Symbolman flushes Bible Down Toilet online as Protest against BushCo Abuse

[symbolman]

In the interest of fairness to the muslim world and to defuse the situation we felt that it was only fair to Flush a Bible down the toilet..

Now they can call off the Jihad and no more people have to die (nor does Newsweak need any more White House phony heat) from riots, just from Bush's Major Profit War Machine..

It's The return of our Weekly Radio Show, created for Memorial Day and our first in a year - we have a lot of fun and don't take any prisoners, we're bareknuckled liberals - have a listen, we've got all the formats you need, even an RSS feed for you Pod folks out there (simply download to Pod and go rollerblading, mow the lawn, ignore pesky ambulances, it's a free country)

Here's the link:

http://www.tbtmradio.com/geeklog/public_html/index.php

Please spread the word, Takebackthemedia.com is Flushing Bibles for YOUR Freedom of Speech (I know, when the ACLU defended the KKK who marched in Skokie, Ill, home of many jews who were internment victims I didn't understand it either - but the truth is, if THEY don't have freedom of speech, then neither do WE)

We also did this to inflame those right wing folks that are just calling it a Book when they flush the Koran.

While at the site enjoy our over 50 animations we've created to fight the Bush admin - we've put everything we have on the line to fight these bastards...

Enjoy!

[meegbear]

1. Excellent! Keep up the good work!

[peekaloo]

2. I'll bet it left "skid marks".

:kick:

[symbolman]

3. Thanks!

Kick for the east coast evening crowd :)

[symbolman]

4. KIck

for the late afternoon west coast :)

[stevedeshazer]

5. kick

:kick:

[Fescue4u]

6. Now will 10,000 Crazy christians kill each over over it?

Will be interesting to compare their reactions to the nutcases that murdered each other when someone else tortured a koran.

[ConsAreLiars]

7. That's a peculiar reading of the news.

Any links?

[Fescue4u]

10. You didnt hear?

Apparently some folks got pretty upset that some Korans were tortured in one of our prison camps. Seems they don't just torture people there, they also torture books.

Anyway, Newsweek did a story and a bunch of people got pissed, they rioted and killed each other over it.

I suspect...that maybe...JUST MAYBE that the story referenced in this thread is a response to the Koran torture incident.

I really suprised that you didnt hear about it, especially considering that you are in the this thread....

Unfortunately, Im not smart enough to know of these "links" that you speak of. May I suggest Google?

[ConsAreLiars]

11. Oh, something you heard on Limbaugh

I guess. No link seems to confirm that.

[Fescue4u]

13. no. try again.

Last time I listened to that idiot was about 4 years ago and that was out of morbid curiousity. But really I listen to very little radio any variety (music included)

Just come and out say it. What point are you trying to make?

Are you really trying deny that Koran was tortured down in Guatanamo?

I bet you think that things are hunky dory in Iraq and that Abu Gharb (sp?) was justified huh?

[CJCRANE]

35. 10,000 people

didn't kill each other over it. 15 (?) protesters were shot by police in Afghanistan (?). That's more an issue of heavy-handed police tactics which is quite common in many places in the world.

on edit: and according to General Myers the protests weren't about the Koran incident anyway.

[Fescue4u]

52. 10,000 people.

was my hyberbole. Didnt really mean to imply that 10,000 died in the riots.

Personally I think that rioting over a book because a 3rd party did something to it is not really all that sane.

As for your edit, I take it (earnestly) as another piece of info. Sadly there is so much misinformation out there, its hard to sort the wheat from the shaft

[CJCRANE]

66. In theory

I agree with you.

In practice I don't actually know exactly why those people were protesting or why the police reacted by shooting them. I don't watch the TV news and all I've read are contradictory accounts on DU so it's not clear.

In practice I also think it's not a wise idea for a representative of a secular govt to desecrate a religious item as they are meant to represent their constituents of all religions and none. However, an individual acting on their own behalf or a conceptual artist should have a right to do so under freedom of speech.

[tx_dem41]

37. Did you buy that Neo-Con meme? n/t

[Fescue4u]

55. hell if I know

At the top of this page is a bible torturing incident being described as a counter the koran toruring incident. It appears here on our beloved DU...hardly a neo-con site.

I ask the follow question in all all earnest...what part of the alleged koran torturing, rioting, newsweek story, bible torturing etc etc is neo-con meme??

