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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:20 PM
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Posada Carriles’ US asylum application connects to JFK assassination
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/truthout.htm

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Posada Carriles’ US asylum application
connects to JFK assassination
THE MAN THAT PLACED
LUIS POSADA CARRILES IN
DEALEY PLAZA ON 11/22/63



Chauncey Marvin Holt




Luis Posada Carriles


An expert on the Kennedy assassination asks:

Does Posada have incriminating evidence against Bush senior?


By Jean Guy Allard - Special for Granma International

• “I am beginning to suspect that Posada has some very incriminating evidence against Bush senior to be released if he dies a suspicious death. Otherwise I can't imagine how he can get away with it, or why the Bush administration exposes itself to so such an embarrasment."

In an interview with Granma International, Wim Dankbaar is not hiding his astonishment over the request for asylum by international terrorrist Luis Posada Carriles in Miami.

"It's just astounding. The apathy of the media even more so. Why does no media source write that the man is not pardoned from his sentence for killing 73 people, but that he ESCAPED and is still a convicted terrorrist on the loose?"

Dankbaar, a Dutch businessman who has financed new investigations into the Kennedy shooting - with the collaboration of retired FBI agents - and who is assembling a documentary on the subject, has shown how one of the three individuals arrested by Dallas police shortly after the crime, placed Luis Posada Carriles in Dealey Plaza in Dallas when the assassination was carried out.

He affirms that Chauncey Holt, one of three alleged vagrants - in truth, they were Mafia hitmen in disguise - who were detained, testified on the facts in a 2-hour video recording made shortly before his death that was never transmitted. “In this recording,” said Dankbaar, ”Holt names a few Cuban-Americans, and among them is Luis Posada Carriles. "He identifies the other two tramps as Charles Rogers and Charles Harrelson. Harrelson is a convicted hitman serving life for another murder, and also the father of Hollywood actor Woody Harrelson."

Newsweek was the first to report on this story in 1991. (A reprint of that article can be found by clicking here.)

Meanwhile Dankbaar adds a lot more information: Chauncey Holt was working under the orders of Meyer Lansky, notorious chief of the Havana mafia during the 1950s, and Pete Licavoli, another U.S. mafia leader.

But Holt was also an operative for the CIA. His instructions for Dallas came from his undercover CIA supervisor Philip Twombly of the Bank of Fullerton, California. Those instructions were specifically to make and deliver secret service credentials to a rabid anti Castro militant named Homer Echevarria, who was a close associate of Cuban exile leader Paulino Sierra . Holt further relates that he made id cards in the names of Lee Harvey Oswald, Lee Henry Oswald, Leon Oswald, Leon Osborne and Alek Hidell. Furthermore he drove to Dallas from Licavoli’s Arizona ranch in the company of Leo Moceri and Charles Nicoletti, both hitmen for mafia moguls Giancana and Licavoli. Holt’s testimony on the Kennedy plot is therefore clear evidence of the collaboration between the CIA, Organized Crime and the Cuban exile community, with the consent of the highest elements in the US Government. His story even points out that Joseph Ball, counsel for the Warren Commission, was a CIA asset, who harboured several of the participants in a safe house in Acapulco, to keep them out of reach of the Commission.

According to Dankbaar, Holt came forward because all the principals are dead and he felt the american public was entitled to know the truth about the death of their President. He expressed particularly strong reservations on the CIA’s use of Lee Harvey Oswald as a sacrificial lamb. Holt has left a number of documents to support his story, up to written instructions and private correspondence from his mafia and CIA superiors. 1


Chauncey Holt is pictured above.
He was the tramp in the hat in the
infamous Three Tramps pictures.
He drove Charles Nicoletti into Dallas
on the morning of 11/22/63.


Dankbaar pointed out that mafia boss Sam Giancana’s biography - edited by his brother - discloses the role played by two buddies of former Havana chief Santos Trafficante, one of which could perfectly be Posada, according to the description given.

The research financed by Dankbaar was led by retired detective Zack Shelton, who worked for the FBI for 28 years, principally in Chicago and Kansas City. The film entitled Second Look presents the results of his search for new information on the controversial subject.

According to Dankbaar, the presence in Dallas of several small groups of individuals linked both to the Cuban-American leadership of the Batista faction and the Italian mafia could be explained by the CIA’s compartmentalization of its operations.

As well as Posada, the film shows that other known Cuban-American CIA operatives, such as Frank Sturgis and Orlando Bosch, were also present in Dealey Plaza. It further presents the story of another CIA operative and sidekick of Charles Nicoletti from the Chicago crime family, James E. Files, who has confessed to being the man who fired the headshot at JFK from the infamous grassy knoll.

