Hey 1960-70's Hippies! What do you think of the 20 something Hippies?

[Up2Late]

I was just thinking, that's got to be weird to run into these kids in their 20's who are sporting the full on 1969 Hippy look.

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. I wonder what 19th century cowboys think of everyone wearing jeans?

[gorbal]

62. Exactly

Alternative movements have been around forever.

http://www.hippy.com/php/article-243.html

Now anyone who is even slightly original is either labled "Hippy" or "Grunge" or whatever. Being original is just so 60's you know, it's so old hat.

[Ophelia Rising]

63. Hee hee!

I always wonder what 19th century cowboys would think about todays "cowboys"!

[Poiuyt]

2. I don't mind the long hair, as long as they keep it clean.

[Warpy]

9. We did. Why wouldn't they?

Shoot, I don't give a rip what anybody wears.

During the 60s, I remember that our best allies were some of the elderly. They'd been around during the 20s and pretty much understood what was going on. Our poor parents came of age during the later years of the Depression and during WWII and were aghast at our frivolity, much like the Calvinists who succeeded us.

Now that I'm old, I appreciate rebellion when I see it. What I lack appreciation of is a young person who is conservative. My gawd, what a waste of youth!

I mean, honestly, sitting in cigar bars, grooving to Tony Bennett?

[Poiuyt]

25. I was joking. That's what they used to say to us

And do you feel guilty about liking Tony Bennett too? We should just be listening to Hendrix

[Warpy]

29. Why should any young person listen to old stuff like that?

Every generation has made its own music, usually stuff their parents find appalling and that makes Mom and Dad scream "Turn it down!" until their voices turn into croaks.

[GreenArrow]

41. why should any young person listen to classical music then?

Or the blues? Music, if it's at all real, and not simply product, transcends time and place. It's a language, a means of communication, and for those with ears to hear it, it speaks across generations.

[halobeam]

58. So true,

my youngest was humming Hendrix at three. The more authentic the music, esp. rock, my both kids nine and fourteen, LOVE IT.

You are so right that it speaks across generations, if it's real.

[Up2Late]

70. I agree, I really into 1970's Bob Dylan right now

Blood on the Tracks- (1974) and Street Legal-(1978).

O.K., I was alive when these Albums came out, but I first listed to them after 2001 and I was into 1960's Bob Dylan when I was in my 20's, but I doubt I would have understood all the different levels of those records 10 and 15 years old.

Great music is great music for a very long time. :hippie:

[Maru Kitteh]

56. My homeschooled step-daughter listens to that shit

scares me to death. Poor child was raised (high school senior now) by a converted Catholic uber conservative bitch who kept her locked up in the castle until the right Catholic boy came along. Now all of the sudden she's got unprecedented freedom..... Woman openly drools over my daughters boyfriend and how "gorgeous" he is, etc. Bitch WANTS my daughter to get pregnant, I know it. That way, no college, no problems and no Protestants.


:nuke:

She's a psycho!

[mike_c]

3. some of them are kinda cute....

The thing is, we had a counter culture in the 60's and 70's. The 20 something hippies might have one too, but I'm a 50 year old hippie and not a part of it, so it's hard for me to say whether they're just stylin' or whether they're the real inheritors of the freak movement. And I'm around them ALL the time.

[XemaSab]

75. In Arcata

I think some are for real, and some are total posers trying to score with the chicks and scam free weed. And it takes a long, long time to figure out which are which.

Hi Mike!

[mike_c]

79. HAH! I looked up your profile...

...and I'll bet your real name starts with a "B." Hiya :hi:

[XemaSab]

80. Hi there!

Ya got me!

:-)

[Wilms]

4. "The full on 1969 Hippy look"

As it was for too many in the 60's/70's, it may be just a passing fashion statement.

I mean, how else did we go from the "Summer of Love" to "Saturday Night Fever"?

:(

[Zen Democrat]

16. "We" didn't. I've never seen Saturday Night Fever. Peace.

[Wilms]

21. LOL! Same here. n/t

[ChiciB1]

52. ME EITHER!!!

And I STILL love Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, JACKSON BROWNE, Tom Petty, Moody Blues, I could go on and on!

Some really GREAT music came from "Our Generation"!

[halobeam]

60. Times are a changin' though

There is a lot to become active about. Especially PEACE AND NO NUKES, ETC.

I'm looking forward to the music that will reflect these current times, that's just beginning now.