[symbolman]

16. No

but they might try to kill ME :)

I've had death threats before and it's not fun, but it comes with the territory of being a protester..

Great metaphor, TORTURING their Holy Book AND them..

Mental torture is the worst of all, eh?

Just watched "Inherit the Wind" the other day, old movie about the Scopes Monkey Trial and the Bible - I'd suggest that people watch that one, it's great..

thanks for your comments and metaphor, I'm gonna use that on the next radio show if you don't mind?

[BeTheChange]

8. Didnt you post this same exact message earlier in the week?

The usual way for people to drum up traffic to their website is to include a link in their sig line and post inciteful messages on a variety of topics.

[LittleClarkie]

9. You mean the one

that was locked on Tuesday? Yes, yes he did.

And there's a duplicate of this same thread in GD as well.

Not getting the hint, is he?

[symbolman]

12. Actually I was told that I could repost

so if that's okay with you I thought maybe some folks hadn't had a chance to see or hear our work or show, so naturally I reposted..

I understand that some of you new folks don't know anything about Takebackthemedia.com so you have decided that I'm some idiot that's looking for traffic or playing games or whatever.

Our first year we recieved 100 million hits, I've been on the O'Reilly show once, on MSNBC's Joe Scarborough's show twice - and plenty of people here saw those episodes - the last time I was on Joe the Scar's show it was for my entry in the MoveOn.org's Bush in 30 Seconds contest (one of 14 finalists out of 1300 entries) where I got sent to NYC to meet Moby, Al Franken, Michael Moore, and our pal Janeane Garofalo. Each time I get on TV or meet with stars or folks in the progressive movement I push the DU as THE place to be.

I've been here since about 2000 (and I can see by your personal info that you've just shown up) and have even partied with the admins during the Democratic Convention (as well as other great DU'rs I always wanted to meet) in Boston last year, while we spent the year making a film about Electronic Voting - which I invested all of my money into.

We've been sued for $500,000 dollars by Michael Savage, and Robert Greenwald came to my rescue.

We boycotted Limbaugh and cost him most probably millions in advertising, if not hundreds of thousands.

I've laid coffins at the feet of enlistment centers and stood face to face with the Recruiter and refused to back down - I was drafted in 1971 and am a Vietnam Era Veteran.

IF you took the time to check out the FIFTY animations I've created (and I've won awards in Hollywood) FOR FREE you might get the idea that I'm serious about taking the media back and that I'm not some stupid little shit egging people on or trying to puff up my image.

I don't need to. I have a purpose for doing this, even if you don't realise it.

We're proud of the work we do, and we just launched our radio show after spending a year working on a major film.

How about giving me a little respect.

Or is Intolerance the norm for democrats now as well as the right wing?

[Speed8098]

14. Bravo

Thank you for the time you take to make the public aware of what's really going on in Washington.

I've been around a long time myself and the tone of some of these new posters bothers the hell out of me.

I love the animations you've done, and I've caught glimpses of some of your tv appearances. We need more people like you here.

Thanks for everything symbolman. Don't be such a stranger. We hardly see you here anymore.

[symbolman]

15. Now you did it

you went and made me all teary eyed for the good old days on the DU :)when we'd regularly get 300 passionate people DISCUSSING issues and the give and take if you were shown to be wrong about something..

Like when I once posted that I'd accidentally got Michael Moore to say, "I must have been on Drugs.." while he had 20 cameras on him.. at the Democratic Convention..

I literally thought I'd wrecked the guy, that they'd all use that sound bite and send it out to all the "repeater stations" like the Dean Scream..

Appreciate you sticking up for me, tho it makes me feel like an old man around here, and that all the work I've done (and like you said, it's WORK doing all this) is for nothing, when someone who's been here 6 months treats me like a pubic hair they found in their Denny's breakfast.. :)

You made my day - I got a little bummed after having some folks here get testy with me - then I thought, "Well, what the hell do they know? They're NEW.."

It is one of the reasons I don't post so much tho.. but I still push the DU every chance I get, the admins have created this oasis and it's saved a lot of people who were ready to give up..

THANKS my friend!

[BeTheChange]

67. n/t

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[LittleClarkie]

69. Intolerance...INTOLERANCE?!?!

You're flushing virtual Bibles down virtual toilets. No, I am not tolerant of intolerant behavior.

I don't care who you've shmoozed with. That doesn't make everything you do golden. This is a childish exercise, and it does not warrant respect.

