NYTimes: "Growing Problem for Military Recruiters: Parents" - Bravo!

[understandinglife]

By DAMIEN CAVE
Published: June 3, 2005

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Two years into the war in Iraq, as the Army and Marines struggle to refill their ranks, parents have become boulders of opposition that recruiters cannot move.

Mothers and fathers around the country said they were terrified that their children would have to be killed - or kill - in a war that many see as unnecessary and without end.

Around the dinner table, many parents said, they are discouraging their children from serving.

At schools, they are insisting that recruiters be kept away, incensed at the access that they have to adolescents easily dazzled by incentive packages and flashy equipment.

The wedge is in place and it is beginning to open a very large fissure that Bush and his neoconster buddies are not going to be able to repair or survive.

Any mention of 'draft,' now, will only accelerate their demise.

We have all the evidence of mendacity and illegal war-making we need to indict and prosecute Bush, Blair and every other neoconster scum-bag on the planet having any involvement in the Bush's illegal war on Iraq and all the torture and other atrocities that have been committed since August 2002.

Peace.

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www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq, and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

[War Pigs]

1. Let the 59 million assholes send their kids. Quit being hypocrites, Red

voters. We should be turning people away, not running short.:puke:

[mermaid]

5. Oh, No...You Don't Understand....

fighting a war is only for the POOR...the disenfranchised...the UNDERCLASS...THEIR kids are too precious and good to be in a war!! They believe in and support the war only as long as it is OTHER PEOPLE'S kids who are being KILLED!!!

[Shallah Kali]

10. 'Why are you letting other's children fight and die for your cause?'

Can you imagine an ad demanding the war mongers answer that question? It could have people acting out the various excuses. "I support the war but my kid is too smart to die over there."

[mermaid]

12. Excellent Idea!!

Too smart, my ass...more like, too chickenshit...and too privileged...to die over there.

I'd love to hear them own up to it...

No, not MY kid...MY kid is born of privilege...fighting wars is only for the poor...


Politicans hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight
They leave that all to the poor, yeah!

-excerpt from "War Pigs" by Black Sabbath

[Kansas Wyatt]

13. In all fairness to the "59 million"...

A portion of that number may only exist in the software of the central tabulators or the circuit boards of voting machines.

However, military recruiters may find it easier to recruit by getting the Republican Party to provide them with their registry, so the they can focus on people who proudly support and are in favor of the war in Iraq.

[City Lights]

15. Exactly. Let those who voted for this crap send their kids first.

Think back to the Hardball college tour last fall and how many students were gung-ho for chimpy's war until Matthews asked them why they haven't signed on yet. :crickets: Hypocrites.

My cousin is one of the hypocrites. His eldest is a sophmore in a "Christian" school and wants to become a lawyer. When I heard this I wondered why this kid wasn't signing up for the military after graduating from high school. Half my extended family makes my skin crawl. :grr:

[FreedomAngel82]

21. Oh wow

That's really telling No Surrender. Especially at a rally where they were pumping up war. :crazy: I'd love to see a video of that.

[chalky]

2. Is there a link to the article?

I'd like to read the rest.

[understandinglife]

8. I apologize; here is the link!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/03/nyregion/03recruit.html?hp&ex=1117857600&en=7488119338909c3e&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Front page of the NYTimes website.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[Erika]

3. Yeah, my rich GOP friend is scared

She's building a new house, ready to vacation in St. Thomas, and doesn't want her 20 year old boy in Iraq. He, like Cheney, has other priorities right now. He's going to college and racing cars in the local speedway. She can't imagine him going to Iraq.

Of course, when you ask her if others should volunteer for Iraq duty, she finds something else to do and doesn't answer.

[rocktivity]

9. Your friend has nothing to fear from a special skills draft

Her son races cars at the local speedway? Guess what--having a driver's license is a special skill!

:headbang:
rocknation

[mermaid]

4. Fuckin' GREAT!!!

Yea, parents!!

Fuckin' dirty scumbag recruiters! Is there NO level to which these assholes won't stoop to try and snooker young kids into signing up to die for an illegal war and big oil's bottom line??

Parents ROCK!!

Man, if I had any kids, I swear to God I'd be telling them every DAY...not to sign ANYTHING a scumbag recruiter gives them...I'd make sure my kids were OFF-LIMITS to recruiters, and, so help me, if there ever was a draft, I'd send my son to the induction in a dress...I'd send my daughter with a female friend that she's real close with, and comfortable with...and make sure they French-kiss just before walking in the door together, holding hands.

Fuck the military!!

NO...do not misread this...I support the TROOPS, all the way, and say we oughta bring them home. The troops got lied to and tricked into this bullshit. No, when I say "fuck the military" I mean the recruiters, the brass, the commanders in Cheif...the ones who KNOW that they are gonna get our kids killed, and they don't give a shit, either!

