on AAR: Franken says Iraq is the new Vietnam and Downing the new Watergate

[BigBearJohn]

Al Franken was talking about the Downing St. Minutes this morning

[Pirate Smile]

1. I missed something Fineman said. He said something about what

some Republican said to him off the record.

Did you hear that part? What did the guy say?

[faithnotgreed]

3. i would like to know too!

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[faithnotgreed]

4. hi sigmund - welcome to du!

and thanks for sharing this bit from what al franken/hf said
i cant listen to it so im glad to hear the report

[wiggs]

7. Fineman said

Fineman said that Bush was clearly wrong on WMD, but to show that Bush deliberately lied is a stretch. No mention of Downing Street in that context by Al or Howard....I found the lack of mention highly illustrative of Fineman's bias and wonder why Al didn't directly ask Fineman about that bit of evidence -- HAS to be a prearranged agreement not to bring it up with Howard.

Fineman also said that, to be fair, a lot of the world, including the UN, thought Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. (This is revisionist and not true). Al started to counter that argument when the conversation got switched to Deep Throat.

Except for a very few, people are tip-toeing around the memo like it doesn't exist.

2+2=5

[bpilgrim]

14. the meeting MINUTES, the OSP and the SOTU prove they were LYING & FIXING

INTEL.

there are NO talking points on the MINUTES, OSP and SOTU that add up and they know it.

since the M$MWs aren't reporting it our establishment Dem's know barely anything about this and are worried that it may be more CT since it ain't n their papers and thats were it would have died if not for our BRILLIANT Al GORE 'inventing' the INTERNETs ;->

psst... pass the word :bounce:

peace

[hvn_nbr_2]

25. "tip-toeing around the memo like it doesn't exist"

Except for a very few, people are tip-toeing around the memo like it doesn't exist.

Two very good reasons.

First, it's obvious to anyone in D.C. or in the press/media that if this is true and becomes common knowledge among the public, the conclusion and required action are inescapable: They impeached a president of the United States for lying about a sexual daliance. They have to impeach for this.

Second, less obvious at first glance but still pretty obvious. The media /press cartel completely failed, first, in not questioning the war in the first place and second, in hiding this and so much else from us for so long. The media is implicated as much as ChimpCheney. This whole episode brings as much shame and calumny on the media as it does on ChimpCheney.

[bpilgrim]

11. the rest of the M$MW know this is big and are INTIMIDATED by it...

as the players get their minds around this and realize that it IS a smoking gun there is gonna be HELL TO PAY in Crawford, bet!


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on edit: welcome to DU sigmund :toast:

peace

[bunny planet]

27. Little Howie Fineman is a pussy. He never commits to anything, too scared.

He does the same thing on Countdown and manages to be condescending at the same time he's a chickenshit. He's just annoying.

[understandinglife]

5. Al should invite Senator Kerry onto his show on Monday 6 June 2005

Given the Senator's comments yesterday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3770220

Thanks for posting the fact that Franken stated it the way he did. Many of us aren't able to listen to AAR given work schedules.

Peace.

http://www.edwardsdavid.com.nyud.net:8090/images/cnn_crossfire_uk_memo_intelligence_fixed_050513-01.jpg

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq, and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

[Pirate Smile]

6. Tom Oliphant is on now. I always love him.

[ProfessorPlum]

9. So do Al and his sidekick.

They never fail to mention this.

I find T.O. to be like a babe in the woods. He always marvels so innocently about the bad people in government.

Wake up and smell the cynicism, Tom.

[marylanddem]

8. Franken and Fineman angst

I just caught a bit of it - got the sense Fineman found Al's use of the "i" (mpeachment) word just too too freakish. That's the way people reacted when the Nixon impeachment began to happen. Unbelievable and then there it was. I think Fineman is afraid. Keep it up, Al. Bush is ten times as arrogant as Nixon but will fall just as hard.

