How long before Saudi Arabia is invaded?

[Deja Q]

They have lots of oil.

Lots of them hijacked our planes and flew into buildings on 9/11, providing us a good excuse should the time come.

They have lots of oil.

The Arab world isn't too friendly with the US right now.

They have lots of oil.

I'm sure plenty of people remember the oil crisis of the 1970s.

They have lots of oil.

To keep the SUV users and dealers happy, we need to keep gas prices low.

And, lastly:

They have lots of oil.

If Bush can convince the idiot public that Iraq was behind the 9/11 attacks, it should be easy to convince them that Saudi Arabia was behind the attacks; especially since there's boatloads of circumstantial evidence.

Forget Korea. Screw Iran. Syria is for sissies. They're all secondary unless they get lots of oil in the near future.

And, to the dumbfuck media people out there who get paid 6 times the amount of money I get paid for my more productive and useful job, it's not called "oil production". We do not produce oil. There's currently no way to produce oil (though I bet Shell and BP Amoco are working on a way to resolve that for their own financial gain...) It is extracted and collected under the surface of our planet and sold to us. When it's run out, we're all hosed for good. There is no such thing as an "American Oil Company" because they're all housed in the oil extracting nations of the world, of which the US really isn't, hence our dependence on foreign sources.

[LunaC]

1. No way!

The Saudis would yank their U.S. investments in a quick minute and even Smirk can figure out how that would totally devastate an already fragile economy.

[sspiderjohn]

12. perhaps you give GWB too much credit?

What leads you to believe that he is capable of understanding this or any other simple and obvious concept?

[Vitruvius]

23. Not if Bu$h sequesters "enemy" assets = Saudi assets.

If Bu$h can get away with this, that would be yet another simple-minded reason to invade Saudi Arabia... (Never mind that it would scare every other nation that has money invested in America -- Bu$h's simple mind favors simple solutions...)

That said, I don't think Bu$h will in fact invade them (as long as the Saudi monarchy stays in power) -- he, his father, and his family have been their employees/servants for too long...

And the Saudis must have some real dirt on Bu$h -- at the very least their financing for his failed oil companies, at most, MIHOP re 9/11.

[RC]

2. Ain't gonna happen

They just signed a bunch of paper with their brand new friend, Russia.

[never cry wolf]

3. Never happen under shrub

The BFEE is in way too tight with the saudis, bosom buddies. They might then tell all they know about em.

[Scimmio]

27. invasion would only follow the fall of House of Saud...

As long as the current partnership exists, we would only invade in the case of an Al Queda led or Wahhibist revolution. The Princes can establish their Government-in-Exile at Crawford HQ. We would have our soldiers' boots hitting the sand within the week.

[Don_G]

4. The Trouble Is

That they have invested a lot of capital in the US. So has China, Singapore and Japan. Current foreign investment in the US is more than $2.7+ Trillion more than the US has invested overseas.

What if Saudi Arabia made an oil deal to supply Asia with cheap oil in exchange for selling off a significant portion of those securities in case Dimbo got a few "bright" ideas?

We've already relocated most of our manufacturing capacity overseas to improve the businesses' bottom line at the expense of our workers here and managed to accumulate a massive amount of debt thanks to Shrub & Co.

We're hosed if our Village Idiot gets any more bright ideas between now and his 2004 eviction notice.

[Kamika]

5. wont happen aslong as they are puppies

syria is next if there is a next

[Astarho]

6. As long as it takes the Wahhabis

to overthrow the monarchy.

[Mari333]

7. When monkeys fly out of my arse.

[Blue_Chill]

8. I wouldn't mind if we did.

If this war on terror was serious they would have been our target right after Afghanistan. However the Saudi's are smart, they support terrorists but when the pressure gets on them they arrest a few and allow the FBI to run around in their nation for a while.

They play both sides of the conflict.

[thebigidea]

11. so you're up for Regime Change in SA?

how long? who do we put in place?

liberation? democracy?

with what troops? do we get a "coalition of the willing"?

still, I suppose all this crusade needs to stir things up a bit is an assault on Mecca.

Praise God!

[Blue_Chill]

19. No not regime change

But I think certain rich Saudi's need to be dragged before the world court. By force if need be.

Save your crusade rants for someone else.

[sspiderjohn]

9. depends on how close Saudi/Russian relations become

And on the Al Quaida influence on the House of Saud. Hard to predict, really. And don't forget Jordan and the influence of King Abdullah.

[cliss]

10. Maybe it's not so implausible.

Question:

1) how big is their military? Do they have nuclear weapons? Can they fight back if attacked?

2) Does the PNAC plan to attack Saudi Arabia? Or just intimidate them into doing their bidding?

