The Lord God Almighty Tricks Scientists into Linking Dinos and Birds

[BurtWorm]

That's my fair and balanced take on this story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/02/science/02cnd-dino.html?ei=5094&en=9b214f8e82007e14&hp=&ex=1117771200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

June 2, 2005
Study Finds Stronger Dinosaur-Bird Link
By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Scientists have found bone tissue in a Tyrannosaurus rex that they say shows the 70-million-year-old animal was an ovulating female. The estrogen-derived tissue, they determined, is similar to tissue now present only in living birds producing egg shells.

The discovery team concluded in a report to be published on Friday in the journal Science that the finding "solidifies the link between dinosaurs and birds" and "provides an objective means of gender differentiation in dinosaurs."

The team leader, Dr. Mary H. Schweitzer, who is from North Carolina State University, and John R. Horner of the Museum of the Rockies at Montana State University also described the research on Tuesday in a teleconference arranged by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, publisher of the journal.

When she first examined the marrow cavities of the dinosaur leg bones, Dr. Schweitzer said, "I knew right away there was special bone tissue and it had all the characteristics of medullary bone tissue."

[IrateCitizen]

1. Actually, dinosaur bones were placed by Satan to trick man.

Only those whose faith is pure and can ignore completely the evil scientific evidence will be received into the kingdom of God upon their death.

:crazy:

[BurtWorm]

3. Forgive me, for I have sinned.

:blush:

[aden_nak]

6. Fine, let them ignore it. But make them stop telling me about it. Heh.

I'm not sure what's more amazing. What people won't believe, or what they WILL believe.

[smoogatz]

2. That explains what happened to the dinosaurs after Noah unloaded them

from the ark. Tastes like chicken!

[XemaSab]

4. I'd hate to run across a PMSing

T Rex.

[rkc3]

8. I'm thinking Ann Coulter here - and not too happy about it.

[XemaSab]

10. ROFL!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[unhappycamper]

17. T Rex with PMS = UMS

Ugly Mood Swings

:rofl:

[Pooka Fey]

5. ROFLMFAO !!! n/t

[FSogol]

7. C'mon Everyone knows the dinosaurs missed Noah's Ark (NT)

[sarcasmo]

9. The new slogan for Theofascism

Setting the Country back a hundred years, all in the name of moral values.
Vote often and Vote Fristian
LMFAO.

[beam me up scottie]

11. Quick!

Somebody tell Dr. Dino!

http://www.drdino.com/

[BurtWorm]

13. I can't tell if it's a joke.

"Who cares if some people think it is the greatest scientific idea of all time. Nearly all polls show the majority of America (somewhere between 55 and 60%) does not believe it is a legitimate idea, and think there’s probably nothing scientific about it. It’s also interesting here that the writers never define what they mean by “Evolution”. They need to watch my video number four where we show the six different meanings of the word “evolution”. Only number six (microevolution) is actually scientific – the first five are religious. This is explained in further detail on our website."

:shrug:

[beam me up scottie]

22. No, it's not a joke.

I posted a thread about his "Creation Boot Camp" last month in A&A .
It's here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=263x6052

Google him and check out some of his quotes.

[BurtWorm]

23. Oy oy oy!

:wow:

"Do you know chimpanzees are still having babies? Why don't they make another human?"


Come on! That's a joke! Isn't it? :scared:

[beam me up scottie]

24. Welcome to the dark side...

You really ought to come by more often, we find all kinds of great stuff to mock. :evilgrin:

edited to add my favorite Kent Hovind quote :

"Probably, after the Flood, the Tower of Babel took place. God put them into different language groups. They spread out. Those that spoke French went one way. Those that spoke German went a different way. Those that spoke Spanish went a different way."

[BurtWorm]

25. That is a very lively little forum, isn't it.

I really should drop by more. Most other forums I have in My Groups have petered out, but that one is always fresh.

[beam me up scottie]

26. Yes, definitely

hang out with us more!
Your threads are always great, maybe you could double post the good stuff in our group.

[BurtWorm]

27. I'm going to try to check in more often.

I just started to remember clicking on my groups again. :hi:

[oneighty]

12. I worked for a scientist

Dr. Hermann H. Rahn. I must be careful with details as I was not directly involved in this research.