[demobabe]

72. Yes, Intolerance. How about thinking past the knee jerk reaction?

All right, I'll take the time to explain... I was just hoping for more from this crowd.

- May 9 edition of Newsweek reports Koran flushed down the toilet.
- McClellan says Newsweek has damaged the image of the US, caused deaths, and fell short of journalistic standards
- Newsweek retracts their article: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aSz0b2unbOik&refer=us

So Newsweek is at fault for reporting that we're desecrating the Muslim Holy book down in Guantanamo. The message is that we should be more thoughtful about what we report, and not report anything that could possibly make the US look bad in anybody else's eyes. So if we violate human rights, Geneva convention, whatever - just DON'T TALK ABOUT IT. Amnesty International speaks up about Guantanamo, and they're written off as "absurd". http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050531/wl_afp/usattacksrightsbush_050531162937

Now Symbolman and Stranger come along and "flush" a Bible on the radio. Their theory is while the Koran flushing was downplayed and dismissed, would flushing a Bible down a toilet be a different story?

Contrary to what you'd think, some right wingers have no qualms about trashing anybody's holy books. Instapundit said he didn't think there was anything immoral about flushing the Bible or Koran, and that doing so was not torture. Maybe he'd have a different opinion if he were sitting in Gitmo and experiencing this first hand (but I digress)... http://instapundit.com/archives/023026.php

Instapundit also quoted David Price in saying that the Gitmo detainees are trained to lie, and that it's even in their instruction manuals if they're detained: lie about flushing the Koran. I'm not kidding:
http://semirandomramblings.blogspot.com/2005/05/newsweek-lied-people-died.html

So the logic here is that Al Queda are trained to lie, so the Koran toilet flushing thing never happened. I don't buy it. Taking it a step further, supposing no Koran was flushed at Gitmo, we still have had more than a few reports (and pictures) that torture is occuring there - yet the torture goes on.

Newsweek lied, people died. That's what David Price says. Never mind the US's part in invading these countries and the torture going on in Gitmo, people are dying because Newsweek ran a story reporting on what is going on. It's not that we're torturing people and we shouldn't be doing that or that we've invaded countries that don't want us there. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

The whole idea that Sym and Stranger would "flush" a Bible is absurd: Will Bible-thumpers kill liberals for such an ungodly act? Would Bible flushing be met with more criticism than Koran flushing? What justifications and arguments would arise from such an act?

Well, some folks here bought it hook, line, and sinker...

"Childish!"

"Insensitive!"

"Stupid!"

Which is it going to be, folks? Do you want a true free media, or would you rather fashion the First Amendment to your liking?

Saying that a mock Bible-flushing will incense the Muslims is the same exact argument used by the Whitehouse to shut down the Newsweek article.

So Newsweek shouldn't have reported the Koran flushing?

Symbolman and Stranger should have their thread shut down because you think what they may have said or did was not to your liking?

Or let's take a page from the Republican playbook: criticize and castigate the person you don't agree with: "Can't he take a hint?", "Childish!"

Our Constitution is going away bit by bit because of attitudes like this. Shut up. Don't speak. Don't say anything to rock the boat. Don't offend. Be politically correct.

This is how you've been trained over the last twenty years by an increasingly Corporate media that serves its own needs. Don't question anything. Instead, be a rebel by buying our shoes and clothes.

Don't make statements about George Bush. Else you can't play your song on MTV.

It just goes on and on and on... and that's the big trouble with fighting it. We're so brainwashed, I honestly don't know what it would take to get folks to step outside their Corporate existence and make their own decisions for once.

Maybe Symbolman and Stranger should retract their radio show? If they do, then we know it really IS over.

[symbolman]

74. So you're NOT tolerant of Intolerant non reality?

It was on the radio show, and it is a collection of sound files - it's not REAL. No thinking person would even be fooled by the sound files.

I meant for right wingers to get all hot and bothered about this, (Like Tom Delay and Law & Order) then I could point out that IT DIDN'T EVEN HAPPEN. Just like their "Leave it to Beaver" FAKE reality that they want to impose on us is not REAL.

But apparently you are outraged by fantasy.

Worked better than I thought. Sorry that you are upset by things that don't exist, but aren't upset apparently by things that DO exist, like Pentagon thugs flushing actual REAL Korans down toilets.

You've not said a word about that, may I ask why?

