Ben Stein: JFK was a "lying, conniving drug addict"

[wicket]

Holy crap, Ben Stein has gone over the deep end! He also says that Deep Throat helped bring about the genocide in Cambodia, wtf?? What a freakin' lunatic.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8242

-snip-

Can anyone even remember now what Nixon did that was so terrible? He ended the war in Vietnam, brought home the POW's, ended the war in the Mideast, opened relations with China, started the first nuclear weapons reduction treaty, saved Eretz Israel's life, started the Environmental Protection Administration. Does anyone remember what he did that was bad?

Oh, now I remember. He lied. He was a politician who lied. How remarkable. He lied to protect his subordinates who were covering up a ridiculous burglary that no one to this date has any clue about its purpose. He lied so he could stay in office and keep his agenda of peace going. That was his crime. He was a peacemaker and he wanted to make a world where there was a generation of peace. And he succeeded.

That is his legacy. He was a peacemaker. He was a lying, conniving, covering up peacemaker. He was not a lying, conniving drug addict like JFK, a lying, conniving war starter like LBJ, a lying, conniving seducer like Clinton -- a lying, conniving peacemaker. That is Nixon's kharma.

-snip-

So, this is the great boast of the enemies of Richard Nixon, including Mark Felt: they made the conditions necessary for the Cambodian genocide. If there is such a thing as kharma, if there is such a thing as justice in this life of the next, Mark Felt has bought himself the worst future of any man on this earth. And Bob Woodward is right behind him, with Ben Bradlee bringing up the rear. Out of their smug arrogance and contempt, they hatched the worst nightmare imaginable: genocide. I hope they are happy now -- because their future looks pretty bleak to me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. you just noticed?

Ben Stein has been a lapdog of the right for so many years it is not even funny

[wicket]

3. didn't just notice

But I haven't heard him this hysterical in a long time. He's completely off his rocker! Am I wrong for laughing at his meltdown? :rofl:

[fishwax]

54. i think it's definitely worth a good laugh

:rofl:

[Pinboy]

19. Somebody won Ben Stein's brains... n/t

[NoPasaran]

68. Someone else won his soul

[Melodybe]

40. I guess since Ben Stien was a Nixon aide, a speechwriter

I should give a fuck about what he thinks.

[sarcasmo]

2. One more reason for me to HATE that nasal talking Repuke Idiot.

[musette_sf]

21. Ben

needs a can of Bueller Whip-ass opened up on him. Does he think everyone is so completely dumbstruck by this hoary catapulted propaganda that we will ignore the stinking elephant in the room?

"lying, conniving drug addict" - Bu$h
"lying, conniving war starter" - Bu$h
"lying, conniving seducer" - Bu$h (ref. Gannon/Guckert, Victor Ashe, others too mollified/terrifed to mention)

Ben is such a great guy, spreading sleaze out over three Dem presidents, when HIS guy is the Ronco (p)Resident - "It lies, it connives, it's a drug addict, it's a war starter - but WAIT! If you order NOW, it's also a seducer!"

[spooked911]

4. Actually, Nixon was liberal by today's standards-- but he was also a crook

[ewagner]

5. Rewriting History

Trying to make Nixon out to be a saint.....

poor, misunderstood Richard Nixon......

god I hope somebody puts a smackdown on these revisionists...

[BrklynLiberal]

6. Guess Ben Stein missed today's dose of his meds.

[YEM]

7. Does Ben Stein have a problem with Nixon calling people....

"Jew Bastards?" Funny how "Ben Stein" is willing to forget that.

[oasis]

26. Good point. Stein seems to have overlooked Nixon's anti-semitism.

Stein is just a selfish, slimy bastard. I remember an article Ben wrote for "The American Spectator". He said there was no longer a need for American Jews to maintain their historical allegiance to liberalism.

[Cha]

72. So ben stein is giving them

permission to be greedy lyin' bastards.

[oasis]

74. They don't need his permission to do that. The GOP wrote the book on lying

and stealing. Ben's a disciple of Richard Nixon so he learned how to cheat and deceive early on.