3) Can the US do it right now, considering that we're a little tied up in Iraq with troops + lotsa money going down that black hole.

4) Saudi Arabia has the World's #1 supply of oil. Iraq has #2. Does the US really have them in its sights?

[auburnlib]

13. no way

Saddam was beligerent and if he had had the means of attacking the United States he would have. He also brutalized his own people. Saudi Arabia only supports terrorism in the sense that they aren't heavily investigating it in their country. Also, the Saudis aren't brutal, they may be religious fanatics but they aren't half as bad as Saddam was. The Saudi-America relationship is a financial one.(that and oil). The U.S. has never gone after the Saudis and they never will. Basically, it is like in high school. Remember the guy who could get the beer? Remember how much of an asshole he was? But we still maintained some type of "friendship."

[Yupster]

20. Saudi Arabia would fall in a day

if we decided to attack them. There would be no organized defense.

My guess is we would organize a coup before we invaded though. I believe they realize they are under watch. They have sure arrested an awful lot of people lateky and even had armed clashes with them. That wouldn't have happened two years ago.

[aneerkoinos]

26. Perhaps, if you mean House of Saudi

But after that, fighting them pesky Wahhabis would still be a real bitch. And still no oil for US.

[IranianDemocrat]

14. Saudi's are the real bad guys.

I'm not advocating war, but juses christ like 75% of the WTC hijackers were Saudi Arabian. Then Bush has the nerve to name IRAN as part of the Axis of Evil. Jesus.

[JCMach1]

21. The government, perhaps

I am afraid my Saudi students would disagree on being the bad guys. If anything, they feel less responsible because they control absolutely nothing that happens with their government.

[aneerkoinos]

15. Aint gonna happen

See the Venezuela threads, and remember new friendship between Russia and SA.

It's US who is gonna loose big time if they are not nice and polite to Saudi's, they'll be alone in the world without oil. Against this gambit US is totally defenceless, no matter how big army they got, Russia got nukes.

Here's one possible scenario: US pisses Saudis bad enough, Saudis and Russia agree secretly to give their support to Chavez, who then stops oil to US because of US terrorism against Venezuela and giving residence to a Venezuelan bad guy, US has no alternative but to threaten with military action against Venezuela - Bang, Putin shows his hand, US is done.

[Jacobin]

16. One small problem. They have made an alliance with Russia

Russia has those big bombs that make mushroom clouds. China is also allied with Russia. And the EU and Russia are cozying up to each other.

It's an alliance to stop American agression in the M.E. which makes invading that country problematic.

It's Syria and Iran, if Smirk can get more foreign troops to go repress the Iraqis so we can have enough soldiers to go do the job. (which is why Smirky isn't having any luck getting the EU or Russia to furnish troops in Iraq)

Smirk is playing checkers with world leaders who are playing chess.

[maggrwaggr]

17. Shrub would attack Texas before SA since you see

Shrub and Co are employees of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia secretly took over these guys years ago.

Okay, i'm wearing my tinfoil hat on this one, it's just a feeling, but it's a STRONG feeling.

Saudi Arabia wanted us to invade Iraq. So they bombed the WTC with Shrub looking the other way. That gave Shrub the political juice to get the job done. Now we can get our troops out of Saudi Arabia, something the Saudis desperately needed so that they wouldn't have a people's overthrow of their own.

And the Saudis fucking HATED Hussein, so they're glad to have him out of the picture.

In the meantime, due to the war, the price of oil has been sky-high ALL YEAR and recently hit an ALL TIME HIGH.

Thus huge profits for the Saudis, with less output!

It all fits together very nicely, don't you think?

A few bombs in the pipelines to keep the iraqi oil from actually flowing anywhere, and the Saudis continue to be happy as clams.

[ShaneGR]

18. Never gonna happen, reason=gas prices

We need to phase out those bastards in terms of buying oil from other nations while we develop alternative energy.

[Paragon]

22. With the military stretched this thin...

...we won't see any military actions for a while, even if it becomes necessary.

[MetaTrope]

24. Not part of Bush's deal with bin Laden

Whistle Ass only agreed to pull U.S. troops out of Saudi Arabia.

[Aidoneus]

25. Saudi oil is probably the cheapest and easiest to produce

I doubt any deliberate disruption of that is planned.. there's some revolutionary and opposition groups who have some disruption in mind, maybe some Bourbon/Romanov-esque action with the royals, but no "Western" ruling elites outside of Tel Aviv & American Enterprise Institute have overthrowing their loyal puppet regime of decadent hypocrites in mind.

[bluestateguy]

28. S.A. is the biggest terrorist nation on earth

Don't expect me to take to the streets if they're bombed to kingdom cum!