[true_notes]

7. Top Brass ARE souless bastards...

You can see it when they are giving speeches. Their eyes look empty and words are coarse and false. Recruiters reflect this, although the recruiter I had was very up front with me and told me what to expect. Everything he had said so far has come true, and I respect PO1 Beasley for that. There are some good recruiters out there, and they are hitching the bad name.

The brass on the other hand, are only politicians in uniform. Lies, and sending boys and girls to die. Great times great times.

[Mizmoon]

14. You've got to be careful with kids

if you tell them every day not to do something, they will nearly certainly do it :)

edit spelling

[Ruffhowse]

6. Ha ha!! BushCo is really between a rock and a hard place now.

They will continue to have recruitment shortages and be forced into a draft that will kill them politically. And even a draft won't solve their numbers problems. People will quickly realize that all you have to do to dodge the draft is claim you are Gay. We will see a HUGE increase in those who claim to be Gay or Lesbian, much to the chagrin of the Fundy wing of BushCo.

[lonestarnot]

11. Yeah this is fooking great, but THE DRAFT AIN'T GONA BE!

[mermaid]

16. Don't Be So Sure

They will find ways, as they have, so far...to "back-door draft." They will have a draft, but they won't CALL it a draft, see.

It's like how they raise taxes, but they don't CALL them taxes. They call them "fees." As in fee-for-service. Brain check, folks...any time you pay ANYTHING to any government...it is a TAX...regardless of what they CALL it.

And any time anyone serves involuntarily in a war, in the military...it is a DRAFT, regardless of what they call it!

Already they do some things which can be considered "drafting..."

They are enforcing "stop-loss" by refusing to allow soldiers to leave when their time is up. They are keeping people in Iraq beyond their promised come-home date. They are threatening Stateside-stationed soldiers who are about to be finished with their service to re-up NOW...or be re-assigned to a unit going to Iraq...and thus be subject to the "stop-loss" orders. These things are already happening!

Now...how else can we DRAFT people without calling it a "draft??"

We can give convicted criminals a choice: Jail time or Iraq. We can even go after people we disagree with, politically, and trump up charges against them, get them falsely convicted, and then give them the choice, Jail or Iraq!

Betcha it won't be long till we see it!

What else can my mind come up with, when I force myself to think like a Republican??

Lessee...the bankruptcy bill is in effect...Can't pay your bills? Well, we have Debtor's Prison available for you...orrrrrrr....you can go to Iraq and work off your debt!!

See? Lots of ways to have a draft without CALLING it a draft. so don't be so sure ther WON'T be a "draft." There is, already...and they will find new wrinkles to add to it. They just won't CALL it a draft.

ON EDIT: They are also re-calling already retired Guardsmen, and re-activating them against their will. This could also be considered "drafting." They just don't CALL it drafting...they call this using the reactivation clause.

[lonestarnot]

18. I agree we already have a draft that is not referred to in the proper form

But I am talking about a REAL DRAFT...It is going to happen.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. I agree

They will have to do something. But what? I think they will either do a) another attack to get people to get "revenge" like after 9/11 or b) have a draft in secret to where people don't know about it until it's too late. This is the key to them owning the media. They don't have to have it reported. Bush won't announce about it I don't think but he'll do something to get people to join. What is the mystery. :\

[kenny blankenship]

17. Parents love their children --an obstacle to overcome!

The parents simply need to be conditioned to believe that it's natural for children to die before their parents,:
Woodruff: "But isn't it true, Senator Cleland, as the Secretary of Religion just said, that for most of human existence parents were lucky if 1 of their 10 children survived them? Isn't this breeding program --forced breeding as you put it so distastefully-- really a constant of western civilization and, in fact, necessary if the White Christian Homeland is to survive the onslaught of an ever growing thirdworld population?"

They simply need to have Disney and AOL and CNN to explain to them that it's patriotic to breed kamikaze warriors for the gasoline they NEED to put in their SUVs. You have seven kids, you sacrifice four to the permanent War to Liberate Oilistan, that still leaves three to breed after you're gone. Add it all up and you still come out way ahead! And with all those troops to ferry to school and bayonet practice, you're going to need that SUV!

[chalky]

19. Looks like they're following your advice.

In response, the Army has rolled out a campaign aimed at parents, with television ads and a Web site that includes videos of parents talking about why they supported their children's decision to enlist.

But THIS bit of Orwellian crap really killed me:

"They don't realize that they have a role in helping make the all-volunteer force successful," said Colonel Slotwinski, who retired in 2004. "If you don't, you're faced with the alternative, and the alternative is what they were opposed to the most, mandatory service."

In other words, "Either sacrifice YOUR kid, or ALL the kids will be sacrificed."

:grr:

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. D-R-A-F-T.

That's the only way they will be able to get anyone to die in the chimp's illegal war.

[understandinglife]

23. You are correct & that is the lethal pill the neoconsters are soon ...

.... going to have to swallow.

They have synthesized their own poison, their very destruction.

Peace.


Emad Hajjaj, Al-Ghad Newspaper, Amman, Jordan

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq, and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."