[bunkerbuster1]

68. By way of Altamont.

[cestpaspossible]

5. I'm an eighties hippie

is that more or less weird or is being weird just a by product of being a hippie

[Cleita]

12. It's possible. A young relative of mine in her twenties,

got involved with the Rennaissance Faire thing during the eighties. As she got more involved she started traveling around with these people who dressed up in the Elizabethan England styles, learned the folk dances and songs and everything to do with those times. I don't know how to describe what became of her other than she became a sort of modern carnie because that's what they did was a traveling show.

She is married and seems to be happy spending her life camping and living in a fantasy land. Her father though was really upset at first and finally learned to accept it.

[SmokingJacket]

48. Sounds like a cool way to live, actually.

I mean, I prefer a stable life, but being a travelling folk-dancer or madrigal singer would sure beat being a cog in the corporate wheel...

[Cleita]

49. Even though it wasn't quite the same as becoming a hippie, it

was a rebellion against the mainstream and her immediate family for sure. I don't know if she is doing this anymore. I wasn't close to her but her mother and father. Since they died she hasn't contacted me to keep in touch.

[cestpaspossible]

81. You don't have to be a hippie to do renaissance faire

but it helps.

[Maru Kitteh]

57. In her twenties now? Was she like 12 when she became involved?

It would explain much.

[Cleita]

61. She was a teenager of sixteen when she first got involved in the

late seventies. She was traveling with the groups in the eighties. after she graduated from high school. I reread my post and it was confusing. The last time I saw her was in 1992 at her parents golden wedding anniversary. She introduced me to her husband, a barefoot flute player with a beard. They do live in a different world. I haven't heard from her since, but I am sure she and the flute player are fine and are raising a bunch of little flute players and madrigal singers.

[Up2Late]

72. You should call her, tell her you've been thinking about her...

... and wondering how she's doing, because I got news for you, she's not in her 20's anymore. I was 16 in 1979, now I'm 41.

Don't let someone you care about go without hearing from you by saying, "she'll call me if she wants to." You don't want the next time you hear of her, is being invited to her memorial service.

[Cleita]

73. I wish I could, but there was never a telephone or address

other than her parents, because of her camping lifestyle. I too spent a decade camping until 1999, although my husband and I were snowbirds, so our only contact was through her parents who are now deceased. The best I could do would be to go to the next Rennaissance Faire and see if I can find her if she is still there. She does have my present address, which I gave to her the last time I saw her, so she can contact me.

[Up2Late]

74. You should try using the power of the Internet

Google or if you know someone with Lexus/Nexus, one of those might find something, the last time I Googled my last name (it's rather rare) I was amazed how many hits I found of my Mother and Brother.

Also, by now,I bet even she has a Cell Phone, which might show up though a search engine.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. One of my favorite buttons says

Please! The 70s were ugly enough the first time!

[bullimiami]

7. ...

doesnt bother me a bit.
i rather like the attitude. idealist, left leaning.

[Blue_In_AK]

8. I thnnk they're cute. n/t

[Richard D]

10. I like them a lot.

They do feel like Tribe to me. Good hearts and spirits. Fun people. Some of my good friends are neo-hippies.

[Swamp Rat]

11. Vegetable rights and peace!

:D

[H2O Man]

30. I'm not as concerned

with the Terri Sciavo thing as with the anti-war movement. Everyone should fill out a "last will & testicle" with their final wishes .... a living will, I guess it's called.

I think some of the new hippies are a solid foundation for this generation to build an anti-war movement upon. They seem smart, well-informed, humerous, and capable of leadership responsibilities. There needs, unfortunately, to be a relatively small core group of "nationally recognized leaders." The media demands such a thing, and while it is something that often appeals to the wrong people, some stable young folks need to sacrifice and stand up.

Recommended role models include Abbie Hoffman and Martin Luther King. I wish there was a young athlete with Muhammad Ali's courage, too.

[Swamp Rat]

31. Abbie Hoffman and Martin Luther King - good place to start.

Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience" and Lakoff's "Don't Think of an Elephant" are great manuals.

[H2O Man]

32. Absolutely.

Required reading for those who are of serious intent. Hey Swamp Rat, it looks like Woodward is going to be on Imus this morning. I just posted a thread about it. Strange days, indeed!

[Swamp Rat]

35. I'll leave you with something strange, my latest piece:

I gotta get some sleep now because I stayed up all night reading and discussing politics again. Today I start a statistics class for my PhD and it's been 15 years since I've done an undergrad statistics course. :scared:

[H2O Man]

36. Oh, I like it !!!

Good luck on the test. And I hope you'll be joining in the "newspaper" discussion in the next few days.

