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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:15 PM
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Ben Bradlee is not buying Judy's tit-for-tat "journalism"
Judy Woodruff just interviewed Ben Bradlee, quoting Chuck Colson and G. Gordon Liddy to him, with such as Deep Throat/Felt should have gone to authorities or to the President himself! Bradlee, assuming Judy is an idiot, pointed out that these guys went to jail, that the attorney-general was on the verge of going there, that Patrick Gray was throwing documents into the Potomac. Judy persisted, I think quoting Colson, that if "the President" had become aware that the FBI was after him, he would doubtless have acted. Bradlee looked at her in disbelief, and said something like: "You think he would have???"

Damn it, there are not two sides to Watergate. I deplore this tit-for-tat, two-sides-to-everything journalism. It looks like we're seeing Deep Throat being made the villain by the cabal and its enablers on the Right, and Nixon, et al, becoming the heroes. Outrageous!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:17 PM
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1. It really is disgusting.
However, this dissembling is prized and rewarded by those in power. Excpect more of it.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:57 PM
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26. Don't you mean...
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 04:59 PM by ocelot
disassembling? :rofl:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:48 AM
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28. You know, I hate the shrub for many things
but his Bushisms sure do amuse, don't they? :)
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 10:30 AM
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33. There is a word for what they do, sophistry
SYLLABICATION: soph·is·try
PRONUNCIATION: sf-str
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. soph·is·tries
1. Plausible but fallacious argumentation. 2. A plausible but misleading or fallacious argument.

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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:05 AM
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34. Wow, Shrub couldn't pronounce any of those words, not even
Noun (well, he might come close on that one, but doubt if he could use it properly in a sentence)
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:17 PM
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2. They're so nervous
They're petrified that there will be another Deep Throat (please, God, let there be!) ratting out the corruption of this administration and they're trying their best to marginalize Felt in order to "send a message." Bastards.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:20 PM
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5. BINGO...the least thing they want is another HONEST person to share
the truth....like Sibel Edmonds!

Why doesn't Judy have Sibel on and talk about how things work?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:46 PM
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17. The problem is that
even if there were another Deep Throat, the cowed Bush-butt-licking corporate press wouldn't run with it these days.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:55 PM
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22. That's right..there will have
to be A SMOKIN' GUN LIKE NO OTHER SMOKIN' GUN BEFORE!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:49 AM
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29. Like.................
the Downing Street Minutes?;(
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:53 PM
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21. It's so
obvious!
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:18 PM
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3. Feigned naivete...
Why not let the crooks police themselves. They'll give themselves a fair trial and put themselves in jail if they find themselves guilty.

She can't possibly be that stupid.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:19 PM
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4. I love the way it outs the corporate medias active shilling for criminals.
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:21 PM
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7. I know
And I think it will backfire too. Deep Throat has been seen as a hero for 30 years.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:20 PM
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6. D'Oh......am I stupid or what?
It just dawned on me why the right wing has to villanize "Deep Throat".

It's a warning...the proverbial "head on a spike" to keep other "deep throats" in the closet...

the message is this: Look what will happen to you if you rat us out
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:50 AM
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31. That
and it wouldn't look good to the base if they actually supported someone who actually took down one of their Gods.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:21 PM
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8. i especially enjoyed g.gordon liddy's reaction
they cannot spin this one, it hits them in the ass every time
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:39 PM
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16. What was his reaction?
Out of curiosity? Was he talking about where to aim on a stroke victim?
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:47 PM
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18. basically, the re run
he could have gone to the president, the congress. he was cross eyed and quivering
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:21 PM
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9. It is making
my head hurt, A LOT! How can anyone in this country not see these people for what they are? If nothing else this is out in the news. Is there half a brain in anyone these days? Calling the guy who brought down a criminal administration a bad guy? That simply is not OK, it is NOT OK. But a good portion of our fellow citizens apparently do not see this or think this way.

Good for Bradlee, just good for him.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:24 PM
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10. Judy Woodruff must have always been on the "Dark Side" why else
would she have lasted so long in the Media. She really seems to be an idiot...but is she or is she just "paying back" those who've kept her around so long.

It's sad because she was one of the first women in journalism. Now she seems as bad as the blondie clones like Monica Crowley who are there just as an ornament. So much has gone badly with journalism. Especially when they started to make the big bucks and became the part of the elite...the very people they were supposed to be reporting on.

:-(
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:25 PM
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11. Bradlee *loves* Judy. Seriously
C-SPAN played a roast of Bradlee and Sally Quinn, his wife, given by a Washington Women's Journalists Association or something. Ben and Sally, great Washington party-givers, had some of their favorite couples to roast them. Judy and Al. Chris and Kathleen Matthews. James Carville and Mary. Bob Woodward and whomever he's married to. They all love love love each other and they probably all swap spouses.

It's an incestuous world and I think Judy's questions were only to allow Ben to rail on with righteous self-importance. It was for the cameras only. They'll be meeting later today for cocktails.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:30 PM
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12. Great post.
I'm sure you're right.

Thanks.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:36 PM
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13. That is one sick vision!
:puke:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:38 PM
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14. It's the "anti-bias" bias tilting the media right again.
(Or is it just flat out right-wing bias? :eyes: )
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:39 PM
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15. the deep throat revelation has highlighted the fallacy of "balance"
more than any issue in my recent memory. It's flat-out bizarre hearing these tit for tat debates about deep throat, where colson and g. gordon liddy get to act self-righteous, as if they are telling an equally credible side of the story. Sheesh.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:49 PM
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19. true colors shinning through
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:52 PM
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20. judy goes out whimpering..
why isn't that whore retired?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:56 PM
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23. There is no tit-for-tat on Repub issues. Remember the pre-war coverage
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 03:56 PM by underpants
what was it out of 393 people espousing an opinion on MSM pro or against the war in Iraq 3 yes THREE were anti-war or at least thought it was the dumbest thing they had ever heard of. No tit-for-tat there.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:58 PM
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24. Bradlee said the same thing on Nightline
he was great!

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:41 PM
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25. I couldn't agree more -- giving moral equivalency to EVERY side
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 04:43 PM by Eloriel
when clearly there is such a thing as objective truth about some things (not just "spin" on both sides) and a RIGHT and a WRONG side.

I am sickened that journalism has come to this.

Not too long ago, some time after the Swift Boat Liars charade, I remember Ted Koppel on his show answering someone (gosh, was it Jon Stewart?? Memory fades...) with the notion that it WAS "news" that these guys had made those charges against Kerry.

Do you know (of course you do) what that makes any news organization that subscribes to such a notion? A rumormill and gossip column -- except I think most gossip columns have required stronger substantiation and sourcing than that. I was aghast and appalled, not that I should've been.

Edited to add: There are many great analyses and critiques of contemporary journalism, but this one really captured my fancy not long ago:
The Influence of Fools: Why Liberals are mad at the MSM
by John Atcheson
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views05/0510-29.htm
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:25 PM
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27. Now there is another amazing Octogenarian. Man we got to clone these
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 05:25 PM by applegrove
people (the whole generation). They went through shit and came out ADULTS!

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:50 AM
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30. And yet there are still some who claim the newsmedia is NOT the problem.
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 08:52 AM by blm
It IS when 80% of the American people get their information from them and that so-called information is supposed to guide their vote.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:55 AM
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32. I thought WoofWoof was going to be out of our lives
when will we get that blessed event?
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