disgusted that it seems he might not bother to vote at all. I don't know which of the current Dem candidates he might support. I will work on him when the time is right }(

[bpilgrim]

39. he probably like clark but show'm DEAN first ;-) - n/t

:hi:

peace

[janekat]

37. My Dad thinks he's a dumbass BUT would never consider

voting non-Republican. The only way he would ever vote non-Republcian is if he lost every penny he had because of Bushs' policies.

Ironically, the one person he MOST hated, (as a businessman) Ralph Nader - he now doesn't mind. He credits him with Bush winning and was pleased when Nader got into the race.

[bpilgrim]

40. he might like clark?

but show him DEAN first ;-)

peace

[AntiCoup2K4]

41. I've mentioned this before, but.....

Dipshit's Republican support is splintering. The Buchanan - libertarian wing of the party cannot support the PNAC agenda. The fiscal conservatives cannot overlook a deficit that's approaching half a trillion dollars. And even the Unchristian Coalition types are pissed off that the 2 of the BCE's 5 justices on the Supreme Court (the same ones who installed Junior as pResident) ruled against Texas' sodomy laws.

The moron lost the last election by about 539,000 votes. If he loses even 1% of his core support, he is fucked, and even the Diebold frauds will be questioned. Whether it will be possible to defeat the regime at that point remains to be seen, but the Moron in thief is in deep deep shit and PNAC knows it.

[bpilgrim]

42. excellent points

that's how it's startin to look from here as well dean, kerry, clark they certainly must be concerned about but i honestly think if kucinich could be heard unfiltered he could actually bring about a 'revolution' in politics.

but i admit i am certainly in the ABB camp at the end of the day

:hi:

peace

[MrPrax]

44. So your Organizing Republicans?

"it was great. i told him that i knew real conservatives were not like those shouting heads in the lame stream media and at the end of the day we are ALL americans"

What's a real conservative?

Funny that Unity works...

I have a dream....

Archibald Carey's Speech
Republican National Convention, 1952

We, Negro Americans, sing with all
loyal Americans:
My country 'tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died,
Land of the Pilgrims' pride
From every mountainside
Let freedom ring!
That's exactly what we mean--
from every mountain side,
let freedom ring.
Not only from the Green Mountains
and White Mountains of Vermont
and New Hampshire;
not only from the Catskills
of New York;
but from the Ozarks
in Arkansas,
from the Stone Mountain
in Georgia,
from the Blue Ridge Mountains
of Virginia
--let it ring not only for the minorities
of the United States, but for the disinherited
of all the earth--may the Republican
Party, under God, from every mountainside,
LET FREEDOM RING!


http://chem-gharbison.unl.edu/mlk/whose_dream.html

[bpilgrim]

46. more like americans

a 'true' conservative puts america FIRST and hates to be lied to by their gov in fact they are often distrustful of the fed.

I think the USA Patriot Act can help unite us to defeat the neo-cons - false conservatives, true plutocrats

:hi:

peace

[proud patriot]

54. Patriots Unite

Defeat bush

[bpilgrim]

65. zactly - I AM WE!

:bounce:

peace

[Tigerlily]

45. I know several who are pissed.

And one former ultra-Conservative I know is now reading "The Nation". :)

[bpilgrim]

47. nice!

:hi: Tigerlily long time no see... glad to see you still hang out here :bounce:

peace

[Tigerlily]

79. Hi bpilgrim!

I don't have internet access very often. But when I do, I go right to Buzzflash and GFP to read the news and then to DU. Glad to see you're still here too! :hi:

[durutti]

48. Nope

All the ones I know are still in denial.

[bpilgrim]

49. MORE PROOF ---------------------------------- LINK

Bush is losing support on right
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=124265

peace

[bpilgrim]

69. and more... recent POLLS ------------------------------ LINK

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=375434

:bounce:

peace

[DinahMoeHum]

50. I've met a couple at the Dean Meetups. . .

who told me they had voted for * in 2000, and won't do it again. They're pissed as hell.

:kick:

[bpilgrim]

59. sweet! i am sure that is a demographic - clinton conservatives - picked up

by his campaign :bounce:

peace

[5thGenDemocrat]

51. Andy the Right Wing Republican is pissed

Not so much about the WMD as the $87 billion dollars pResident Dopey wants next to finance his illegal war.
To Andy, it ain't about the war, it's about the money.
John
Which shouldn't surprise anyone here who knows Andy.
ON EDIT: Chip, another (religious/fundamentalist) conservative friend of mine thinks what Dopey is doing in Iraq is plain murder. He, unlike Andy, might vote for a "centrist" Democrat -- Lieberman, Clark maybe (haven't asked him about Clark yet), Dean maybe -- still too early to say -- he sure doesn't like what's happening over there.
I'm just hoping Andy sits this next one out. Or, way better, that someone like Pat Buchanan gets into this race.