[LizW]

22. I couldn't believe Fineman!

It is like all the evidence is there and yet he still says, no, he doesn't think Bush intentionally lied us into war. He actually said that "everyone" though Saddam had all these WMD! Even Al was frustrated with him, saying, but we sent the inspectors in and they didn't find anything and Bush didn't let them finish their job! He said he would get another vote fromthe UN and he didn't!

And Fineman was all, Well, I think he was mislead by bad intelligence.

Jesus Kee-riced. :eyes:

[bpilgrim]

10. DING-DING-DING

but he still thinks we must stay :crazy:

he'll come round... he obviously is well on his way :bounce:

but i been thinking the same thing about this memo... and now we got DEEP-THROAT in all the headlines, the time is RIGHT to capitalize on these moments to point to the huge parallels between this criminal regime and the former.

give'm hell Dem's, tell'm the TRUTH :bounce:

peace

[Johonny]

12. No watergate.

Nixon went down because of congressional oversight finally caught up with him. It was a slow, looong process that built up over time. Today that mechanism doesn't exist. So Bush is safe.

[marylanddem]

13. Bush NOT safe

Americans will gradually wake up to the fact that Bush et al. have sacrificed thousands of lives in Iraq for their own greedy ends, and when the Downing Street memo catches fire, they will press Congress to act. Anger builds slowly. Long, slow fuse. Impeachment will happen.

[bpilgrim]

15. if it is clearly demonstrated that the neoCONs LIED us to WAR there will

be a price to be paid. Americans will not put up with it when they find out, bet!

peace

[faithnotgreed]

16. thats right johonny... congress got involved thus woodward/bernstein

kept the story alive and investigated
but as tom oliphant just stated - it was only because congress got the ball rolling

although im not sure that congress wont do anything. it is up to us the people to keep this story out there
plus there are so many treasonous acts of this administration that one way or another it will come out. i cant know when but we can help make it sooner rather than later

[Johonny]

23. Today's congress

has not done 1 thing ever that has forced the president to even veto it. (although we'll see about stem cells). It's really hard to believe that the sheep in congress will break ranks and impeach their own party. I just see no evidence for it.

I have very little trust in the people. The people put Bush in power, the republicans in the congress and have shown little interest in stopping the war. I think the last election showed people are mad as hell, but it turns out they're willing to take a little more.

[madrchsod]

17. Iraq is not the new Vietnam

and the downing memo is not the new watergate.

[bpilgrim]

19. i think you are outnumbered

though i agree, these are WORSE, but they are CRIMES just the same.

:hi:

peace

[faithnotgreed]

18. talking now about bob herbert (ny times) piece today comparing

watergate to whats going on today

oliphant said he read the piece and also mentions john deans book worse than watergate

[bpilgrim]

20. good

once the elite get their mind around these serious issues there will be no turning back and we will see an avalanche of neg stories regarding this criminal cabal... i just fear the neoCONs wont go quietly.

911 never FORGET

peace

[BigBearJohn]

21. Oh, I don't know. I won't mind the sound of SQUEALING PIGS!

In this case anyway -- oink! oink!

[Vyan]

24. No, Iraq is the new Northern Ireland..

(multiple ethnic groups vying with each other and with an outside occupying force all within the same nation)

and Downing Street is like finding the Tape on the Door at the Watergate, but not yet as powerful as the White House Tapes were.

Like England, we don't have the objectivity or legitimacy to resolve this issue alone -- bringing NATO into it will help a great deal -- and we have yet to reach the point where we have evidence of truly overwhelming power. Just remember, John Dean was "totally debunked" too - until the tapes showed that he was absolutely correct.

Vyan
http://vyan.blogspot.com

[Generator]

26. Al!!!!!!!!!!

If "mr middle of the road" Al gets this-then well, I can't tell you how happy I am. I think things are just starting. Jungian group consciouness anyone? Don't give up..the real God will show his face soon. Original face indeed. Kudos to Van the man too.

Dwellers on the threshold.