A fragment of this videotaped confession is presented here.

“Some JFK reseachers tell me that they have never heard of James Files. I then remind them they are not supposed to hear of covert CIA operatives. He did not achieve the notoriety of people like Bosch, Novo and Posada, who are implicated in the Cuban airline bombing and the assassination of Orlando Letelier. He just managed to keep a lower profile. But rest assured that he was active in the same circles”.

Dankbaar refers to these documents:

Document 1

Document 2

Dankbaar does not discount the possibility that Posada could have been another triggermen firing at Kennedy. He points out that in his special address at the Havana Convention Centre on April 11, Fidel Castro stressed that a document declassified by US authorities talks about Carriles as belonging to a CIA group, with the code name of Cazador (Hunter). Although ironically, the Cuban President noted, Carriles was a hunter who blew up passenger airplanes. Fidel Castro indicated that the document revealed that the terrorist had received military training, graduating with the rank of lieutenant, boasted a certificate as an expert sharpshooter and gave courses on explosives and demolition.

"Posada was almost killed in Guatemala in 1990, which he publicly blamed on Castro agents. 2

But that may be a cover story, it may as well have been the CIA. This guy knows too much, and I don't think it is too far out to assume he has communicated some type of "insurance".

Remember how CIA drug smuggler and Iran-Contra operative Barry Seal was gunned down? If you believe his lawyer, Seal was in direct contact with George Bush. And the personal telephone number of George H. W. Bush was found in the trunk of Seal's car. They blamed his murder on the Medellin cartel, but he was scheduled to testify and there were a lot of rumors he had a video tape featuring Jeb and George W. Bush." 3

Dankbaar also cites the case of David Morales: “David Sanchez Morales is another CIA assassin involved in the JFK assassination who died under suspicious circumstances. He had secured his house with double alarm systems, but not against burglars. He confessed to a friend: "It's my own guys I am worried about. I know too damned much." 4

It's possible that Posada can blackmail the Bush Administration. Therefore I would not be surprised if he gets his asylum. James Files has been a target for discreditation as the CIA purged his files, even his birth certificate says "deceased at birth", but denying Posada's past is not so easy". 5

And does the fact that ex operative Porter Goss, who admits to having participated in terrorrist acts against Cuba, is the new CIA director, facilitate the return of Posada?

“Of course. The man that Bush selected, has been part of the CIA efforts to overthrow the Castro regime and assassinate its leader", Dankbaar confirms. “Goss is an ideal man to keep possible scandals under the carpet for Bush and particularly, his father. They are both participants in the same history. ” 6

I am sure it will come as a surprise if I say that Bush has his fingerprints all over this case, but that is purely because of ignorance of the public. And the public is being kept ignorant because the mainstream press does not report on it. But there is ample documentary and testimonial evidence to tie Bush senior to the Bay of Pigs, the anti-Castro cause and the Kennedy assassination. It's beyond the scope of this interview to list that evidence here, but you have to understand that the Kennedy assassination stems from the same forces that were trying to oust Fidel Castro, which were basically Organized Crime, Cuban exiles, CIA and Big Oil in Texas. Bush connects to all four. They all wanted Cuba back and saw the Kennedy's standing in their way.

Their collaboration is now a matter of public record, from the Bay of Pigs, but also in the CIA/Mafia plots to kill Castro. Organized crime was under an unprecented attack from Robert Kennedy, JFK wanted to abolish the oil depletion allowance and splinter the autonomy of the CIA, and the hawks in the Pentagon found him soft on communism and war. On top of that they blamed him for the failure of the Bay of Pigs, to make it worse he fired the top three men of the CIA. They openly called him a traitor. He was treathening their existence. So he had to go. It is as simple as that. They got rid of him in a coup d' état, displaying an arrogance of power by shooting him from opposite directions in broad daylight, and then lying to the American public in a cover-up that should insult the intelligence of every American who has only remotely looked at the evidence. Even despite the fact that most of that evidence was kept away. Imagine you film the murder of a President today. You could sell it for millions of dollars and it would go over every TV screen in the world. But not in Kennedy's case.

