The break - the new 'deep throat' if you will - will be from the military

[Stinky The Clown]

Mr. Felt's self outing has made me again consider where the break in the dam will come. The administration's insiders are all incredibly loyal, and that group is locked down tight.

Some of the RNC top brass are also insiders, so they're part of the lock down group. The rest of the RNC? Clueless syncophants.

The Efungelicals? They're a side show and not part of the equation.

The FBI? Not a chance. Too much of a 'company man' mentality among those who might be in some level of 'the know'. While not insiders, they may have something to share with the country. But even if they chose to, it wouldn't be enough. The cabal has established their own parallel organizations to do the work they would traditionally have had done by the likes of the FBI. Nobody in the FBI today is really an insider.

The Secret Service? Not a chance. These people live and die 'discretion'. In our entire history, not a one of them have ever leaked even a whimper of they've seen. It won't happen now.

The CIA? Now here the worm could well turn. While there's a company man at the top, and he's replaced many of the 'middlers' with other loyalists, there's just too many people who were hired for exactly the same trait that may cause then to turn when abused. They're ..... what's the right word? ...... rogue? No, not exactly. But you know what I mean. So this is a possibility. Especially some of the ones who got their walking papers in Porter Goss' 'Night of the Long Knives" exercise a year or so ago.

The Military? Here's where my money is. The military was lionized by these bastards. But even as they were being lionized, so were they being abused and abused badly. There are many pissed off veterans. There are many leaving the military to join these same veterans. Kerry had a bunch of high level retirees on the stage with him. Guys (and women) who held pretty high positions. Like former CJCS. Guys with friends still on the inside. These people were not anomalies. There are more like them. It just takes one or two.

This Sunday, some military lawyers are going on 60 Minutes to talk about the bullshit that is Gitmo. Abu Gharib is still smoldering. Cuts in VA benefits. Pay inequities. Rumsfeld's tyrannical rule (and overrule) of the military brass, and his inability to accept blame for anything, preferring instead to heap it on the military.

Even if a true sense of patriotism and honor doesn't drive some 4-star to speak clearly, the delicious taste of sweet revenge might. More likely, it will be a combination of the two.

And it won't be a whispered leak to some cub reporter after reading the position of a flag in a flower pot. It will be a brave soldier standing in the glare of television lights speaking truth to usurped power.

God help us all. This cannot happen too soon.

[Skink]

1. Whatever it is it still won't be covered.

:argh:

[noamnety]

2. I believe you're right

Us military folk get cranky when the commander gives illegal orders. And even crankier when the commander denies any knowledge of the order afterwards, and blames the troops.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. All I can tell you we may see soemthing unprecedented

in US history... can you say civil war (we had that), but what about a Coup?

[Stinky The Clown]

7. Funny you mention that .......

I have actually thought that through just a bit. I homestly think it unlikely. But I don't rule it out completely. I suspect the military is pretty fractuous - and factious - these days. There's no doubt there are administration syncophants (can you say Tommy Franks, even though he was abused by Rumsfeld before the war ... go figure). But there have to be many, many of them who just won't be able to deal with this much more.

These are people trained to take orders and execute a mission. All they ask in return is the tools and manpower to do it. They've gotten neither from this bunch, instead getting blame for the cabal's failures. They're also largely very pro country. Patriots, if you will. And they have to know just as we do that this group is neither pro America nor patriotic. An overhwlming sense of duty could drive us to a coup.

And while I hope it never comes to this, if a coup were to happen, people on our side of the spectrum would be the beneficiaries.

[notadmblnd]

4. you may be onto something.. considering I read this earlier

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1827597

[Stinky The Clown]

8. I can see the cabal replacing him with a more warm and fuzzy type

as a way to placate an ever growing displeasure among our uniformed cadre. I suspect, at this point, it could easily be too little, too late.

The military brass aren't dummies. They can see a scam. Replacing Rummy could have to opposite effect .... giving them (any disgruntled military brass) the freedom to marshall their forces and go public.

[Booster]

5. The new deep throat has been screaming her head off about

this administration: Sibel Edmonds. (God, I hope I got her name right)

[Stinky The Clown]

9. She's a brave woman and she's been saying the right thing

But the fact is, she's a 'middler'. I truly honor her and her clarion call for righteous indignation and for a true investigation, but she's really small potatoes. She'll only be effective as a corroborator when a really high level person speaks out.

[hootinholler]

14. Unfortunately, they have her gagged...

and she's seemingly the only one who's not an insider to have her special knowledge.

We need a way to let her speak, she wants to.

-Hoot

[Stinky The Clown]

16. I completely agree

If only they'd allow it ..... or we can force it in congress, somehow.

[Pryderi]

19. Can John Conyers force Sibel Edmonds to speak?

[Stinky The Clown]

21. I'm not sure. I think it needs to be bipartisan or only the leadership

can empower a panel with subpoena power.

