A good thought........(this is vitaly importaint !)

[Shrubhater]

"A punishment should only be given if the convict knows why."

Shrubhater (1991-

[Shrubhater]

1. This could benifit the justice system.

[Redstone]

2. Huh?

Redstone

[Shrubhater]

3. Are you confused about the meaning of that quote?

[karlrschneider]

5. Um, well -I- am confused by it.

?

[Shrubhater]

7. What are you confused about?

[karlrschneider]

12. About what it means in English, mostly....

:eyes:

[Shrubhater]

18. I thought the meaning was obvious. n/t

[Redstone]

9. Yup.

PS: It's spelled "vitally."

Redstone

[Shrubhater]

24. Oh.

[Bouncy Ball]

4. Are you referencing something in particular?

A news story of late? Or something?

[Shrubhater]

6. I'm not referring to anything.

As far as I know, I wrote that quote.

[Bouncy Ball]

8. Ok, then can you tell me why it is "vitally importaint?"

On edit, were you born in 1991?

[Shrubhater]

10. Yes.

and to your first question, if everyone knew that quote and it's meaning, The justice system would be more fair and 2 sided at every level.

[Redstone]

11. I was your age once, so I understand...

but the cosmos does not revolve around "profound thoughts" that are opaque to other people. That's something I learned later. Just a bit of advice from an old guy.

I also learned how to use apostrophes correctly. Suggest you do the same, if you want to be taken seriously.

And, furthermore, the less hostility that shows through your correspondence, the more friends you'll make.

Redstone

[Shrubhater]

13. Alright, do you want to know the meaning of that statement? The

meaning is simple, I probably phrased it in a way that's difficult to understand. Here's the meaning: It's pointless to punish someone if he doesn't know why he's being punished. And it's also not a good idea to punish him a long time from now, as he will often forget why he's being punished. If your confused about anything else, feel free to ask me.

[Redstone]

14. Well, this is a concept that any (good) parent understands..

However, that doesn't raise it to the level of a Universal Truth.

There are, you'll grow to understand, people out there who have absolutely no concept of right and wrong, blinded as they are by their own desires and feeling of self-entitlement.

The higher-ups at Enron, for example, will never understand why they deserve punishment, because they consider themselves above the law. But they DO deserve to be punished, whether they understand it or not. The law is the law, and does not require understanding by a specific person to be the law.

Comprene?

I'm trying to be helpful here, when I tell you that baldly stating what you believe to be a profound moral absolute (and which - see above - turns out not to be such an absolute after all), and doing so in a manner that invites, nay, demands arguments to which you only reply in a hostile and supercilious manner is not going to make you a whole bunch of friends.

Trust me on this.

Redstone

PS: In real life--as in school--grammar, spelling, and punctuation count toward your final score.

[Shrubhater]

16. But if you punish the higher-ups in Enron,

they wouldn't know why they're being punished, so it would have no effect on them.

[KaliTracy]

22. the higher ups at Enron need to all go to work at Wal-Mart for

10 years

[Shrubhater]

26. On a side note,Wal-Mart treats thier employees like crap.

[kliljedahl]

21. That's how I correct my dog

Can't let too much time elapse.


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[Shrubhater]

25. Yeah, punishments with animals only work immedeatly after they

did something wrong.

[BurtWorm]

17. I think your quote is very wise.

Most people seem to think the punishment is only good if the victim gets a charge out of it.

[Shrubhater]

19. Thank you. n/t

[nonconformist]

15. That is a basic principal of our justice system

I'm not claiming that it always works that way, our justice system is seriously flawed, but that is the way our system is actually supposed to work - presumably, one who has no capabilities for understanding what they did was a crime would plead insanity, and if found guilty would be remanded to a mental institution for treatment instead of a prison. Most judges will go above and beyond to make sure the accused understands what they are being charged with, especially if there is some question as to whether they're mentally competent enough to understand that. No judge wants their ruling overturned so most make sure the first time. There are, as with anything, exceptions to the rule.

[Shrubhater]

27. Yeah, the justice system is flawed. n/t

[Qanisqineq]

20. If s/he understands what s/he did was wrong?

Well, I agree with that. If he/she didn't understand, wouldn't they be declared mentally incompetent to stand trial? Unless I am understanding you wrong, which is always a possibility with me.

I am actually confused by your last line. "Shrubhater (1991- "
Does that mean you were born in 1991? Or you started hating the Bushes in 1991? Or you were reborn in some way in 1991? Or.... ? :D

Edit: can't spell incompetent

[Shrubhater]

23. It means I was born in 1991.

I couldn't possibly have hated the Bushes back then, because I was only a baby back then.