Kennedy wouldn't be President in the first place if he had not made a deal with Giancana to rig his election in Illinois. 7

Nixon lost just barely and he was put forward by Prescott Bush, few people know that. Neither do they know that Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by Kennedy and later member of the Warren Commission, was a close friend. 8

Even less that Nixon, Dulles and Bush had been the architects for the Bay of Pigs under Eisenhower. This can all be documented. Just like his friendship with George Demohrenschildt, who was Lee Harvey Oswald's closest friend in Dallas. 9

Why did Bush never disclose that? Witholding information about a crime, is also a crime. Why does he not recall his whereabouts on 11/22/63? When and where did he befriend the Cuban CIA agent Felix Rodriguez, who by the way is Posada's buddy, all the way from the Bay of Pigs to Iran Contra. All those kids with T-shirts of Che Guevara don't know that Rodriguez was his captor and probably his killer. 10

Why does he deny that he is the "George Bush of the CIA" in an FBI memo from Hoover about the Kennedy assassination? 11

Does he really expect us to swallow that his directorship was his first job for the Agency? Why did he pardon Orlando Bosch, Posada's acomplice in the airline bombing, who was also in Dealey Plaza that day? 12

Not to mention Guillermo Novo, also just pardoned and released by Panama and returned to Miami. I could go on and on. Most journalists don't ask these questions, because they are not even aware of the information. 13

And the Bushes themselves hardly make a secret of their symphaties. Look at what George W. is doing now, he is still calling for the removal of Castro, and he is still carressing the guys who have been trying to accomplish that for over 40 years. That's why Florida is "his" state. Don't get me wrong, I have no affiliation with Castro or his regime, my orientation is towards freedom and democracy, but the double standards of the Bush administration are just so insulting they are almost laughable.

Actually, what I find the most intriguing phenomenon in this case, is that no one believes the government version of JFK anymore, instead everyone believes it was a conspiracy, but if you say that Bush was involved they look at you as if you're crazy. What is so difficult in grasping that the ones who seized power from a coup d'etat, are still in charge today? Is it because it's too mindboggling?

Allen Dulles summarized his opinion about the American public at a Congressional meeting: "But nobody reads. Don't believe people read in this country. There will be a few professors that will read the record... the public will read very little".

I guess I am one of those "few professors" and thus more in support of this qoute:

"There is no doubt now that there was a conspiracy, yet most of us are not very angry about it. The conspiracy to kill the president of the United States was also a conspiracy against the democratic system --and thus a conspiracy against you. I think you should get very angry about that."

- Gaeton Fonzi, Investigator for the House Select Comittee on Assassinations

I say the story is a little bigger than Castro's indignation about Bush harboring and protecting terrorrists. He is harboring the killers of JFK.


*********************


More details http://jfkmurdersolved.com

For the latest news on Posada just click here.

Sources:

1
Sources: Never aired Documentary on Chauncey Holt: “Spooks, Hoods and the Hidden Elite.“
Family and associates of Chauncey Holt.
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/holt1.htm
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/lois1.htm

2
Source: a.o. New York Times: http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43b/144.html

3
Sources: a.o. Washington Weekly: http://www.idfiles.com/cia-linked-to-seal-death.htm
http://www.totse.com/en/politics/central_intelligence_agency/ciahits.html
Book “Barry and the Boys” – Daniel Hopsicker

4
Sources: Book The Last Investigation - Gaeton Fonzi, Investigator for the House Select Comittee on Assassinations
http://cuban-exile.com/menu2/2fonzi.html
Testimony of Roger Craig: http://www.jfk-online.com/craigshaw.html
Testimony of Richard Randolph Carr: http://www.jfk-online.com/carrshaw.html
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=26
7

5
Sources: Interview with James E. Files: click here
Record search at http://www.ussearch.com/
John Grady, historian for the 82nd Airborne.

6
Source: Washington Post, interview with Porter Goss: click here

7
Sources: “Double Cross”- biography of Sam Giancana
The dark side of Camelot – Seymour Hersh
Google sources: click here

8
Sources a.o http://jfkmurdersolved.com/bush.htm
Letter of Prescott Bush to Dulles’ wife: http://jfkmurdersolved.com/prescott.htm

9
Sources a.o http://jfkmurdersolved.com/bush3.htm
Letter of Demohrenschildt to Bush:
page 1
page 2

10
Sources a.o http://jfkmurdersolved.com/bush2.htm
Google sources: click here

11
Sources a.o http://jfkmurdersolved.com/bush2.htm
FBI Memorandum "George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency"
Google sources: click here

12
Sources: Interview with James E. Files: click here
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/confession2.htm

13
Source: Testimony of Marita Lorenz:
http://www.holman.net/ufo/archives/research/newfiles2sort/conspire/ciaken.txt




"Treason does never prosper. What's the reason? When it prospers, None dare call it treason."

- Sir John Harrington

"If you shut up the truth and bury it under the ground, it will but grow, and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through it will blow up everything in its way."