[Swamp Rat]

37. Unfortunately, I'm just starting the class - Summer session.

I now return to the Spartan life style for 2 months... but wait. What "newspaper" discussion? You talkin' 'bout Newsweek, the Downing Memo, or what? ... crap! I gotta sleep, but there's too much to read! :D

edit: :boring:

[Elwood P Dowd]

13. The only thing I didn't like about the Hippy look 35 years ago was

when I was drafted. All my friends had long hair, and I had none. I borrowed a wig for the anti-war protests in Washington, DC, April, 1971.
It looked so fake and stupid, I finally took it off. I think most knew I was probably military. When someone would ask, "What's with the hair man", I would say, "I'm a prisoner of the U.S. Army that's escaped for the weekend".

[evlbstrd]

14. Frankly, I wish they'd cut back on the patchouli oil.

And sometimes, I think, "Get your own era." But, I could just be getting grumpy.

Get offa my lawn, damn kids!

[Zen Democrat]

17. Yeah. Patchouli is great when used extremely sparingly.

Dousing in it is just gross!

[evlbstrd]

18. Sometimes it'll just choke you.

Clove cigarettes, too.

[eridani]

55. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one

My husband never quit wearing it, and I'v gotten quite addicted over the years.

[Gyre]

15. Lacking fire and substance. Fashion statement vs. political statement

Nothing to see here. Just move along folks. When i was a kid we could get killed for having long hair in the wrong place because it was a political statement.

Gyre

[evlbstrd]

20. I think you cracked the nut.

[frictionlessO]

50. Ya still can get killed!! Believe me!

I have hair down to my ass and its been that way for almost 10 years now. I have gotten more than nasty little looks for it in the last few years, and I live in a very blue county in NY. Though my town is the reddest in the county.

Im a hippie/mt man type though and can pull off a biker look if I feel like I need to. Being big helps a bit, but if I was much smaller I'd take some self defense classes.

Also I've been rolled by cops in NM for the hair/lifestyle and if I hadn't of happened to have a friend on the force I might be in prison even now, for not having any dope (even a roach) in my vehicle, for getting out of the vehicle as friendly as I could, and even joking lightly when the officer began commenting on my hair and pagan pentacle on my dash. Oh no it wasn't until the officer made a comment about how little hippie rainbow girls must be awful to fuck because of the hair and smell, that I said "fuck off" and made a move to get back in the car that he would've been able to level charges against me for resisting arrest for saying "fuck off" and trying to get away which is why he had to beat the fuck out of pacifistic hippie because they are just so damn dangerous and violent!! (This sorta thing happend to me twice in the same area over a 3 year period. I heard other such stories every now and then from other who'd show up on the commune near by.

So cut us newer hippies a bit of a break, we may have been born 20 years to late or considering the current climate just at the right time.

Peace and Love to you and all my counter culture icons.

[cestpaspossible]

84. Also, the idea that everyone in the 60s was making a political

statement, is just, totally, absolutely wrong, in fact, what I would say the 'real hippie' movement - the Diggers, Pranksters, and all that grew out of that - was totally apolitical.... in fact it has been hard to overcome my hippy idealism enough to 'Drop in' enough for political action.

[Horse with no Name]

19. I just saw Bo Bice on the Daily Show

He really has the hippie look down.
He looks like an old boyfriend from 30 years ago,lol.

[Stephanie]

22. He really does

He's kind of hot.

[Horse with no Name]

24. giggle

"I'd do him",lol.

[frictionlessO]

51. My wife actually said that shes glad Im overweight cause we'd be getting

stopped all over the place on our vacation to the South next week. I could be Bo's older brother though!

Bo also stated on a mid season episode of Idol that he's a pacifist!!
I love that man as well, and look forward to blazing him out if we ever run into eachother at some bonfire or another!:smoke:

[Up2Late]

54. Hey that's cool, so you live with a group of second generation Hippies?

Is your community getting politically active?

[frictionlessO]

64. LOL, not now though I used to live on a commune many years ago.

My extended go and hang out with community is fairly active and Im hoping this Summers parade of festivals will invigorate many more, I plan on being very proactive with info and current sign ups and the usual get active packages at them.

[yashuryabetcha]

23. excert from an older student's journal

Where Have all the Flowers Gone?