[tx_dem41]

20. Not getting the hint at all, it appears. n/t

[demobabe]

21. Hint: The Admins told him he could repost n/t

[tx_dem41]

22. Hint: I wasn't talking about the admins. n/t

[demobabe]

28. Then maybe you can give me a clue as to what you WERE talking about? n/t

[symbolman]

29. Well, since people fought and died for your right

to free speech, why not use that right and tell us what you mean, because to be honest I don't get what you are hinting at..

I'm a Veteran and it was my honor to fight not only for your free speech but mine as well.

I lived in Dallas for a few years and everyone I met there had no qualms about speaking up...

[tx_dem41]

33. Post #26.

And, I never said you didn't have the right to do whatever you want. But, as you aware, Freedom of Speech, is not Freedom from Criticism.

[tx_dem41]

41. "Now they can call off the Jihad and no more people have to die "

What makes you believe that sincere Muslims faith and sense of sacredness in, not Allah's or Mohammed's writings, but Allah's spoken words, would so easily be appeased by this act? Give sincere Muslims more credit.

Or is that just a line for a cheap laugh?

And, please, I know who Abbie Hoffman was. I saw him and Rubin debate at my college a couple of decades ago.

[symbolman]

42. It's called satire

and it's repeated in the radio show which used to be called, "The theater of the Mind" -- all illusion.

You honestly don't think that all those Muslims aren't bothered at all by having some swine at Gitmo flush their holy book down a toilet to mindf*ck prisoners and distress the general Muslim population?

It looks so far like it bothers you more than all the Muslims in the whole world :)

And it's not a cheap laugh, I've had death threats before for what I do, there's nothing cheap about the power of words - I've been sent through hell for the very tone of my voice.(not counting Catholic School either)

But I don't have time to disagree with you so exclusively I have to go burn something that closely resembles a flag, but isn't - which actually DEFINES the flag as an absolute, makes people re-examine their precepts, and SHAMES those idiots that let them turn into strings flapping from their cars.

By pushing the subject, people draw lines and everyone learns something.. there's nothing better than saying something stupid and finding out exactly where everyone in the room stands before they even have a clue as to where your mind is at.

A lot of people want to be Rebellious, but they'd rather someone else does it, because it's dangerous and the pay sucks.

thanks for your dissertions.

Welcome to the DU.

[tx_dem41]

46. You are missing my point....

I think it troubles them deeply. It troubles them deeply to see Allah's words treated so disrespectfully. You think (or at least imply with satire), that all will be forgiven if a Bible is flushed down a toilet. That's an insult to their belief and feeling for their sacred book. Give these Muslims credit for possibly not forgetting such an affront because of your act.

[symbolman]

50. I'm not that arrogant

if you knew me better you probably would know that.

But if it helps ONE of those poor bastards I'll take all the heat thrown at me, call me stupid, rude, idiotic, whatever and I'll even admit to it.

Since I come at things satirically, sardonically, etc and some folks are very literal then a schism is created, hopefully it will be bridged if something positive comes from it, and it has happened before.

I certainly am not claiming that I will be curing the Muslims all over the world and butterflies and puppies will spring from the earth everywhere - I saw some of the darkest decades of american history growing up (age 52) and know how it really works, this war machine.

I'm just trying to create controversy so things don't fall through the 7 second attention span of the american public and more, even one more person dies for no real reason other than the filthy greed exhibited by this most foul of them all administration.

[tx_dem41]

53. I didn't call you any of those things...

although I did call the act "childish" at one point.

I appreciate the tone of the debate, and will apologize for knee jerking a bit. I appreciate the role of satire and humor in political activism. I just get a bit squeamish when it paints too broad a brush (which I realize, alas, is one of THE tools of satire).

[symbolman]

56. I appreciate a spirited discussion

so I thank you for that - too many things drive democrats apart, sometimes it takes a village idiot to make something apparent..

I don't mind being the DU village idiot :)

As I recall back in the 80's when I was living it Dallas it was very cosmopolitan and progressive in many ways, I might as well been in any Blue state..

And Austin was where all the Hippies hung out.. jeez, I get squeamish around them, and I have long hair and play guitar and did all the same things years ago..

Zappa said that the Hippies were being turned into sheep with drugs, but of course a lot of them went to Wall Street, and NOW look where we're at :)

good to talk with you, thanks

[tx_dem41]

58. I live in East Dallas...

...near Greenville Avenue. Its one of the more progressive areas of town. One nice thing about Dallas County is that, because of changing demographics, its one or two election cycles from going back to Democratic judge/county judge control. Kerry only lost by 1% this time and we elected 3 Democratic judges and a Democratic sherrif.