- French author Emile Zola:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

Our Democracy Dies in the Shade of the Bushes
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:25 PM
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1. Dealey Plaza must have been more crowded that Woodstock
Every shady SOB on the planet was there and they were all taking shots at Kennedy.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:45 PM
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4. actually, when you walk around Dealey Plaza, as I did recently...
...it becomes obvious how easy it is to shoot from the Grassy Knoll, as opposed to being a "lone nut" in the Book Depository...
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:47 PM
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5. Don't get me wrong
There was more than one shooter and more than likely at least one of them was at the grassy knoll. I just love the long parade of those who were supposed to be there and the shooters.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 06:46 AM
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7. FBI memo states George Herbert Walker Bush was there.
Poppy told the FBI, within minutes of the assassination, he thought of a suspect.
Why he didn't tell them before the assassination is any prosecutor's guess.





SOURCE (and a bettr copy of the memo from a week later reporduced i the OP):

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm



Gee. It's interesting how the FBI had all this info about suspects, but focused on little Lee Harvey Oswald right off the bat.

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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 09:53 AM
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8. Poppy was giving a speech in Tyler, Texas
at the time of the shooting, and presumably there are quite a large number of witnesses to prove it.

see "The Family", by Kitty Kelley, p 257.

He did apparently call the FBI with a suspect after the event, but I'm sure a lot of concerned citizens did that.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:20 AM
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11. Why didn't Bush call the FBI before the shooting?
My guess is he didn't want to compromise the operation.

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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:51 AM
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12. The guy he "shopped" was called James Milton Parrott...
and had been talking about killing the president. Presumably before JFK was killed, Poppy thought the guy was just a nutter, but afterwards thought he'd better report it just in case....

Has Parrott any connection with any of the suspects...?

Maybe you are right and he knew in advance and reported Parrott in order to cover himself, but you'd need to provide something more solid by way of evidence before anyone takes that seriously.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:18 PM
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13. Thanks for helping me understand what George Bush knew about JFK's murder.
Much obliged also for the help on how to get anyone to take me "seriously." Then again, coming from "Henny Penny" I shouldn't worry too much about the sky falling on the Bush Family Evil Empire, right?

BTW: How do you explain this "solid evidence" from a week after the assassination, when "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" briefed J Edgar Hoover on how the pro- and anti-Castro Cuban community in Miami were taking the news from Dallas? Gee. All those SEC records of Bush's "Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company" days were inconveniently destroyed sometime in the 1980s.

A slightly better copy of the FBI memo from the original post:







So, you think it was a "different" George Bush? Do you believe what Hoover said then, that Oswald was the lone gunman? I don't.
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:33 PM
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15. I'd be more than happy to see the sky fall on the BFEE...
Wouldn't surprise me at all if poppy was working for the CIA back then.

It is is a little difficult to read the memo, but it looks like it is describing George Bush as "An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami..."

I just can't imagine how someone with Bush's public John Bircher type record on issues like Vietnam and open housing, would ever get close to a "pro-Castro group".

I could believe that he might try and smear a pro-Castro group though.


As an aside- going off the deep end when someone casts a critical eye over your case, merely discredits it.






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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:59 PM
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16. Here's something from the deep end.
Did I write something to offend you? If I did, my apologies. Most of the people who post on DU, including me, don't like Poppy, his progeny or their policies. I meet with suspicion posters who support him or them.

Regarding the subject: If so many people said they heard Poppy Bush give a speech, why has Poppy continued to claim he couldn't remember where he was when asked his whereabouts on November 22, 1963?



The Kennedy Assassination: The Nixon-Bush Connection

by Paul Kangas

Note: All references to "George Bush" refer to George Herbert Walker Bush, Father of George "Dubya" Bush who was "elected" pResident by a 5 to 4 vote of the Supreme Court.

A newly discovered FBI document reveals that George Bush was directly involved in the 1963 murder of President John Kennedy. The document places Bush working with the now-famous CIA agent, Felix Rodriguez, recruiting right-wing Cuban exiles for the invasion of Cuba. It was Bush's CIA job to organize the Cuban community in Miami for the invasion. The Cubans were trained as marksmen by the CIA. Bush at that time lived in Texas. Hopping from Houston to Miami weekly, Bush spent 1960 and '61 recruiting Cubans in Miami for the invasion. That is how he met Felix Rodriguez.

You may remember Rodriguez as the Iran-contra CIA agent who received the first phone call telling the world the CIA plane flown by Gene Hasenfus had crashed in Nicaragua. As soon as Rodriguez heard that the plane crashed, he called his long-time CIA supervisor, George Bush. Bush denied being in the contra loop, but investigators recently obtained copies of Oliver North's diary, which documents Bush's role as a CIA supervisor of the contra supply network.