Affect: Do you remember the song? Anyhow every since I’ve been here at U I felt as if I had stepped into some strange time warp. All the clothes are the same as when I was in high school and much of the music too; seemingly the only thing that has changed is me. I feel like Rip Van Winkle; I’ve been asleep for thirty years only the world has stayed the same and I have become… well dare I say it… I can’t bare it…. OKAY I’m OLD! Well certainly some things are different and I am admittedly caught off guard and disoriented. Wait, this really is some strange dream because while everyone looks like the hippies I new they are like some kind of genetically modified hippies. The values are different.
I’m in my environmental studies class and the professor asks us to debate with our class mates the pros and cons of opening Alaska up for oil drilling. I’m thinking to myself “this is some kind of setup right? I’m sitting with a hundred hippie looking kids in an environmental studies class, who here would have anything positive to say about ripping up pristine habitat for what amounts to about six months worth of oil???”? I turn to my neighbor with a smirk on my face and before I can comment on the absurdity of this exercise he blurts out, “well I don’t see any problem with it, we need the oil right”? Cut to me gasping for air and stunned in shock and disbelief. He wasn’t the only one either, or even a profound minority. These kids are not hippies. The whole retro thing is something that some MBA came up with to sell jeans and CD’s. Where’ the peace, the love and where have al the flowers gone? I am devastated.

Behaviors: Well not that I know generation Y or X or one of those letters can’t be counted on to save the planet I can clearly see that this is my destiny. “I, C J H -hyphen- P am bound by duty and honor, in service to all of mankind and creation, including God and the universe, etc. etc. etc. from this day forward……. am going to save the planet”. Where do I start? Go to Starbucks and get a latte in one of those neat little foamy cups, while I ponder the matter. Are these cups biodegradable? Well who cares, I‘ve got a planet to save…….
We had our weekly meeting and while Dr. C brought some nead journals and articles, nobody talked about saving the planet.

Cognition: I really can’t think of anything right now, my head hurts.

[orleans]

26. i think so many of them are rebels without a clue

(as tom petty said)

[omega minimo]

27. And can you tell us how we got from there to here?

Your insight welcome here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1821041

:evilgrin: :evilfrown:

Antidisassemblementarianism

Somewhere between Deep Throat and Disassemblement Day we read the writing on the wall.
For those old enough to remember Watergate, while you watched or listened to the Rose Garden disassembly, did your heart break (again) and did you ask yourself, "How did we get here?"

Any old hippie/yippies want to tell us what happened to The Movement?

Any old punk rockers wanna say "WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!"?

Any 80's activists wanna say "We tried, we really really tried"?

If enough people recognized what was happening while it was happening, why was there nothing we could do to avert the eventual disaster that we witnessed today, the complete disassemblement of everything we believed the U.S.A. stood for? We all have different views of the timeline, but the general consensus seems to be this trainwreck has been approaching for 2.5 to 3.5 or so decades. Have we just been stuck on the tracks staring into the approaching headlamp?

[Zen Democrat]

28. Funny. Kids with long hair now compared to the 60's generation?

In the 60's, long-hairs with beads and moccasins were compared to the Indians!

[Up2Late]

46. That's cool, I didn't know that

BTW, I was 6 in 1969, but my family took us to Church at the University of Notre Dame. They has a Children's Mass and some of the more Hip students would act out the Bible Stories for us.

Also, someone up thread said that the 20 Something, 1960's hippies, turned to some of the Older generation for guidance, who came of age in the 1920's. I had never heard that either:hippie:

[halobeam]

59. LOL....

my kids at times say, "Mom, you gotta hear this great song!" It is ALWAYS rock I grew up to. Sixties and early seventies. So funny they think it's new. When I play them the original, it blows them away, esp. when the orig is always sooooooooo much better.

[Conservativesux]

33. Love it! Tired of all the buzz-cuts!!!

Peace, man !

[dbt]

34. More power to them!

Saw my first bunch of 'em in Fayetteville, Arkansas, in 1998. These were, apparently, the offspring of Hippies who had gone back to the land in the middle 70s. This group was the Real Deal, too. VERY politically aware, yet peaceful and happy.

The Kids Are Alright.

:hippie:

[bigtree]

38. I dig 'em

my younger son is fully emeshed in all of the most idealistic aspects of our era. The only regret is that they have to struggle to resolve most of the same issues that we sought to but failed at. Still, I am optimistic for the future when I see these expressions and actions that mirror our past.

[sendero]

39. It's very fashionable...

.... even in "hip" circles, to dis the hippies. There is a lot of revisionist history concerning who and what 60s hippies were and what they stood for.