[Swamp Rat]

60. Way'at tx_dem41!

You didn't tell him where you're really from! ;)

[tx_dem41]

61. Well...that would be...

Algiers....Big Bro probably thinks that means Algeria. D'oh, I'm in trouble! :)

[symbolman]

63. I used to hang out with a guy I knew from Alaska

in Dallas who's father was the Chief of Police of Dallas.. we could do NO wrong :)

We would drive around drunk in gorilla masks at 100 miles per hour and a cop would pull us over, once he found out WHO the kid was he's say, "Well, Ahm gonna letcha go this time boy, but if this keeps up I'll have to tell yer Daddy.."

It was great, great Blues club there called Mother Blues where Elvis Costello and other greats of the time would jam..

Dallas was a LOT of fun back then for me, especially since I was basically bulletproof :)

This fellow and I caused so much ruckus on a plane that they landed the plane and REMOVED this staunch republican lady that didn't "approve" of our drunken revelry.. it was hilarious and this was in the Early 80's when it wasn't so common..

fun place, glad to hear they have the local Demos getting in.. be sure to watch out for DIEBOLD tho, with those machines they could elect a freaking DUCK - well, you saw what those machines can elect this last time.. :)

[mopaul]

24. yeah some folks aren't affected by hinting

hint away

[tx_dem41]

26. I'll repeat what I said on the last thread....

This childish act is an insult to millions and millions of sincere Muslims around the world. The sad thing is that the perpetrators think they're insulting Christians only.

[demobabe]

30. You don't get it

Listen to the show.

Then maybe you'll get that it isn't about flushing a Bible at all.

[tx_dem41]

34. No...you don't get it, because you didn't read everything I wrote ..

in that last post.

[symbolman]

39. You appear to have it reversed IMHO

This is to PROTEST the Pentagon flushing pages of the Koran down the toilet at Gitmo.

How does this (and *I* am the perpetrator) insult Muslims?

I'm pretty sure that you haven't seen one of Robert Greenwald's movies he did before "OUTFOXED" and other work, called, "STEAL THIS MOVIE" based on a book called, "STEAL THIS BOOK" by Abbie Hoffman..

Abbie brought a number of abuses by the govt to the public eye through "acts" - he made protest an ART FORM. And since people clogging the streets are now considered to be "focus groups" and ignored by the media then I consider THIS one way to PUNK the right wingers.

Just like my ARMY OF ONE animation - when I went on the Joe Scarborough show he COULD NOT say a single mean thing to me, because he KNEW I would hit him right between the eyes with, "Gee Joe, I don't understand why you won't support the troops.."

I called it a "Rovian Moment", when I have them cornered and CONTROL them. THIS is how we win.

And your criticism is most welcome, sir.

True Christians are praying for my soul, but anyone that listens to the show realises what is REAL and what is NOT.

This has also has to do with Tom Delay getting peeved with the "Law & Order" producer for saying in a show that they should send out an APB for a White Supremacist Judge Killer by looking for a guy in a "Tom Delay T-Shirt"..

The producer wrote back to Delay and told him he had a problem with REALITY, that the show as a work of FICTION.

If we appear radical so be it, but we really aren't harming a soul now are we?

[demobabe]

70. Then it would appear...

...that you agree with the Whitehouse that Newsweek was out of line in publishing their original article about what happened in Guantanamo?

[Inland]

38. Nobody was provoked. But he still wants props for the attempt.

Maybe flushing two bibles, an issue of Ophrah's magazine, and a beanie baby.....

[symbolman]

40. It's filtering out right now

I know how this works, I've been screwing with the media for years now.. this has been on Buzzflash (which has 4 or so million people hit it a month) and Bartcop is going to throw it up soon..

It has nothing to do with ego and it has nothing to do with provoking progressives or christians.

What you said is kind of funny tho, I will admit.

[Inland]

43. If you say so.

Me, I've never bothered to either self-kick a thread of mine, much less post it multiple times, in order to get attention.

Pretty bad when the thread is about a stunt that has little meaning besides getting attention.

And about the meaning: If you say that "it" has nothing to do with provoking progressives or christians, all I can say is that "symbols" sometimes aren't. I can't figure out what a flushing of a bible could "symbolize", and the need you have to "explain" what it is or isn't about pretty much proves that it's confused and meaningless and therefore not a symbol at all.