SNIP...

That is exactly how evidence was uncovered placing George Bush working with Felix Rodriguez when JFK was killed. A memo from FBI head J. Edgar Hoover was found, stating that, "Mr. George Bush of the CIA had been briefed on November 23rd, 1963 about the reaction of anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Miami to the assassination of President Kennedy. (Source: The Nation, 8/13/88).

On the day of the assassination Bush was in Texas, but he denies knowing exactly where he was. Since he had been the supervisor for the secret Cuban teams, headed by former Cuban police commander Felix Rodriguez, since 1960, it is likely Bush was also in Dallas in 1963. Several of the Cubans he was supervising as dirty-tricks teams for Nixon, were photographed in the Zagruder film.

In 1959 Rodriguez was a top cop in the Cuban government under Batista. When Batista was overthrown and fled to Miami, Rodriguez went with him, along with Frank Sturgis and Rafael Quintero. Officially, Rodriguez didn't join the CIA until 1967, after the CIA invasion of Cuba, in which he participated, and the assassination of JFK. But records recently uncovered show he actually joined the CIA in 1961 for the invasion of Cuba when he was recruited by George Bush. That is how Rodriguez claims he became a "close personal friend of Bush."

CONTINUED...

http://www.anti-sheep.com/articles/030114-Kennedy-Nixon-Bush.php



PS: Seeing how there's no statute of limitations on murder, I think it'd be a good idea to have him testify under oath. Do you?
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:46 PM
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18. Offend no, but remember I am not such a practised swimmer as you!
Regarding Bush's speech... the only reason I know about this is because I am currently reading Kitty Kelley's book, and had literally just got to that bit yesterday!

At the time, according to Kitty, he was running a pretty right wing campaign against a liberal dem and was weighing in at every opportunity to oppose the Civil Rights bill etc. According to Kitty's quoted witness, Bush had just started to speak when he was interrupted by someone giving the news. She also mentioned him claiming not to remember where he was the day JFK was murdered. My view at the time of reading was that he had probably been bad mouthing JFK in his speech at the very time Kennedy was being killed and knew if that got out the voters would see him for what he is.

There are several instances in the book were Kitty has exposed blatant lies he told about his past record. Also a person who campaigns vigorously in support of 'Nam whilst simultaneously pulling strings to get his son out of it, is the lowest of the low.

I don't think I know enough yet about Iran-Contra to avoid incurring your wrath with a stupid comment. I remember it happening, but didn't take much notice because I got a really strong feeling then that it was all a massive cover-up.

But on another matter, I do think that it is very strange that this Posada guy seems to be so untouchable. It will be interesting to see the Dutch guy's documentary.

Regarding getting him to testify.... if he's ever put in that position we'll probably see rapid onset Alzheimer's developing.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 08:59 PM
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19. About all I do is dog paddle along the edge of the vast ocean.
Here's my thing about Poppy: He has no compunction against killing innocent human life.

In Gulf War I, he ordered the "Coalition" to attack the withdrawing -- disarmed and retreating Iraqi army withdrawing from Kuwait, killing scores of thousands of conscripts drafted to serve Saddam, the same fellah Poppy propped up from way back when through the war with Iran. Churchill-Matrix may ring a bell in Ireland.

Poppy also ordered the invasion of Panama to "take out" Manuel Noriega. In the process of going after his former CIA employee, Bush's army incinerated a large slum, killing perhaps 2,000 innocent Panamanians whose only crime was to be poor.

Then there's all the illegal Contra supply stuff for the illegal war by proxy against Nicaragua and the death squads in El Salvador -- managed and operated by the then-vice president Bush. Out-of-the loop in plausible deniability only.

Other than evidence of sociopathy, how's that connect to the events in Dallas? Here's how: George de Mohrenschildt was friends with both George Herbert Walker "Poppy" Bush and Lee Harvey Oswald.

http://www.lizmichael.com/bushykno.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/ky/ohwhy/Bush.html

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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:37 AM
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20. From my, albeit limited reading...
I would say that he does seem quite capable of doing whatever is necessary to attain his goals, even if the "necessary" things are pretty awful.

He seems to have had a very privileged upbringing that insulated him from the real world, and he lacks the empathic ability to overcome this. He was given an awful lot of power.

Power + lack of empathy for others and a determination to reach your goal no matter what, is clearly a recipe for disaster.

I look forward to learning more...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:13 PM
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22. hummm......
I guess Barbara and little georgie decided they would rather be in the Plaza that day, than hear another speech by poppy.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:26 PM
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2. I'm speechless
Take that anyway you like.