Any congressional scholars know the answer to that?

[hootinholler]

24. I thought it had to be the court

that imposed the order, or one of the appeals courts in its chain.

I don't think that congress can over-ride it, unless they pass a law specifically for her case, which would have to be veto proof.

Gag orders to keep evidence of wrongdoing suppressed should be illegal.

-Hoot

[Stinky The Clown]

26. That makes sense ....... I'm sure if there was some way

for the congressional minority to get her to speak, it would already have happened.

[hootinholler]

27. Funny that she did testify in closed session

at the 911 commission. She wasn't able to tell all there. All her allegations in that testimony were supported by the IG office. Yet nothing happens.

-Hoot

[babylonsister]

6. From your lips... I hope you're right. And it can't

happen too soon. I just hope there's someone out there who is fed up enough to fess up.

[Stinky The Clown]

10. I'm actually hoping one of the recent hgh level retirees can coax a

new retiree or one ready to retire into speaking up. People like Wes Clark, Tony McPeak, John Shalikashvili ......

[Pryderi]

20. How about Colin Powell? You think he'd do it?

[Stinky The Clown]

22. Well, its possible. After all, he has a reputation that needs help

I have to wonder if this isn't why idiot son broke bread with Colin and Alma as Casa Powell last week. That visit was ........ uh ...... unusual to say the least. He limos over from Casa Bianco to their minimanse to have supper? And they get a photo op on the Powell's front stoop?

Strange shit .......

[phillysuse]

11. The 4 Star speaking truth to Power

There already is a 4 Star retired General speaking truth
to power - Ret General Wesley K Clark.
You may have missed his Democratic response to Bush last
Saturday.
It's available on www.securingamerica.com

And I hope others from the military come back from Iraq and
continue to speak out as so many of our veterans are doing.

[Stinky The Clown]

23. Clkark *might* be able to do it. But on the other hand

it would be waaaaaay too easy to paint it as a purely political hit job, what with him still having presidential aspirations.

Now .... if Clark could be the one who persuades a recent retiree ..... or even Colin Powell ..... to come forward and speak, that would be great on several fronts. It gets the story out there and Clark gets a HUGE boost to his presidential bid, if that's where he's going.

PS: I like Clark a lot too.

[coffeenap]

12. Powell should be the one--has all the info and was treated like and

turned into s**t. All for loyalty misplaced, military style.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. I'm not sure the chance for this is dead

Why was idiot son over the Colin and Wilma's for dinner the other evening? A little 'damage control' maybe?

Could some of his more honest fellow retirees coax the guy into coming clean?

Stranger things have happened.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

13. Drop some telephone lines on Hackworth's grave.

[anarchy1999]

17. We can only hope you are right. We've been reading it for months, only

time will tell.

[Lars39]

18. I'd like to think you're right, but there's been at least 2 major

purges of the top military brass. Pickins might be slim. :(

[Stinky The Clown]

28. It seems clear that the military top brass are being 'purged', but

the purgees have to be replaced. And who's there to replace them? Not all are in lock step. Military guys stay military guys by not being overt about their political thinking and political leanings. The more they're cowed by the civilian leadership, the more likely they are (from a purely human nature perspective, at least) to keep their views hidden, making it tough for the civilian leadership to know *who* to promote to fill the places of the purged.

Rinse and repeat .....

I think there will *always* be military officers who could have the potential to rat out shit from about.

And if you think about it, the recently purged would also be a source of insider knowledge. If needed, they could also get the guys who are still in, and who served directly below them, and who have current knowledge, to corroborate or add to anything the actual purgee might have to say.

The lid simply can NOT stay on tightly. There's just too many people who know for sure or who can make the potential case that some very bad shit went down knowingly and maliciously by the civilian leadership.

<on edit ..... pretty much this same case can be made for the potential of a leak from the purged CIA guys.)

[Lars39]

30. It's feels like we're sitting on a powder keg,

waiting for someone to turn. Let's hope you're right about it. :)

[Just Me]

25. I agree with your assessment.

Not sure how it will play out though. We'll just have to wait-n-see.

[Poiuyt]

29. Don't forget Karen Kwiatkowski

Air Force Lt Colonel, now retired, spoke a lot about her days at the Pentagon and how the neocons made her change intelligence reports

http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski-arch.html

[Stinky The Clown]

31. Oh yes, I DO remember her

But in many ways she's like Sibel Edmonds. A credible source. Excellent matters to speak to and bring before the public.

But also like Sibel Edmonds, a 'middler' ..... simply not high enough on the food chain to do it all on her own credentials.

We need a four star type to get the ball rolling. She and Edmonds, and (what was that woman's name from the FBI who is now running for congress?) and others who've spoken out. They're the chorus line waiting for the diva to take the stage.

Funny thing .... they're all women ...... that just dawned on me!

Who else would be part of this chorus line?