What is your "I'm outta here" point?

[Singular73]

For me, its when they prosecute people for owning literature, expressing free speech, ie, when Air America, Daily Show, etc.. gets taken off the air, and/or when they start charging people for "Treason" for speaking against the war.

You have to move at that point, because at the point right after it, they won't let you out anymore.

[candy]

1. I think that the monitoring of my reading materials would do it for

me. I find that truly frightening.

[Singular73]

2. Cant they already do that?

ie, Patriot act, Library clause?

[bpilgrim]

17. and if you are a netizen they know your thoughts and writings

as well as your habits and preferences by monitoring your on-line behavior which is easy for computers to do and store in a knowledge base for inference mapping and data mining all fully automatic.

but that is another reason why they will never shut down the web, it's very valuable to them, the neoCON fascist

peace

[understandinglife]

3. Never. Never. Never. Get it. I will never allow Bush & his trash, prevail.

NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

[Dave Reynolds]

4. I'm staying,

I can hide pretty good when I need to.

[Mr_Spock]

11. Yeah, I'm staying and fighting!!

Why would we just hand the place over to these dumb fucks?

[Tux]

5. I'll never leave

I was born here and will die here. If they want to take my liberty, they can try but I'll take my freedom with me when I die.

[Extend a Hand]

6. We're outta here...

if
there is a draft,
the use of a nuclear weapon by our government,
the next presidential election is stolen,
dissent/free speech is no longer allowed.

[welshTerrier2]

7. we will win; we must win ...

bush and his malevolent neo-conspirators will be crushed into dust by those who remain to fight ... where you see a worsening storm, i see the gathering and strengthening of the resistance ...

i don't criticize those who leave but i do applaud those who stand together in the struggle ...

remember what Che said: "I envy you. You North Americans are very lucky. You are fighting the most important fight of all - you live in the heart of the beast."

[siliconefreak]

8. When porn becomes illegal

I can easily see this happening if the RW is in control for a few more years.

[Singular73]

10. Thats kind of a funny litmus test

I gotta admit :)

[siliconefreak]

12. not really

Considering that I make a living through sexual education and entertainment, I don't think it's a funny reason at all.

[mongo]

20. porn is already illegal

I can be arrested for ANY movie in my inventory. But it would be up to a jury to judge it "obscene"

It's just that they have stopped prosecuting for it in most jurisdictions. It costs them a lot of money for expert witness', makes them look like asshole zelots to most people, and getting a conviction is a crapshoot at best.

[siliconefreak]

22. porn is not illegal

"Obscenity" laws vary from one place to another. Granted, there are federal obscentiy laws, which state that obscene material is illegal. But as you said, obscenity is determined by a judge and jury, so it's not accurate to label every adult movie as obscene, and therefore, illegal.

[mongo]

26. Under Ohio and Federal law

I can be arrested for selling ANY movie in my inventory.

I'm not labeling my movies as obscene, but when the way the laws are written, any explicit sex tape can be prosecuted, how can you say that porn is legal. Porn has this quasi-legal limbo status at best.

Try opening a store in Utah - selling the most benign pretty porn around, and see how long it takes for them to prosecute.

[HughBeaumont]

29. Read the book "What's the Matter with Kansas"

and you'll see why that'll never happen. It's like the Conservatards need these causes year after year after year to keep getting sent back into office. Because you gotta ask yourself - with all of the power they wield in almost every aspect of society (focusing in particular on the media), why is TV, print, film and culture getting coarser by the year? Why isn't abortion completely outlawed? Why isn't porn illegal? Why isn't homosexuality banned and driven from America? Why do we now see nudity on regular shows? Why are porn magazines no longer black-bar censored, as they were in the 80s?

[FreedomAngel82]

9. With me it's

when they start camps.

[nashville_brook]

13. depends on your definition of "outta here"

if things got really bad (nukes, camps, etc.) we'd probably get back up to the mountains or to a clear BLUE area. for many reasons, we'd probably never leave the states -- not the least of which is that we don't have contacts outside.