Peace.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:32 PM
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3. The Bush family is like the....
eye of a hurricane, whipping up destruction all around itself. I love that site and this one as well;
http://www.winterboy.com/dejavu.html
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 11:17 PM
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6. Page 2
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/bush2.htm
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/bush3.htm
Behind the Bushes
+ Nixon admitted he was in Dallas, but gave conflicting accounts. To read about those conflicting accounts click here or click here.
Is there other evidence to tie Nixon to key players in the JFK assassination? Yes, there is! Look at this bombshell document that states Jack Ruby worked for Nixon: Click here. And Ruby was just a punk with no connections to anyone?

+ One of the most tantalizing nuggets about Nixon's possible inside knowledge of JFK assassination secrets was buried on a White House tape until 2002. On the tape, recorded in May of 1972, the president confided to two top aides that the Warren Commission pulled off "the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated." Unfortunately, he did not elaborate. But the context in which Nixon raised the matter shows just how low he could stoop in efforts to assassinate the character of his political adversaries.

The Republican president made the "hoax" observation in the immediate aftermath of the assassination attempt against White House hopeful George Wallace, a long-time Democratic governor of Alabama. The attempt left Wallace paralyzed below the waist. Nixon blurted out his comments about the falsity of the Warren findings in the middle of a conversation in which he repeatedly directed two of his most ruthless aides, Bob Haldeman and Chuck Colson, to carry out a monumental dirty trick. He urged them to plant a false news story linking the would-be Wallace assassin — Arthur Bremer — to two other Democrats, Sen. Edward Kennedy and Sen. George McGovern —possible Nixon opponents in that year's fall elections. "Screw the record," the president orders on at one point. "Just say he was a supporter of that nut (it isn't clear which of the two senators he is referring to). And put it out. Just say we have an authenticated report."

As well as helping to perpetuate the Kennedy assassination "hoax" by turning down Haldeman's proposal for a new JFK probe, Nixon had a major hand in perpetrating it. In November of 1964, on the eve of the official release of the Warren Report, private citizen Nixon went public in support of the panel's coming findings. In a piece for Reader's Digest, he portrayed Oswald as the sole assassin. And Nixon implied that Castro — "a hero in the warped mind of Oswald" — was the real culprit.

He claimed that Robert Kennedy, as attorney general, had authorized a larger number of wiretaps than his own administration. "But I don't criticize it," he declared, adding, "if he had ten more and — as a result of wiretaps — had been able to discover the Oswald Plan, it would have been worth it."

Whoops! The president apparently didn't realize his reference to "the Oswald Plan" didn't square with the government's official lone-killer finding. For if Lee Harvey Oswald had been solely responsible for the assassination, then there would not have been anyone for Oswald to conspire with about his "plan" — on a bugged telephone, or otherwise. Was Nixon inadvertently revealing his knowledge that Mob leaders (Robert Kennedy's main wiretap targets) had a role in President Kennedy's slaying? Was such a belief based on information acquired as a result of Nixon's own solid ties to organized crime and the Mafia-infested Teamsters union? Source: click here.

+ A photograph exists of the Texas School Book Depository while the Dallas Police is sealing off the building. Among the bystanders is a civilian that could be a twin brother of George H.W. Bush.




George on one of his Zapata oil platforms

+ George H.W. Bush is provably lying about his CIA career. He claims that his CIA directorship in 1976 was his first job for the CIA. Difficult to believe? Page 3 will show the proof for this lie. The truth is that he was actively involved in the preparation and financing of the ill faithed Bay of Pigs invasion, as a high ranking CIA official, at which time he made acquaintance with the now notorious CIA agent and Iran Contra operative Felix Rodriguez, a veteran of the Bay of Pigs and Operation 40.




Felix Rodriguez and Luis Posada Carriles:
Veterans of the Bay of Pigs, members of Operation 40, friends, anti-Castro Cuban exiles,
CIA assets, trained assassins and operatives for Iran Contra.
Jim Marrs : During that time, during the time of the Bay of Pigs, while you were training and moving around in the Caribbean, No Name Key and all that, did you ever hear the name George Herbert Walker Bush?

James Files: Oh Yeah!

Jim Marrs: What was his role?

James Files: George Herbert Walker Bush. I don't know if, I think a lot of people are not going to believe this, but he worked for the CIA back as early as 1961 that I know of.

Jim Marrs : How did he work? What did he do?