[Justitia]

8. Delusional. He is so fact challenged, it isn't even worth a response.

Ben Stein thinks we are all stupid, ignorant or both.
Certainly, many are. But the facts of Vietnam, Cambodia, Nixon and Kissinger have all been laid out in the historical record and they are indisputable.

Ben Stein is simply stark, raving mad.

[johnaries]

Bueller, Bueller, Bueller....

That was his only claim to fame aside from being in the Nixon Admin. Oh, and Win Ben Stein's Money.

Any wonder why he still dreams of Nixon?

[Crankie Avalon]

9. Ah, Ben Stein...

...I'm sure Nixon, your master, is taking a break from making anti-Semitic slurs in hell to tell the rest of the damned how proud he is of you and that, "really, Stein's not so bad...for a Jew."

[whistle]

10. Ben Stein is just another repuke shill like Rush Limpdick.....

...Ben Stein can go fuck a rope! As for Ricahrd Nixon, Tricky Dicky had his head so far up the asses of the mafia bosses, they were able to get him to say and do anything they wanted.

<snip>

Shortly after Batiste’s fall and Castro’s ascension to the leadership of Cuba, Meyer Lansky proposes to the CIA that Castro be “taken out.” Norman Rothman, who has covered a number of VP Richard Nixon’s major gambling disasters as manager of the mob-owned Sans Souci casino, agrees.

According to House and Senate Intelligence Committee probes, the CIA and mob bosses begin planning the murder of Fidel Castro in the fall of this year. Johnny Roselli and Sam Giancana meet with CIA Director Allen Dulles- who holds regular briefings with Vice-President Nixon.


CIA operatives E. Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis, and William Harvey (who organized the CIA-backed overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz's Guatemalen government), meet numerous times with the gangsters. Plots are hatched, but Castro’s excellent security, as well as a good dose of charmed luck, leaves him untouched. Meyer Lansky reportedly offers a million-dollar reward for the killing of Cuban leader.


Hoover discovers from electronic surveillance that Sam Giancana, bloodthirsty Chicago mob boss and sometime-patron of Joe Kennedy Sr, and John Roselli are in league with the CIA to have Castro assassinated.

When Nixon’s friend and advisor Bebe Rebozo organizes the development of the Cuban shopping center in Miami, he picks ‘Big Al’ Polizzi’s construction company. Polizzi has held such high rank in the mob world that, according to the FBI, he is on the Mafia Grand Council. ‘Big Al’ has also worked for Meyer Lansky, and was jailed in 1943 for smuggling liquor between Cuba and the US. He owns the Sands, one of the Miami Beach hotels controlled by the mob, and is connected to US narcotics trafficking. In the ‘60s, Rebozo will try to get Polizzi a federal pardon, calling him, “a person of good moral character.”

<more>
<link> http://www.winterboy.com/dejavu8.html

[Javaman]

11. If that's the case Ben, ol' boy, what does that make our...

Drug using, still in rehab, brain fried, Malaprop moron* in charge?

[9119495]

12. Ben Stein used to work as an economist for Nixon

And Nixon had an enemies list, plotted to firebomb the Brookings Institute, and yes lies matter...republicans told me so during the Clinton impeachment. Lies matter Benny.

I still think he was hilarious in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. His politics are shit but he might be a good guy.

[JohnnyBoots]

24. Nixon speech writer too...Bueller,...Bueller,... Anyone.....Anyone...

[Cleita]

13. Ben Stein is an ass. Enough said.n/t

[AlCzervik]

14. Ben Stein "Major league asshole" "Yeah big time"

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. He is a flea on an elephant's butt.

[BrklynLiberal]

16. I think this picture of Nixon and *'s Grandfather should be splashed all

over the papers.




"According to Nixon's biography, his personal and political ties with the Bush family go back to 1946, when Nixon claims he read an ad placed in an L.A. newspaper by the Orange County Republican Party and a wealthy group of businessmen led by Prescott Bush, the father of George Bush.

"They wanted a young candidate to run for Congress. Nixon applied and won the job, becoming a mouthpiece for the Bush group, progressing to the U.S. Senate and in 1952 the vice presidency.