[Singular73]

14. Well,.

My wifes an Australian citizen...we'd just move to the outback :)

[stillcool]

15. there is no way out....only through....

as a person with depression i can attest. If i had children....i'd want them to book now.

[schrodingers_cat]

16. It would be full circle for me if I chose to leave..

One of my parents found their way here to escape the Hunger Winter of WWII. You know, to get away from the fascists....

Can't say that I would consider it though, not yet. I would only know my breaking point when I reach it. Probably if loved ones got 'disappeared'. I'm a stubborn boulder, but will roll if pushed on hard.

[Eloriel]

18. In that case, you're running a little late, I think.

Actually, by the time we get to the point you describe, you won't be able to leave. I don't think you'll have any latitude.

[MazeRat7]

19. When they pry my liberty from my cold dead fingers.....

I'll never be "outta here"... I will fight however I can including, but not limited to, violent opposition.

MZr7

[Karenina]

21. Had my "snapping experience"

over a decade ago. Got the hell outta Dodge and look on from a distance.
:hide: My EYES!!! :crazy:

[Lerkfish]

23. If things are not radically improved in 7 years

when my son is approaching draft age.

by radically improved, I mean we are no longer spreading "murikan" freedom and democracy around the world at the point of a gun.

If it were just me, and I had no family, I'd stick it out. But no way am I letting commander cuckoo bananas sacrifice my precious son on the halliburton altar.

[Just Me]

25. Yep. Same here but shorter time period,...less than 4 years.

Once he's safe, I'd prolly come back and continue the good fight!!!

Besides, this is my country, too!!!!

[Lerkfish]

28. good on ya. right now, I'm researching places like New Zealand, Oz..

and realizing we have to win the lottery before we could ever afford that. but even if we have to ship ourselves in a box, I am not allowing my son to die for the chimperor or his replacements.

if the country does not wholeheartedly reject the neocon agenda by that time, I figure we'll HAVE to leave, it'll be like pre WWII germany, only those who got out in time survived without either being gassed or ordered to exterminate others.

[arachide]

24. we're going in September

I have not recovered from the election - for some reason I cannot shake the fear and depression, and we've finally decided that enough is enough. We're setting up a fall-back position for all of our family (especially nieces and nephews of draft age) to which they can run at a moment's notice. We're still going to fight, but I've got to get my brain back before I can be anything except a burden to the people doing the fighting.

[demgurl]

27. It is so hard for me since my husband is in denial......

We have kids together and the kids love their Dad. I have talked several times, to my husband, about moving back to my home country of Canada. He is in such denial about some things. He is a democrat and I show him things - some of which he believes, but he will not permit his mind to believe it is as bad as it really is.

I guess trying to see it from his side means that I have gone over he edge and he is lucky I am still sane enough to take good care of our children and not hurt them.

I try to make him see all of our rights are being taken away. I show him the 14 characteristics of a fascist society and he just nods his head and says how other places are so much more fascist. I think, in his mind, every nation has the characteristics to some degree but some are more fascist than others.

I talk to him about elections and he seems to think the only thing we need is a good strong candidate. He said he will only believe they are rigged when a strong candidate loses!!! I tell him that that could be years from now and they may have fully destroyed the country by then. I try to get him to see it my way and explain that paper trails are needed and he agrees but goes back to the strong candidate thing again.

What is frustrating is he was once a member of Young Democrats. He is very smart and well read. I have never been an active member of the party like him. I have been to marches and such things but he has been involved for so much longer than me.

I would leave now if I had the chance. The other day I was trying to convince him that we will need to leave if other countries decide to attack us with nuclear weapons. He talks about how hard it is to sell the house, get a job, etc, etc......

I do want to stay and fight but it is getting more and more overwhelming to me. I wish we could just pick up and leave. I think he just believes I am blowing things way out of proportion while I believe he is not letting himself see the full truth. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between.

[arachide]

30. The deciding question for us...

Do you want to leave too early, or too late? Given my shaky grasp of sanity these days, we thought leaving too soon was the better option.