I mean, there's some logistics involved and probably some christians and people who see a relation to book burning are insulted, but are these really good things, and does anyone really care all that much? The only interesting part is your flogging of it and an unwarranted self congratulation. IMHO.

[mopaul]

44. symbolman is not a maniac who craves attention

he's a maniac who's starved for democracy, and he's screaming, and it's going to take more than two people to shut him up.

[symbolman]

51. Now if only people could hear me over

a constantly flushing toilet :)

WHere's the one where you flush BUSH down it and he spins around, that SLAYED me -

Should be a gold one tho, you KNOW he doesn't DO porcelin..

thanks pal - I do it all for love, I've had all the limo rides, and all that crap and it's boring, the only thing that matters is the worship of DNA since we all share it..

Like I tell my kids, "If you are screwing over your brother, then you are screwing YOURSELF over, because he's made of the same stuff YOU are.."

You Rock Mopaul

[symbolman]

47. Please

explain my "self congratulation"..

Are you talking about all my protest work because you are pretty new around the DU (Welcome to the DU btw) and maybe you haven't even read the whole thread, where I explain some of what Takebackthemedia and I have done to fight this administration.

Are you saying that me fighting the Bush Regime is all for ego?

If I say I bet my house on doing it (and I have more than once) I am explaining (which I don't have to say to the people that have been here a long time and saw me get sued by Michael Savage for a half a milion bucks) to those who don't know that how hard I try, how much passion I have for getting these crooks jailed, impeached, tried, etc.

As for the bible thing, I really don't think I can explain it to you unless you want to look into the whole Newsweek/White House/Media attack Koran Pentagon lying about flushing while FBI reports it's true scene.

It's a mess, so I'm trying to create a focus, outlandish as that may seem, for the subject so the White House doesn't get away with:

1)"DanRATHERING" Newsweek and cementing further control of the media 2) Letting the Pentagon off the hook
3) My way of "apologising" to the Muslims out there for what my "leader" is allowing to happen to them
4) Torture is torture and this may make more folks concentrate on that as well - this is psychological torture of these prisoners and just as bad as sitting on top of them cross legged.

And yes, I know I'm a flyspeck on the web (even tho we did get 100 million hits on our website in our first year, because of all the FREE political flash animation my partner and I produced, all hard work) but it doesn't mean I can't make a stink so that someone remembers that what WE are doing is WRONG.

I used to go after bullies in school that beat up on other kids, saying, "YOU LIKE THAT DONE TO YOU? Then QUIT doing it to OTHERS."

Maybe that was the wrong Golden Rule, eh?

[Inland]

54. And that's not symbolism, either.

I'll just leave it at confused.

[symbolman]

75. Take a look at

Bartcop's friday edition - when I said it's filtering out I meant it.. he has a lot of fans so they will pass the word until someone like Delay sees it and screams like a little girl..

then I can go on O'Reilly again and tell them what idiots they are TO THEIR FACES.

I had 700 emails the last time of people telling me that they were literally CHEERING in their livingrooms when I went after his ass.

That makes HOPE for people and that is a GOOD thing - it has nothing to do with ego, but are YOU brave enough to go on O'Reilly's show?

It does take a bit of guts to do that you know.

Here's the link to Bartcop if you want to have a look:

http://www.bartcop.com

[mopaul]

17. i am so, so offended

that anyone would impune symbolman and his radical talents.

rock on, flush on!

[symbolman]

18. I'm actually surprised

that BOTH of us aren't posting from GitMo my friend

thanks, and keep that wonderful stuff coming.. hey, wait a minute, what's that you're flushing there you traitor!

Oh, it's only a PICTURE of the Constitution being flushed..

nevermind :)

[mopaul]

19. insurgent artists

some people make portraits and landscapes and flowers and some people raise hell and piss people off. if you want landscapes go to the frikkin' museum of boring art.

[Swamp Rat]

31. and photo vandals

HAHA! :D



Sou cangaçeiro do pantanal! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

[ProfessorGAC]

23. Have You Called A Plumber Yet?

Or did you do it a page at a time? I always thought the story was fishy because i couldn't figure out how one could flush a book down the toilet. I know i couldn't flush any book (except maybe some little pocket notebook) down my toilets.