To make it short. He measured the transport of Oxygen/Carbon Dioxide across modern chicken egg shell and fossil dinosaur egg shell. I under stand the results were identical.

Dr. Rahn was known in the physiology field as "The Egg Man" and was so honored at a symposium in Germany.

He was a nice man.

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[immoderate]

19. The Egg Man??? Koo koo ka choo!

--IMM

[oneighty]

20. Yes indeed

I might add he was a world famous Physiologist and chairman of the Dept. of Physiology SUNY Buffalo.

Please do not offend me by offending him.

Thank you.

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[immoderate]

29. He was cited by The Beatles!

Why would I give offense? I read it as an honor.

Seriously, I hold scientists in the highest esteem.

But nothing, not anything, is above humor. (Hardly.)

Paleontologists, and cosmologists are my favorites.

--IMM

[oneighty]

30. OK

Hermann was a really fun Scientist to work with. We dove mice to 100 atmospheres and brought them back alive in our deep chamber.

He had a terrified grad student working with a leopard Seal-another with an Electric Eel.

We worked with Gar-pike and rats and Dental Students when we could get them (They love pain, the Dental Students do).

Hermann's curiosity knew no bounds.

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[immoderate]

31. Inflicting it, or enduring it?

--IMM

[oneighty]

32. They like inflicting pain.

But some made good subjects in exercise physiology and such.

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[immoderate]

33. Well, that's been my experience.

--IMM

[oneighty]

34. I am stealing this thread

Which is a very interesting subject Dinos/Birds. Hermann would be right in it.

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[Coexist]

14. fossils, schmossils...

take your science and research somewhere else. There aren't any of those 'critical thinkers' left anymore.

Even Scientific American has given up!
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000E555C-4387-1237-81CB83414B7FFE9F

[ReadTomPaine]

15. A decade or so ago the joke among dinosaur paleontologists...

Was that the Birders wouldn’t accept the link between dinosaurs and birds even if they found a mother dinosaur covered with feathers and brooding over a clutch of eggs.

Well in the mid 90’s when Sinosauropteryx was found, covered in feathers and laying eggs, the joke became true. There were (and still are) people who simply reject any connection, despite overwhelming, peer reviewed evidence to support this link nowadays.

Bird paleontologists are a stubborn bunch!

[BurtWorm]

16. It really struck me, as a nonpaleontologist, when looking at an ostrich

at the National Zoo in DC that I was looking at a dinosaur. If I'd been smoking a joint beforehand, I wouldn't have a mind left to be blown anymore. It's the two-toed foot and the muscularity of the leg and neck that are really reptilian.

[ReadTomPaine]

18. You are closer than you think...

http://www.stevethepro.ukf.net/ostrichpower/prehistory.htm

Ostrich are birds, you say, Well, maybe not! Recent evidence indicates that ostrich, and other members of the ratite family, have a lot more in common with dinosaurs that was previously thought. This evidence blended with the fact that the ratite family has very little in common with other bird species, has caused the scientific community to question whether ostrich are really birds after all!

Perhaps the Chinese know this, long before our modern scientists, for their belief in the mystical, long necked, partially-feathered "dragon" is linked to the ancient medicinal use of fossilized dinosaur bones. It could be that the similarities between the mythical dragon and ostrich are no coincidental because evidence suggests that ostrich lived naturally in China, into time recent enough for their having been hunted and eaten by ancient peoples.

What evidence suggests that ostrich might be misclassified as birds? Ostrich have no keel (the bony plate that protrudes from the sternum of all other birds). It is to this bone that the powerful muscles of flight are attached (creating the breast meat we know in chicken, turkeys, ducks and geese).

It was previously thought that the ostrich "lost" their keel as they evolved, but now there is doubt they ever had one. the ratite sternum is a structure non adaptable for flight, and is of the same sort found in dinosaurs.

Interesting reading, no matter where one comes down in the debate.

[BurtWorm]

21. That is fascinating.

Thanks for that. :toast:

[hunter]

28. When my parrots get sick their blood tests go to the reptile lab.

I know that parrots are reptiles. They simply don't see the world like any mammal I've ever known. Chickens are like that too.