The idea that they were all a bunch of doped-up, shiftless dirty dumbasses is at odds with my recollection :)

They were part and parcel of the cultural shift that characterize the times, some of which might have been misguided but mostly that we all take for granted as obvious truth now.

[GreenArrow]

43. the "establishment"

has formed the lens through which hippies are now viewed, and it's a very jaundiced lens indeed. Just observe the derision the word "peace" engenders. It's a joke topic. "Peace" is often spoken with contempt by those in political power, the media, the entertainment industry.

"Hippie" is essentially an attitude, and the one thing that bothers me about the newer generation of hippies is there focus on fashion, and the external trappings of what is percieved to be "hippie". I'm not crazy about the uniform, the conformity of nonconformists. But, by and large, I find them to be an extremely inoffensive group, and society would be better if more of us approached life as they do.

[Vinca]

40. I don't care what they look like. My only wish is

that they come out from behind their computer screens and take to the streets soon.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

42. this 28 year old tires of the fashion/clique look

i was actually sitting in a resturaunt last night and i swear i saw about 20 different versions of "hippie" walk past the window.

i have nothing against the people, but i tire of the constant sameness.
it would react the same if i saw gackles of punk rockers or hip hoppers, it just gets lame and regurgitated after a while.

what's the point if everyone looks like you?

[bunkerbuster1]

69. There are only so many "looks," and they all get recycled.

Mid-60s Modism, and its late 70s Mod revival echo, pops up now and again. I always thought it was a cool look, but I try not to make the mistake of assuming that those who are half my age sporting it now are my ideological compadres, just because they think the "white jackets with side vents five inches long" are spiffy.

[sendero]

44. And another thing :)

Part of the changing hairstyles (straight from the early 70s, I was there :)) is pure fashion.

But I also have to believe that part of it is political - i.e., wishing to distance ones self from the status quo as much as possible.

That's what it was in the 60s/70s too.

[catmandu57]

45. As long as they don't bogart the joint

I don't have any problems with them, I'd rather be around neo hippies than neo fristians any time. If they want some pointers and tales of past glory they can come to my house, don't forget the reefer.

[Up2Late]

47. I know what you mean, I remember in 1983...

... (this is a Wow, how my perspective has changed story),I was a Freshman (19) at a Jr. Collage in S. Indiana, I ran into a guy at a party who was 29, still smoking Pot, still sporting the, "I just got back from Vietnam", anti-War look, And at the time I thought, "Wow, this old guy is still smoking pot and partying." I'm about 1/2 way though 41 now, and when ever I think about that, it just makes me smile.:hippie:

I stop smoking several years ago, It's not much fun, when you the last one you know still doing it.:smoke:

[yella_dawg]

53. Anything that will bring back genuine hip-huggers

is fine by me.

[ChickMagic]

65. I think they're cute

But then, I never outgrew my 60's-70's hippy stuff. They probably think I'm weird.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

66. Free City......Diggers

http://www.diggers.org/overview.htm

[cestpaspossible]

83. Yeah, once they declared the 'Death of Hippy'

the term's never been the same...

[theboss]

67. I think it's just conformity by another name

I've never understood the "I'm going to prove I am a non-conformist" by looking like every other non-conformist of the past 40 years" attitude.

I think people should dress like the Rat Pack. They were the real radicals of the 60s.

Ring-a-ding-ding, baby.

[misanthrope]

82. I like your thinking...

...but take it one step further. Yeah, the whole "ring-a-ding" bag was a gas, daddy-o, but I've always identified more with the Beat generation. What those guys were doing had nothing to do with the clothes they wore. In fact, they dressed fairly modestly in most cases and seemed to be much more rooted in the working class and the way the harsh realities of the world could play havoc with idealism. Their central characteristic seemed to be more about what was between their ears than anything else.

And the artistic revolution that was going on the '40s and '50s was pretty damn phenomenal.

[realisticphish]

71. I'm seeing some people posting here

with the "they're just posers, WE were the REAL hippies."

and frankly, that's pretty pathetic.

[Chovexani]

76. Sad isn't it?

The young hippies I know aren't just people following a fashion trend but are sincerely interested in the movement and ideas and want to turn things around.

Then again, I may just be sensitive about people making sweeping indictments of youth subcultures because I'm a goth.

The world would be a better place if there were more hippies, IMO.

[King Coal]

77. As an old hippy, I can tell that I wish we had some more

hippies around. Hippies didn't take shit like the young people do today.

[paineinthearse]

78. Let's call them "new hippies"

Because "hippie" died and was buried at the end of the summer of love. I think I was at the funeral, but I can't remember.