"In 1960, Vice President Nixon was scouring the world seeking the presidency. At his side was Prescott Bush. Congressman Gerald Ford was helping raise funds, as was George Bush.

"It took Nixon eight more years to reach his goal. And the canny politician always remembered who helped him get there. So again it was payback time for George Bush. Nixon appointed him Chairman of the Republican National Committee, and later ambassador to China.

"By 1976, Ford, who succeeded Nixon after Watergate, paid his due bill. He picked out a big job for his old crony, Bush: the CIA. But this time Bush would not be an underling. Now he would be head man."

[Eloriel]

52. Fabulous. Thank you.

Goes very well with the links I posted here:

Mark Felt thought the Nixon team were Nazis according to Bob Woodward.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1823117

[BrklynLiberal]

56. I will post it on that thread.

[JimmyJazz]

17. Gosh Ben, I guess you forgot about the part where when the

peace talks between the US and North Vietnam broke down, Nixon ordered further massive bombing of Hanoi and Haiphong. The reescalation of the war caused massive casualties and brought shock around the world and shame to the United States.

Where's the peace, Ben?

[NoPasaran]

18. I piss in his Cheerios

Ben :puke: Stein :puke: can :puke: fuck :puke: himself :puke: until :puke: his :puke: ears :puke: bleed

[blueheeler]

20. He was a politician who lied?

Was that not the whole reason that Clinton is supposedly a horrible president? :wtf:

[atommom]

22. I could like the man if it weren't for his ridiculous politics.

In other areas, he's brilliant, but he went over to the Dark Side a long, long time ago.

[cestpaspossible]

23. Ben's footnote in history will be that he was really good at

being boring.

[endarkenment]

25. Nixon didn't make peace

Nixon waged war. He expanded the war into cambodia. He bombed the crap out of everything in sight. He created the conditions that led to the khmer rouge takeover and the resultant holocaust. Nixon didn't make peace, he negotiated a standoff with north vietnam so that he could 'end the draft' and get himself re-elected, and left the mess of vietnamization for another 200,000 vietnamese to die defending a corrupt and despised remnant of the colonial adminstration we took over when the french bailed out.

Nixon waged war domestically against everyone who opposed his criminal policies. Nixon is revered by our modern neotalifascibans because he unleashed the secret police against them lefty commie pinko faggot hippie bastards. Watergate was the tip of the iceberg when it came to the level of corrupt behavior in the nixon administration directed at suppressing political opposition. In particular, the events from around 1968/9 to 1971/2 have yet to be fully documented and included state sanctioned assasinations, domestic covert operations against
Having said that, Nixon and his gang had nothing on the current set of crooks. The neotalifascibans are a whole order of magnitude worse than Nixon and the boys.

[The Stranger]

27. Despite Ben Stein pitching himself as some kind of natural intelligence,

he is in actuality easily revealed as a fucking imbecile.

[bpilgrim]

28. this DEEP THROAT story couldn't be timed more PERFECTLY

as the FASCIST realize the inescapable parallels that will be drawn by this new and inevitable 'FASCINATING' discussion the M$M will have now and on the heels of STAR WARS even the ill-informed will be able to subconsciously start putting 2&2 together :evilgrin:

that is why they are foaming at the mouths - lol

peace

[underpants]

39. Yes they had cast off Nixon and were (are) in Reagan sainthood mode

They wanted everyone to forget about Watergate and Nixon (heard them mention it much recently?).

BTW_ sorry about that curse response on the Get out of Iraq thread that wasn't meant at you.

[bpilgrim]

43. yeah, they hate it when their dirty laundry gets aired out

i love it :bounce:

no worries underpants :toast:

peace

[bunkerbuster1]

29. Well, Rude Pundit put it so very well

"Down in Hell, Richard Milhous Nixon is wincing. This time it's not from the searingly hot pitchfork used to shove reel after reel of audio tape into his asshole. He's gotten used to that pain. It's not from the constant pull of dead Cambodians and North Vietnamese on his flesh, ripping pieces of it off, only to grow back again, only to be ripped off again; such are the cycles of eternal damnation. No, Nixon is wincing because he always knew it would be a Jew who fucked him."