James Files : I don't know all he did, but he did a lot of recruiting work. I know he was there at the beginning for what we called Group 40, a special operations group, Group 40. If you wonder what Group 40 was, an assassination group.
Operation 40 was a top secret CIA project to train selected cuban exiles in guerrilla warfare and assassinations, aimed against the Castro regime. Apart from Felix Rodriguez, other members were now infamous CIA agents and Anti Castro terrorists like Luis Posada Carriles, Orlando Bosch, Guillermo and Ignacio Novo Sampoll and later Watergate plumbers Frank Sturgis, Eugenio Martinez, Virgilio Gonzalez and E. Howard Hunt. Most of the operation 40 members were recruited from JM/Wave, a much larger clandestine operation to train a cuban exile army for the Bay of Pigs invasion. JM/Wave is headed by CIA official Theodore Shackley. James Files, the confessed gunman on the grassy knoll, was recruited for the CIA by David Atlee Phillips on a recommendation of Ted Shackley. Shackley becomes George Bush's deputy director for Covert Operations in 1976. The CIA controller of JFK's assassin is provably close to Shackley, Shackley is provably close to Bush. Not significant?

4. George Bush

A November 29, 1963, memorandum from FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover to the Director of the Bureau of Intelligence and Research at the Department of State refers to the fact that information on the assassination of President Kennedy was "orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." At the request of the Review Board, the CIA made a thorough search of its records in an attempt to determine if the "George Bush" referred to in the memorandum might be identical to President and former Director of Central Intelligence George Herbert Walker Bush. That search determined that the CIA had no association with George Herbert Walker Bush during the time frame referenced in the document.

The records that the Review Board examined showed that the only other "George Bush" serving in the CIA in 1963 was a junior analyst who has repeatedly denied being the "George Bush" referenced in the memorandum. The Review Board staff found one reference to an Army Major General George Bush in the calendars of Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles. There was no indication if this General Bush could be the referenced George Bush. The Review Board marked the calendar page as an assassination record.
+ So the George Bush mentioned in this memorandum could not be found by the CIA? Neither the Major General George Bush mentioned in the calendar of CIA director Allen Dulles? Even though Dulles, as we have seen, was on a first name basis with Prescott Bush? Was the Assassinations Records Review Board not advised that it is practically standard procedure for the CIA to purge the files of sensitive covert intelligence operatives? Why did the ARRB ask the fox to investigate who ate the chickens, and was then satisfied with the answer? Why are there no records on James Files, the man who claims to be the gunman on the grassy knoll? Why does his birth certificate state "deceased at birth"? How can this man be alive and well in prison, if he was deceased at birth? Did Hoover and Dulles make up a fictional George Bush?
+ It can now be conclusively shown that both Gerald Ford and Arlen Specter (now a senator for Pennsylvania) tampered with the medical evidence of JFK's autopsy and put these lies in the Warren Report.
+ Hale Boggs sat on the Warren Commission, which concluded that President Kennedy was slain by a lone assassin. Later, in 1971 and '72, Boggs said that the Warren Report was false and that J. Edgar Hoover's FBI not only helped cover up the JFK murder but blackmailed Congress with massive wire-tapping and spying. He named Warren Commission staff member Arlen Specter as a major cover-up artist. Congressman Boggs' plane disappeared on a flight to Alaska in 1972. The press, the military, and the CIA publicly proclaimed the plane could not be located. Investigators later said that was a lie, that the plane had been found. On the plane were Nick Begich, a very popular Democratic Congressman, and Don Jonz, an aide to Mr. Boggs. All were killed.
+ In 1976, George H.W. Bush was appointed CIA director by president and former Warren Commission member Gerald Ford at the exact time that newly erected investigative committees were probing the possible role of the CIA into the assassination plots to kill Fidel Castro, Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy. Bush appoints his old friend from JM/Wave and the Bay of Pigs, Theodore Shackley, as his deputy director for Special Operations, the CIA's most important division. The above-mentioned investigations are heavily stonewalled by the CIA, holding back crucial documents and witnesses. Nevertheless, the House Select Committee on Assassinations concludes its investigation with a 95% probability that at least 4 shots were fired and Kennedy was killed as a result of a conspiracy, along with the recommendation to the Justice Department to follow up with a further investigation. This recommendation was never honored.
+ During the preparations of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, pressure is applied to Texan Bill Lord not to testify for the committee. Bill Lord was a fellow marine and roommate of Lee Harvey Oswald on a ship voyage to France. Lord expresses his concern in a letter to president Carter. He writes that Oswald was connected to the FBI and CIA and concludes that the CIA and the FBI are complicit in JFK's death and the coup d'etat that occurred on 11/22/1963. He also states that one of the Midland, TX politicians applying pressure to him, was Mr. George W. Bush junior . This letter to President Carter was declassified some years ago. Here's a fragment:
One of the parties which has blitzed me with telephone calls trying to persuade me to tell them what I know about Oswald, is engaged in a very costly project which allows them to locate, interview, monitor, and influence every single available person who ever knew Lee Oswald--and this, just in advance of the new governmental investigation by the house select committee on Assassinations. I finally consented, not to grant an interview, but to allow the publication's representative to explain their project to me in person. After a lunch interview with this researcher, I was told that if I had refused even to meet with him, pressure was in the offing from two Midland men: Mr. Jim Allison, publisher of the ultra-conservative Reporter-Telegram, my employer (out of necessity, and for the moment!), and Mr. George Bush, Jr.