I believe the Koran was abused and/or desecrated in some cases. But the "flushing down the toilet" thing seems suspicious to me.
The Professor

[mopaul]

27. i flush religious tracts two or three pages at a time

and i like to find particularly appropriate passages to pass through the system

[ProfessorGAC]

32. Ah! Now I Understand The Methodology

Thanks for clarifying.
The Professor

[joanski0]

25. Right on, Symbolman.

I can't believe the guff you are getting on this thread and the other one in GD/P. I think that you are pretty special. Didn't you have a "run-in" with Bob Novak? Didn't Novak shove a protester? That was a good story.

Please post more often. I always read your threads.

[symbolman]

36. LOL

Yeah, that was a funny one, thanks..

Novak went CRAZY (and I mean NUTS), I'd never seen a facial expression like that and I've worked in TWO nuthouses..

Someone we knew was hammering Novak while they were filming crossfire in a little restaurant in New Hampshire and when they were all done Novak and the rest of the cast came out to walk the 20 feet to the CNN Bus.. it was colder than hell and ice was all over the sidewalk and our pal said nice and clear to Novak, "TRAITOR!" (about WHO outed Plame)..

So Novak swings around, runs and SHOVED this Big guy who flew in the air on the ice and I caught him in my arms (killed my back) and pulled back his fist to smack our new friend..

If I hadn't have caught that guy (and I lived in Fairbanks, Alaska for ten years so I know ice and snow) he would have dashed his freaking brains out on the concrete and ice..

So Novak and all run onto the bus, I went over there and banged on the door and told his little producer that Novak needed to come out and apologise to this guy, that he had assaulted him. They ignored me and all of us, as a crowd was gathering who'd seen it and they were pissed..

We had a camera there but didn't catch the assault itself because the person manning the camera was a short woman who was behind me at a bad angle, but we got the aftermath, which was great because "bowtie boy" comes out (Tucker Carlson) and starts wagging his little Beatle cut hair around like a 1950's french hooker and saying, "Big deal! He's 78 years old, so what! ha ha!"

So I got close to him and said, "Well Tucker, how about I shove you about 10 feet on this ice, would you like that?" and he suddenly got this look in his eye because the crowd was kind of into maybe doing it so he slinked off without another word..

We all went down to the police station and filed an assault charge against Novak - I was thinking that if we found a good lawyer (we were hanging out with millionaire James Walter then) then we could get Novak under Oath and THEN ask him a few questions about the Plame affair, just like they screwed President Clinton..

Nothing ever came of it, tho the charge is still there..

Later, at the Primary Win for Kerry we trailed Novak with the camera and he was RUNNING from us, it was hilarious.. we made a little clip of it and added the theme song from "COPS" to it..

We had a lot of fun in New Hampshire, met everyone, hung out with Theresa Heinz who actually invited me and my wife and the crew to go to a Carole King concert with THEM (her and her hubby) but we were all sick (coldest winter in history that year on the east coast) and had to beg off..

But she didn't forget me, when Kerry won the Primary and a huge crowd gathered around Theresa actually shoved through the crowd (after shaking some hands) and came right over to ME! It was one of the coolest things that has ever happened to me, we'd talked for a long time, but that's another story.

I got a million of them :)

Thanks for reminding me, and THANKS for your support too - just like applause makes for a better concert, I get inspired to to even more stupid things that keeps the TSA guys frisking me every time I get on a plane, but at least I'm not on the secret no fly list yet..

soon, I bet :)

[Hubert Flottz]

45. May the Evil Spirit of Bob Novak, haint you for ever and ever!

Thanks for telling the real story about Ronzo Reagan! Great work on all those videos.

Every time I think of "Symbolman" I think about the Battle Of Bob Novak, when Mad Bob Novak broke bad on some poor soul on the campaign trail and mugged him, in front of Gawd and everybody. You could just tell that Bobby was an in-human time bomb waiting to happen, because of how he'd been snapping those beaver like choppers of his like a Doberman pincer with PMS and always foaming at the mouth, on our TVs for years. Every time Bob said "CROSSFIRE on TV, the guy on the left almost lost an eye from those largeish frothy looking hockers Bob would let fly!

You'd think that the TV preachers would take a day off from bumming Gawd's loot on TV and cast a few hundred thousand devils out of the likes of Bob Novak and his buddy KKKarl!

[symbolman]

48. Man

you remind me of Hunter Thompson with your writing, great gonzo stuff!