[spanone]

30. Fuck you Ben Stein and all your brain-dead colleagues.

[Village Idiot]

31. Wasn't Stein one of Nixon's speechwriters?

[deutsey]

32. Another Sith reveals himself...

[DemBeans]

33. so is Rush Limbaugh.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

34. Poor Ben

After the game show was cancelled and the movie roles dried up, this is the only way he can get his name in the papers, or get his face on the TV.

Pathetic.

[ck4829]

35. The morons who were screaming "WAG THE DOG!" allowed 9/11 to happen!

eom

[bpilgrim]

36. Noam Chomsky: Necessary Illusions

In accord with the same principles, it is natural that vast outrage should be evoked by the terror of the Pol Pot regime, while reporters in Phnom Penh in 1973, when the U.S. bombing of populated areas of rural Cambodia had reached its peak, should ignore the testimony of the hundreds of thousands of refugees before their eyes.12 Such selective perception guarantees that little is known about the scale and character of these U.S. atrocities, though enough to indicate that they may have been comparable to those attributable to the Khmer Rouge at the time when the chorus of indignation swept the West in 1977, and that they contributed significantly to the rise, and probably the brutality, of the Khmer Rouge.13

source...
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/ni/ni-c05-s02.html

table of contents...
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/ni/ni-contents.html

see also...

Noam Chomsky on
Cambodia under Pol Pot, etc.
http://www.zmag.org/forums/chomcambodforum.htm

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[WilliamPitt]

37. 'Gone over'? Heh.

Ol' bennie was a Nixon loyalist and speechwriter. Read the Woodward and Bernstein books about Watergate. Ben was ready to commit seppuku, and despised the Kennedys as much as Nixon did.

[PAdem2]

38. (if you aren't old enough you won't get this)

in my best Alex P. Keaton voice: Stop pickin' on Nixon already!!!

[wicket]

41. I was young in the 80s but I remember Family Ties

:) Alex P. Keaton was great- too funny! I remember he told a joke about Nixon on the show, how Nixon bumped into Gerald Ford after he resigned and said "Pardon me, if you know what I mean". It wasn't until I got older that I actually got it heh :)

[ProfessorGAC]

42. Stein Is What Passes For A Smart Conservative

That ought to tell everyone all they need to know about the intellectual capacity of those drawn to conservatism. My dog is smarter than that guy. And he's one of the smart ones! Brother!
The Professor

[bpilgrim]

45. excellent point

:toast:

i'm just a punk philly kid and even i can mop the floor with him and his revisionist history, let me at him :bounce:

peace

[ProfessorGAC]

47. I'll Debate Him Any Place, Any Time, On Any Two Topics

He picks one. I pick the other. I'll put up $1k of my money. He puts up $1k of his. We have a panel of 4 determine who wins overall.

I guarantee i go home with 2 grand.
The Professor

[AngryOldDem]

44. Ben Stein???

Ben Stein?? The host of Television's Most Outrageous Game Show Moments? THAT Ben Stein?

How and why he thinks he is still relevant in the realm of political commentary beats the living hell out of me.

[wicket]

48. yup- that Ben Stein

He was also a speechwriter for Nixon. I didn't realize he was carrying that much hate around in him for so long- it's not healthy.

[AngryOldDem]

80. And wasn't his dad

an economic advisor to Tricky Dick as well?

There was always something very pathological, I think, in the blind loyalty some in the Nixon inner circle showed (and still show, if they are still drawing breath) toward the boss.

[wicket]

82. It's weird seeing all of the Nixon apologists crawling out of the woodwork

I didn't realize there were so many!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

46. Ben, are you lying or are you really that ignorant?

The Khmer Rouge insurgency in Cambodia was STRENGTHENED when Nixon ordered incursions into that country, which had declared itself neutral in the Vietnam War.

It was STRENGTHENED when CIA-backed Lon Nol overthew Prince Sihanouk, whom the American establishment saw as insufficiently anti-Communist.

It's unlikely that there would have been a Khmer Rouge of any power or influence if the U.S. hadn't destabilized the region.