[bpilgrim]

60. rove and crew MUST be picking up on this and be DEATHLY AFRAID of CLARK

not to mention DEAN, KUCINICH and KERRY :bounce:

wether they come our way or not as long as they don't vote for bush WE WIN :bounce:

:hi:

peace

[proud patriot]

52. Every Veteran I run into is PISSED

My grandparents who are old school Republicans .
Are Dumbfouned , my grandfather put his life on the
line in WWII and the Korean War for world stability .
Bush is dissmantling everything that Generation
thought they were leaving us . I see a scared look
in my Grandfathers eye . He Graduated first in his class
at Harvard Business School , a very smart man who can
make me look very STUPID , he chooses for the first
time in his life , just to listen to me . He doesn't
defend bush or Rush anymore , he doesn't attack Dean
the guy who I support in the primary .

THIS IS A BIG DEAL , no one in my family usually
keeps their mouth shut . we love each other for our
passions .

Thanks for sharing , Great Thread .

Oh and Today when walking in a parking lot I saw a guy
standing by his truck with a bush/cheney sticker on it
I stated bush is a lyer so he could turn around and see my
face and confront me if he wanted . I stood and waited
for him to say something , I guess he expected me to walk
away , I just stood and waited for his response .
He turned around and got in his truck w/o saying SHIT ...

OH YEAH ! :evilgrin:

[bpilgrim]

61. wow! great stories, thanks!

i know that folks who are actually paying attention or once knew the horrors of war must be HORRIFIED at the current direction the neo-cons are haeding.

thanks :toast:

peace

[seg4527]

56. re

My dad, a ronald reagan lover, hates George Bush.

He saw the farce of the whole WMD argument before we went in to Iraq. And he has been against the Bushies since the Patriot Act. He's a real conservative though, pro-civil liberties, anti-imperialism, fiscal responsibility.

Wants Howard Dean to win too...

[bpilgrim]

62. sweet!

exactly the terms i think of when i think of a 'real' conservative and they are DYING for CHANGE - and dialog, with us - as well.

thanks for sharing :toast:

peace

[Mari333]

57. My Mother and my Sister

My mother, a VERY staunch Repug, calls Bush "Napoleon"///she hates him now
My sister hates him too....NOW...and her husband actually LEFT her when she said she would NOT vote for Bush...he cut her Internet connection with a scissors and told her to stop getting information from the Net...Im not kidding..
Shes better off without him, but she has 5 kids to take care of on her own now..
I used to be the ONLY lefty in the family...at least now I have 2 on my side, somewhat.

[never cry wolf]

58. You've GOT to be kidding me!!

He would abandon 5 kids and his wife over not voting for shrub?? What a complete imbecile, some family values he learned from his party, huh? Totally disgusting.

[Mari333]

72. His family values=Hes in charge of her

she didnt allow it, and he left.....a lot of GOP men are that way.

[never cry wolf]

75. Well, he's a neanderthal....

She is better off without him, I am only sorry he had a chance to pass along his DNA. Sorry if I sound harsh but I have stayed in an extremely bad marriage ofr 19 years for the sake of my two kids. Men like your ex-b-in-law make me vomit. My heart goes out to your sister and her kids.

[bpilgrim]

64. great folks to have on your side!

what a sad story though, especially about the kids - though isn't that the story of many women unfortunately? thats why i KNOW women are also STRONGER then men - but TOGETHER yall will meet all challenges i am sure especially if we all start facing reality... together. :bounce:

thanks for sharing :toast:

peace

[calimary]

73. Stifling dissent in his own home, 'eh? She's better off without him.

My condolences on her plight. But she's STILL better off without him. Sounds like he needs one of those blow-up dolls who don't do anything but lay there. Kinda like Laura.

[jbm]

63. I've talked to a few..

who look a little bewildered,but they continue to find ways to justify his actions.I have noticed there are longer pauses and a lot more stuttering while they search for ways to explain the rationals.

[bpilgrim]

67. when you look at it from the perspective of a coup... it all adds up.

12-12-2000

peace

[alfredo]

66. I have spoken to them about the roots of the neo con philosophy

showing its roots in Trotsky and Leo Strauss. I emphasize that the neo cons are not conservative, but are radicals.

Other ones to are more reactive, I speak of bread and butter issues. One question forthem, what if it was Clinton instead of Bush, would he have gotten a free ride by the media.

[bpilgrim]

68. great tactics... the clinton one is certainly hard to refute ;-)

thanks for sharing :toast:

peace

[lancemurdoch]

74. Bush's rhetoric

When Bush said "Bring 'em on", I think a lot of conservatives were not happy about that. I don't think the airplane landing went over so well either.

[Davis_X_Machina]

76. "He told us those lies...

...for perfectly good reasons. Congress wouldn't have given him his terrible swift sword with which to work God's vengance unless he had lied. The ends justified the means -- just like the election in Florida. We need a strong man to lead us, and don't care what he has to do, or what corners he has to cut, to get the Lord's work done."

They have drunk deeply from the Kool-Aid, and they're not waking up.

[Lorien]

78. My Baptist Missionary mom

has turned on Shrub. She had been the only person in our family to support him in 2000, but when I told her about Dean recently, she said "Anyone would be better than what we have now. It's turning into 1930s Germany here". I was shocked!

My mechanic is a McCain repug, and he'll never make the mistake of voting for drinky McDumbass again. He's voting Dean if Dean is the candidate!