Of course some people called Hunter a drug addled idiot, but he was one of the finest writers of this generation. Too bad he bit the steel. He had a lot to say about BushCo, all of it straight to the bone as usual..

Ever see when Kovak lost an eyebrow?

They must have been frozen ON that day he attacked Brad :)

Keep writing, you have a gift..

[Swamp Rat]

49. I too wish Hunter was still with us, but as you say, there are others like

Hubert Flottz to entertain us with great writing. :)

[joanski0]

59. Funny. That picture of Novak is easier

on my eyes that the real one. I just cannot stomach that man.

[Hubert Flottz]

68. Well you folks here at DU are very kind indeed!

I enjoy your artwork! I've LMAO at some of it. DU is a place where people mostly just tell it like it is and most tell it very well. DU is my friendly island in an endless sea of stinkin' bushit without a paddle!

[Swamp Rat]

71. Danke und einen Stoß für das Gewinde.

:D

[Hubert Flottz]

57. RE: "Ever see when Kovak lost an eyebrow?"

I'd loved to have seen that! Most well to do, old cheap kkkonservative bastids are walking around dead because, they are too stingy and cheap to pay for a funeral! That's why they appear so damned rotten and it might explain Bob's shedding of body parts and his daily public effusions of bodily fluids and bullsh*t on camera! If I had Bob's dough I'd have false teeth that fit and didn't clack and clank like the tracks on an M-60 tank, wouldn't you? No, you wouldn't if you were an old cheap kkkonservative bastid!

Keep on keeping on Symbolman, your voice is heard and appreciated!

[Oilwellian]

62. Oh! I saw him lose his eyebrow....

It was a Crossfire I'll never forget. When the eyebrow fell off, there was a quick cut to commercial and when they came back, it was firmly cemented back in place!
:rofl:

By the way, you rock Symbolman. I've always loved your work. :thumbsup:

[symbolman]

64. Thanks!

It's not all my work tho, there's a lot of political animations by Stranger as well - we make a great team and I think a good radio show too, don't be afraid to have a listen..

Maybe if enough people hear it and AAR needs some loudmouths on Saturday we can fill in.. as you can tell from this thread tho we aren't very PC and may sound like we're crowing a bit..

I think that's because we're basically both musicians and always on a mission - wish I had the pull that Bob Geldorf did, imagine how many kids he's fed, I think that's SIR Geldorf now..

Appreciate the props, when people praise me, it doesn't swell my head, it just makes me want to do MORE..

all the best,

sym

[ima_sinnic]

65. outstanding stuff--you and mopaul both ROCK!

--I can't believe the dissers and naysayers. I guess shaking up the status quo is supposed to be bad or something. like maybe we are supposed to be dressing up in corporately-acceptable clothing and having boring little "civilized" and "respectable" sit-ins. things that aren't risky and that people walking by can easily ignore.

[symbolman]

73. What if they gave a protest - and nobody came?

There was a saying in the 60's "What if they gave a War and nobody came?" Well, now the media is making protesters virtually Invisible, and Bush Co calls them a "focus group".. also calls a very respected organization, Amnesty Intl's report "absurd"..

All this is shorthand for what he actually means to say which is, "F*ck YOU, we'll do whatever we want because we have all the marbles and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.."

But the most sinister of all is to get people to POLICE THEMSELVES like what Ari Fleischer stated, "You'd better watch what you say, watch what you DO.."

Like Demababe said, they've got US brainwashed into NOT fighting them, we have the illusion of free speech but the minute someone does something we don't agree with then we trash them - self censoring public, beautiful..

Reminds me of the Hitchiker's guide to the Universe where at the Restaurant at the end of the Universe they were offered a sort of pig like creature.. it was meat that was genetically engineered to WANT to be EATEN, and it explained to the folks at the table what parts of it were the most succulent, etc..

I'm afraid that WE are turning into that, or else we've already turned that corner.

The media has been used since the 20's to convince people that NO ONE will LIKE them if they don't purchase this or that product, that they have SOMETHING WRONG with them and only this product will CURE it, etc..

SO now the right wing hasn't just taken over the media, they've taken over MINDS and attitudes.

Don't buy it, Question Authority but do it AUTHENTICALLY, really really do it and not with the midset you've been offered, think outside the box..

Like Jesus said (and I agree with much of it) "The TRUTH shall set you free.." :)

If my writing appears a little flat it's because like an idiot I also accidentally flushed my Thesaurus, boy, am I gonna catch hell from my English teacher..