... Shortly thereafter, my mother discovered that her telephone had been tampered with. The casing around the dialing aparatus had been pulled out about one-half inch... we cannot doubt that someone entered the house at a time when I was at work and my mother was away; she returned to the house, however, at an unaccustomed time... I have been in anguish for weeks, Mr. President, trying my best to laugh at my apprehensions and to see these events as fortuitous ones... Speaking as the man who spent more than two weeks in the same ship's cabin with Lee Oswald at the time of his 1959 "defection", and speaking as a man who has been the subject of the above.
See the original letter here (page 1) here (page 2) and here (page 3)
+ There are numerous indications and allegations that Nixon's Watergate scandal had a direct connection with the Kennedy assassination and that every time that Nixon is talking about the danger that the "Bay of Pigs thing" might be exposed because of Watergate, he was actually covertly referring to the Kennedy assassination. None of these rumours could solidify, because shortly before his resignation, Nixon replaced Spiro Agnew by Gerald Ford as his vice president, who promptly pardoned him from further prosecution. The allegations of a direct connection with Dallas are certainly not unfounded, considering the incomplete official story and the preponderance of Watergate individuals connected to the Bay of Pigs and the Kennedy assassination. When it became clear that Watergate may not be kept under the lid, Nixon fires and replaces his entire administration with the exception of George H.W. Bush, because "he will do anything for our cause".
From a radio interview with investigative journalist Jim Marrs:
J – Yes, George, and let me say this: I don't want everybody to think that just Lyndon Johnson was involved in this, or that it was just the democrats or whatever. I’m looking here at a book written by H.R Haldeman, who was ...
G – He was one of Nixon’s men!
J – Yes, one of Nixon’s boys, and here he writes , he says, if you all remember during Watergate the Nixon Tapes and all the focus over that: Nixon went to pay 2 million dollars to E. Howard Hunt, a CIA officer, who was leading and training the anti-Castro Cubans, he (Nixon) said: "Pay him the 2 million dollars! This could open up the whole Bay of Pigs thing! This could look bad for us, this could look bad for the CIA!"And in Haldeman's book, he says that it seems that in all these Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination!
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 10:19 AM
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9. "A photograph exists of the Texas School Book Depository...
while the Dallas Police is sealing off the building. Among the bystanders is a civilian that could be a twin brother of George H.W. Bush."

yes but not identical twin! Those guys don't look alike at all IMHO

:-)

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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:18 PM
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14. Get JFKII the movie for a mere $10.
order it here http://jfkii.com/
They go beyond the Oliver Stone version in fact they use some scenes from it.


A thorough, documented, criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy. If we could present this evidence to a jury in Texas, he would pay with his life.

Also see the folowing sites, I love the net if only we had it back in 1963!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/01/04/010421_connection.html
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/dead_kennedys/jfktrial.html
http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 07:26 AM
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24. I remember there was some talk about someone ...
re-analysing the Nixon tapes with a new technique, in order to fill in the blanks. Did anything come of that???
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 10:48 AM
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10. The Camera is such a great invention, thanks for the post
I also like how sometimes it can even capture body language:thumbsup:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:42 PM
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17. But...But...He's a Freedom Fighter in ShrubWorld
*******QUOTE*******

http://miaminewtimes.com/issues/2005-06-02/news/kulchur.html

.... Although publicly skeptical that Posada was living underground in Miami, Bush administration officials were quietly reaching out to exile leaders here, attempting to gauge the reaction to deporting him. Was one man's terrorist -- at least in the eyes of that crucial Cuban-exile voting bloc -- another man's freedom fighter? "I believe they wanted a sounding board," state Rep. David Rivera told the Miami Herald of the Bush staffers who'd called him (and whom he refused to identify). ....

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:04 PM
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21. So did Poppy & Luis Posada Carriles kill Kennedy?
No wonder the Bush Boys can't figure out what to do with him.

This could get good now that all these old farts are starting to get talkative. Pass the popcorn.





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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:25 PM
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23. Here, have some of mine. I've got enough to share.

:popcorn:

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