[ProfessorGAC]

50. The Answer Dear Lydia, Would Appear To Be "B"

Unfortunately.
The Professor

[Paranoid_Portlander]

49. Nixon sent at least a million Vietnamese to their deaths,

and at least 20,000 Americans to their deaths, many of whom were forced into that situation. So, yes, I can think of some terrible things that Nixon did. The thinking took about a tenth of a second.

[Eloriel]

51. Goodness! That's so fevered it's downright funny.

What's even MORE funny is calling Nixon a "peacemaker." Isn't he the one who wanted to NUKE Vietnam (and Kissinger, of all people, I think it was, put the kibosh to the whole idea.) Was that the "Another nuke for peace" plan? Sheesh.

[Johonny]

53. Hmm

>He ended the war in Vietnam,

But not before bombing the hell out of northern Vietnam, bringing the war into Cambodia and Laos illegally and then leaving our Southern Vietnamese allies cold.


>brought home the POW's

Eventually, I mean he could have got the same deal from North Vietnam 4 years earlier. In the 4 years he made even more POW's and for what?

>ended the war in the Mideast,

By refusing to give Isreal the Jets they requested.

>opened relations with China

Which has been great for us hasn't it. I mean those that haven't had their job out sourced there.

started the first nuclear weapons reduction treaty,

Well Ike started it...


>Environmental Protection Administration.

I think people forget Nixon had a Democratic congress. Nixon in general loved working with Democratic senators to create programs. His plan was not to fight congress in congress, but to fight them in the courts (he was a lawyer). So yeah he passed school bussing and then immediately got his justice department to fight it. Nixon wasn't a liberal, but a Neocon with a Democratic congress. He was good at working both sides of the fence. Backing popular legislation and then attacking it in the courts...

[bullwinkle428]

55. I guess we now know who

finally got hold of Rush's hidden stash of Oxycontin!!!

[WI_DEM]

57. The Nixon apologists are out in force

They don't understand the crimes of Watergate, no more than they understand the crimes of Iran-Contra or the lies which led to the current Iraq war. Nixon was not a peacemaker any more than LBJ was a warmonger. Nixon supported the Vietnam War and considered it necessary to stand up to the Communists in that way due to the cold war--both were wrong. Nixon also expanded the war in SE Asia and we didn't get out until 1975--when Gerald Ford was president.

[libertypirate]

61. You mean self apologists, don't you...

Same people different fish head.

[Sabriel]

58. Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned

At one time, I actually found Ben Stein and Dennis Miller humorous. Give me my penance now so I can get it done before I die....

[kenny blankenship]

59. No you fucking asshole, the conditions that created the Cambodian

genocide were largely NIXON'S DOING.

Nixon bombed the eastern third of Cambodia to a lunar landscape and invaded it too. That is how a formerly placid peace loving country was made over into a psychotically anti-Western killing field. He ended the war? WRONG. Richard Nixon was the principle cause for the war continuing past 1968 in the first place, by telling the South Vietnamese puppet government that he would get them better terms, and so they should not sign any deal with Hanoi in Paris, and so the war continued and continued and continued. Nixon told voters he had a secret plan to end the war in 1968 while telling Saigon to hold out and NOT to end it! In fact, Nixon prolonged and EXPANDED the war, and used the POWs DISHONESTLY as an excuse for continuing to a war that could not end in victory for us. To be truthful Mr. Stein, you would have to admit that Richard Nixon's 5-6 years of continued war in Vietnam ACHIEVED NOTHING AT ALL at the cost of over 25,000 more young American's lives.

You make me want to fucking VOMIT, Ben Stein, you LYING treasonous piece of snake shit.

[Justitia]

66. yeah, what he said! (poster Kenny B). I'm shocked to hear these thugs

have the NERVE to even breathe the word "Cambodia".

They seriously assume there is no intelligent life left on the planet when they passed out these talking points today.

[libertypirate]

60. We need to keep a list of these people and their words so

they and their kind never infect us again.

[applegrove]

62. Many people liked some of the moves Nixon did in foreign policy.

But that doesn't matter. You don't get to bug the democratic headquarters just because you think you can get away with it. That is a crime against your own democracy. Nothing good about that. He attacked his own country (or his minions did). And then he didn't do anything but help them hide once he knew they had committed crimes.

As plane as the day the whole story finally came out. Thanks to Mark Felt!

[deadparrot]

63. Wow. "A politician who lied."

That's one I haven't heard before.

Not to mention the mentally ill part. But, hey. Good, Ben...keep it up, there. :eyes:

[Lindacooks]

64. It's called projection, Benny.

Obviously those are your problems, so you project them onto people who threaten you because they are so much better humans beings than you are.

[Deja Q]

65. Ben Stein... Ben Stein...

Whew boy...

Nixon broke the fucking LAW. But I'm sure it's legal in 2005 to tape-record your political opponents.

Our society's views on ethics seems to become more fluid every day. Fluid when it's flexible for those in control; and made inflexible for those they rule over.

I can't say anything even remotely polite about that walking filth so I'll keep my mouth shut. I think it's better that way.

[mitchum]

67. Stein is still sucking up to his now-dead ex-boss...

just pathetic
I hate that lugubrious cocksucker

[LoZoccolo]

69. From Nixon speechwriter...

...to eyedrops commercial guy. Ben Stein.

[walldude]

70. So who do I trust more

Ben Stein or Hunter S. Tompson.. here's what the Doc had to say about Tricky Dick:
http://teaching.arts.usyd.edu.au/history/hsty3080/StudentWebSites/Nixon%20Obits/source9

[Cha]

71. ben stein is a tool...he hasn't gone

anywhere..he's a blathering winger.

Greed is his master and lying is his game.

[Octafish]

73. JFK kept the world from ending in a nuclear world war.

President Kennedy worked every day to make this a better nation for ALL Americans and a better world for all nations until the day he died.

[wicket]

75. kick

:kick:

[progressivebydesign]

76. Ben Stein? Isn't he that 2-bit character actor from TV?

Or am I mistaken? Is he some sort of commentator now?

[WillyT]

77. If You Had To Go Thru Life Being Ben Stein, You'd Probably End Up...

adoring a guy like Nixon, and hating a guy like Kennedy too.



It's a pathetic little jealousy that rears its ugly mug every now and again.

:shrug:

[OrlandoGator]

78. Next we should ask Scott McClellan what to think about Bush.

Or maybe we could have Dick Cheney tell us to do a Reagan retrospective.

Consider the source, people.

[BigBearJohn]

79. Yeah, he's SO brave. Why didn't he say this in 1963? We all know why

It's easy to talk shit about somebody after they're dead.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

81. and while we're at it, LBJ did not start that fucking war

And what's more, anyone who could bring about a decade of relative peace and prosperity like Clinton did in the face of the most reprehensible partisan skullduggery deserves all the blowjobs he can get. "Seducer" - yeah, there's a damning indictment...more jealousy, sounds like to me, because who ever fantasized about going down on Nixon besides Ben Stein?

[JHB]

83. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb...

Can anyone even remember now what Nixon did that was so terrible? He ended the war in Vietnam,

AFTER he sabotaged talks to end the war in order to get elected (He said he had "secret plan to win the war", which turned out to have as much substance as McCarthy's "lists" of communists in the governemt), AFTER he expanded the war into Cambodia, AFTER another 10,000-20,000 Amreicans died (and heaven knows how many Vietnamese).

brought home the POW's,

...years after they could have been brought home, if he hadn't sunk the peace talks in his bid to get elected. And let's also remember he put the whole "missing POW/MIA" mythology into motion.

ended the war in the Mideast,

Yeah, everything is so peachy over there now, and it's not as if anyone over there had anything to do with it, either...

opened relations with China,

...after a career of red-baiting anyone else who dared to suggest it...

started the first nuclear weapons reduction treaty,

see China answer above

saved Eretz Israel's life,

Yeah, Nixon was famous for liking Jews so much...

started the Environmental Protection Administration.

see China answer above

Does anyone remember what he did that was bad?

You mean like starting "the war on (some) drugs" as a way to hit back at political opponents? You mean like using illegal means to create an "imperial presidency" that would overrun our system of checks and balances? Like blaming his troubles on "the liberal media"? Like...